Shorner
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Is it the same flower? As if its different you'll get different results with taste and clouds even with the same strain it may vary depending on how dry etc it is.
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Tried changing the screen? I found even with an iso soak and clean the screens still needed replaced every so often.
scoobyzsnackz
New Member
Yeah I am using the exact same flower. It has been performing the same in my screwball.
I will give that a try. I did change it recently though and it looks pretty clean still.
I dont think it will be my batteries because I basically change the temp on my wand to heat till the click and adjust as the batteries die
kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
@scoobyzsnackz
Something similar happened to me with many butane vaporizers sometimes in the past. And, at least in my case, it has always been for cleaning in a hurry (let's say).
If you “squeeze” the load a lot, in the long run, that popcorn smell can stay in the vaporizer, it is not something exclusive to the tempest. (It is more noticeable when you accidentally combust with a butane vape).
To prevent it, I usually smell the vaporizer parts when I clean them (it sounds weird, yes
). If I notice that it still smells, I clean it again, I leave it in iso longer (or if I reuse iso to submerge it, then I use a sprayer with clean iso after the iso bath + hot water).
Let's say it's like the smell of tobacco on clothes, you need to remove it. I'm not saying that you clean badly or anything like that, but, is it possible that it's this? Does the condenser smell like popcorn after cleaning?
Maybe i’m just a maniac
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Did someone say “pls try it with the inductor”?
I dont use to like to do RTL. I didnt want to do RTL. But the inductor is hard to tame sometimes. I have to try it with less power…or more, I dont really know I should experiment more. But i can say the v2 is better with the inductor than the v1 (i think it is just because the thicker layer).
Blasted.
Something similar happened to me with many butane vaporizers sometimes in the past. And, at least in my case, it has always been for cleaning in a hurry (let's say).
If you “squeeze” the load a lot, in the long run, that popcorn smell can stay in the vaporizer, it is not something exclusive to the tempest. (It is more noticeable when you accidentally combust with a butane vape).
To prevent it, I usually smell the vaporizer parts when I clean them (it sounds weird, yes
). If I notice that it still smells, I clean it again, I leave it in iso longer (or if I reuse iso to submerge it, then I use a sprayer with clean iso after the iso bath + hot water).Let's say it's like the smell of tobacco on clothes, you need to remove it. I'm not saying that you clean badly or anything like that, but, is it possible that it's this? Does the condenser smell like popcorn after cleaning?
Maybe i’m just a maniac
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Did someone say “pls try it with the inductor”?
I dont use to like to do RTL. I didnt want to do RTL. But the inductor is hard to tame sometimes. I have to try it with less power…or more, I dont really know
I should experiment more. But i can say the v2 is better with the inductor than the v1 (i think it is just because the thicker layer).Blasted.
scoobyzsnackz
New Member
I will give thay a try cheers. I'll let it sit in ISO overnight and see how it is tomorrow@scoobyzsnackz
Something similar happened to me with many butane vaporizers sometimes in the past. And, at least in my case, it has always been for cleaning in a hurry (let's say).
If you “squeeze” the load a lot, in the long run, that popcorn smell can stay in the vaporizer, it is not something exclusive to the tempest. (It is more noticeable when you accidentally combust with a butane vape).
To prevent it, I usually smell the vaporizer parts when I clean them (it sounds weird, yes
Let's say it's like the smell of tobacco on clothes, you need to remove it. I'm not saying that you clean badly or anything like that, but, is it possible that it's this? Does the condenser smell like popcorn after cleaning?
Maybe i’m just a maniac
———
Did someone say “pls try it with the inductor”?
I dont use to like to do RTL. I didnt want to do RTL. But the inductor is hard to tame sometimes. I have to try it with less power…or more, I dont really know
Blasted.
kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
The important step is to smell the pieces (im the first place: the condenser-CU). If you notice the popcorn…then you know what to do…
HaggisHunter
Well-Known Member
Thanks very much, I was gonna start upping it a notch on each bowl this evening, but that's saved me some bud.
Working very well on that with a little fine tuning on the airports to be done.
ISO isn't actually that great at cleaning if it's really bad or gunked up in my experience, get one of those white 'magic sponges' used for cleaning, stuff that into the bowl after you've cleaned it with ISO, you'll be amazed at how much crap is still in it.
If mine ends up really gunked, or has a whiff that won't go away, it gets a quick scrub and clean in ISO to get the easy stuff off, then dunked and left in a jar of sugar soap, leave it in that for 30 mins, I can see the brown stuff floating about that's been lifted off the metalware when I go back to it....
Thin bottle brushes and those magic sponges or a cheap alternative, they'll bring it all back up to an amazing shine with sugar soap, or like mine, it shows up every single tiny scratch and mark....
Not related....
Spent more time with the 2 this evening, using low strength meds....
Starting to find a spot with the settings where I've reduced the irritation a bit when using the stem.
The head is open a crack, and the stem is open at the small notch, and a little of the bigger hole too. Brenyo suggested 340c° using the glass adapter, so I ran it till auto shut off, all of this worked really well.
Feeling happier about the stem now.
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General Disaster
Stationary momentum!
Agreed, ISO isn't a great solvent, being a polar solvent. Non-polar solvents like petroleum spirits work much better but are rather toxic. Iso is actually not very toxic at all! The best stuff to use is the 99% grade, as there's the least amount of water in it, water reduces the solubility. Also, using iso soaked into tissue or cotton buds (etc) works well for rubbing off more stubborn deposits that just soaking won't remove.
I wondered whether if the balls were dirty, the inside of the head may also need a better clean?
I wondered whether if the balls were dirty, the inside of the head may also need a better clean?
scoobyzsnackz
New Member
Yeah theres still a smell, not sute of that is from before the clean or from the vapes I tried after. I will give it another clean and try be more thorough this time.
Turns out there is some sugar soap around the house so I will let it soak in that as well after cleaning again cheers.Thanks very much, I was gonna start upping it a notch on each bowl this evening, but that's saved me some bud.
Working very well on that with a little fine tuning on the airports to be done.
ISO isn't actually that great at cleaning if it's really bad or gunked up in my experience, get one of those white 'magic sponges' used for cleaning, stuff that into the bowl after you've cleaned it with ISO, you'll be amazed at how much crap is still in it.
If mine ends up really gunked, or has a whiff that won't go away, it gets a quick scrub and clean in ISO to get the easy stuff off, then dunked and left in a jar of sugar soap, leave it in that for 30 mins, I can see the brown stuff floating about that's been lifted off the metalware when I go back to it....
Thin bottle brushes and those magic sponges or a cheap alternative, they'll bring it all back up to an amazing shine with sugar soap, or like mine, it shows up every single tiny scratch and mark....
Not related....
Spent more time with the 2 this evening, using low strength meds....
Starting to find a spot with the settings where I've reduced the irritation a bit when using the stem.
The head is open a crack, and the stem is open at the small notch, and a little of the bigger hole too. Brenyo suggested 340c° using the glass adapter, so I ran it till auto shut off, all of this worked really well.
Feeling happier about the stem now.
How would you recomend cleaning the head? Just scrubbing the inside with an iso soaked cotton bud?
General Disaster
Stationary momentum!
Exactly!
If it's already been soaked, then more soaking seems less likely to help. Because iso is non-polar the cannabinoids don't dissolve well into it. Also, inside the head is the hottest part where the cannabinoids may have degraded into more persistent organic matter (we used to call this TBS in the labs - Thick Black Shit), a similar effect to the coating on the balls but you can't burn it off so easily. So resorting to some gentle elbow grease helped along with some iso may be worth a try at least, you'll see immediately if you're are removing anything from the colouration on the bud or tissue.
@scoobyzsnackz, Extreme long shot here……. but check the depth of your wand adapter. Might be worthwhile to push the cup deep into the wand (as far in as it’ll go). My broscience theory being that less radiant heat hitting the herb before inhaling should be better for flavor. Just a guess though.
TedJones
Well-Known Member
Awesome vid and nice confirmation! More power and letting go around the first mark, then letting it climb and clicks has worked pretty well on my og. On the contrary, really low voltage is more like a torch, and I’ve let go at the first click with good results. RTL still possible either way thoughBut the inductor is hard to tame sometimes. I have to try it with less power…or more, I dont really know
HashOnMyMind
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Crazy rips~!@scoobyzsnackz
Something similar happened to me with many butane vaporizers sometimes in the past. And, at least in my case, it has always been for cleaning in a hurry (let's say).
If you “squeeze” the load a lot, in the long run, that popcorn smell can stay in the vaporizer, it is not something exclusive to the tempest. (It is more noticeable when you accidentally combust with a butane vape).
To prevent it, I usually smell the vaporizer parts when I clean them (it sounds weird, yes
Let's say it's like the smell of tobacco on clothes, you need to remove it. I'm not saying that you clean badly or anything like that, but, is it possible that it's this? Does the condenser smell like popcorn after cleaning?
Maybe i’m just a maniac
———
Did someone say “pls try it with the inductor”?
I dont use to like to do RTL. I didnt want to do RTL. But the inductor is hard to tame sometimes. I have to try it with less power…or more, I dont really know
Blasted.
Also from @RedZep keep em coming!
Was this just flower and full bowl i assume?
kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
Yeah, full bowl with just flower. I dont use to set it on full bowl…but everything for the show!
Be careful with the head, don't soak the visual indicator. And if you do, shake the iso out after taking it out and gently blow it with a hair dryer. Afaik that's what the mad heaters website recommends
Full bowl. I couldn't have done that hit on a simple glass WPA. No coughing at the end as it was cooled. But it was a lot of vapour.
I'm going to close airflow at the tip off 3/4 next time. It had stacks of airflow, so I think some could be sacrificed for thicker vapour.
Think Brenyo said EU next week somewhere on here...
I'm a UK preorder and mine hasnt shipped yet (have checked my emails 1000 times daily since I heard others' were shipping) I think he is working his way through UK list first cos its local(er)
FuckPyrolysis
Member
I read through the comments and don't believe I saw this recommended, but have you cleaned out the glass wand bowl? Mine can accumulate some yuck over time that requires a quick cleaning to eliminate. I can see how that would affect the flavor.
Fearless Disaster
Well-Known Member
when you take your wand out do you worry much about the wand adapter shifting around? i have been wanting to throw my tempest and wand in pockets and go for a walk but with my eyes if it shifts while out i'd probably have to wait until i'm home with light and magnification to get it positioned right again.It was a bit later than I wanted before I started using mine last night.
Out of curiosity what are folk running their wand settings at with the standard zirc?
I need to carry on using the glass adapter for the time being, I use mine out as much as I do at home, and the wand sits in one of two pockets, neither of which the wand fits with the new adapter (doh), and swapping these things all the time will get tiresome.
I'll probably swap over at some point when I figure something out for my pack, but not right now.
After a few bowls, I'm still tuning the head in, great results so far though, I think I will need to up the heat a little more, at 300° the bowl still isn't that dark, but it's producing big clouds - due to glass adapter maybe?
I'm well impressed with the head, I'm gonna need a night when the Mrs is out so I can properly play around with it, but I love it, on the smallest bowl it's absolutely ripping, and can't wait to start trying the bigger bowls, maybe that's a weekend thing though
Unfortunately I'm not getting on with the stem so far, hand feel is great, it's so comfortable to hold, also on the lips, it's absolutely great, weight and balance are superb.
But after two bowls my throat wasn't happy, it felt familiar to previous stems and left my throat dry, rough.
After swapping to an old revolve stem, the difference was night and day for me.
I'm not completely giving up on this stem, I need more time with it, like a proper night or two of trying various things so I'll see how it goes.
My issues with the stem are pretty specific, I have stomach problems that leave me with a raw and sensitive throat and vaping doesn't help it, it constantly irritates it, this is my issue, I guess for most people using this device, it won't be an issue, I mean it still does a hell of a job at cooling, or I wouldn't have gotten past one bowl...
And I still haven't done my usual stress test, I managed 4/5 bowls on the trot with the previous version before any irritation was enough to make me put it down.
To give folk an idea of how easy it is to really upset my throat, a single Dynavap bowl with an armoured cap and straight stem will basically render it raw and painful enough for me to not vape for a few hours....
Looking forward to more testing though
@General Disaster not sure, haven't tried it. But, if you anodise something, then dunk it in an etch, you can see the cycle of colours almost being stripped away.
So if you do green which is the last colour on the cycle, then dunk it in the etc, you'll see various colours appearing and disappearing.
It's quite cool.
HoodiesAndHondas
Active Member
I’ve soaked my V1 head in iso, fully assembled, and never had any issues. The visual indicator still worked fine after many iso soaks. I think the main thing is to let it fully dry before using.
Fearless Disaster
Well-Known Member
In case its a deep cleaning issue I wanted to share something I learned in the CC discord. They helped me get my first banger and shared cleaning strategies with me. The product is called Dark Crystal. It contains Non-chlorinated Water, Karanja oil, Processed Coconut Extract, Processed Kelp Extract, and Processed Extract of Sugar Cane. It needs some heat to work and can even be applied into a hot banger. I have a glass matrix bowl stem that i leave stacked on a mercury head and over time the reclaim just got baked on there so bad that soaking in iso and scraping with a cut coat hanger didn't dent it.
After cleaning my bangers i decided to give the stem a shot. i left it in a tiny slow cooker for maybe 30-60 min and it was spotless afterwards. I have heard of people putting it on the stove, i'd think just under simmering would work. I also used this method to clean out my glass wand adapter. i never knew it would get dirty and by the time i noticed it i couldn't get it clean with just iso. Some folks in the discord use it solely, some use iso and reserve the dark crystal for deep cleanings, which is what i am doing.
Anyway, if you want to rule out cleaning as a factor, especially if there are parts of the device that you have never cleaned, this would do it.
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Werbenjaegermanjensen
I was #1
I wanted to get some thoughts from folks who’ve had hands-on experience with both the Tempest v2) and a full-on big boy ball vape setup. I’ve never personally owned a desktop ball vape—mostly due to lifestyle reasons. I’m not really into having a permanent setup installed; it just doesn’t fit my day-to-day. I picked up a Tempest V1 a while back as a kind of middle ground, and honestly, it was a perfect fit for what I needed.
The V1 delivered rock solid performance and delicious flavors, I’d say it got me about 70% of the way to what I imagine a full ball vape experience offers.
Now with the Tempest V2 out, with bigger bowl and thermal matrix, I’m curious: for those of you who do own a proper ball vape, how does the Tempest V2 compare? Does it close the gap meaningfully? Does it break through that "good but not quite" ceiling?
The V1 delivered rock solid performance and delicious flavors, I’d say it got me about 70% of the way to what I imagine a full ball vape experience offers.
Now with the Tempest V2 out, with bigger bowl and thermal matrix, I’m curious: for those of you who do own a proper ball vape, how does the Tempest V2 compare? Does it close the gap meaningfully? Does it break through that "good but not quite" ceiling?
HaggisHunter
Well-Known Member
Nah it's never happened as yet. Maybe a case would be a shout for taking it around to give some extra security against it being moved when in a bag.
I have two identical rucksacks, one for being on a bike and one for wandering on foot.
The two pockets I'll put it in are neat and only just fit it, there might be a chance that something could knock the glass adapter, but mine feels really tight in place so it it would need to be a sizeable knock.
When it comes to filling the vape etc, I have loads of the old keyrings from the gen 1 reload that I use with the gen 2 reload, they're on each shoulder strap, the one on the right takes the reload when I'm about to use it, the left takes a spare lid that holds the cap while I fill/empty/refill etc. if I have more than one reload it looks like hand grenades hanging off me
Not gonna lie, I'd love a new keyring magnet that has a more secure connection to the reload lid, but I don't think many folk used them.
Shame, one of the best features of the reload for me, it makes using on the move an absolute doddle.