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Dynavap VapCap
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Cmdr. Redeye
Former Cylon sheriff
One thing I haven't seen addressed too much is degree of packing... One combo is a hard draw, still working on that. Stock M7 draws fine. Carbs or chiron inlets (!) vary but they should be about the same.
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hotmeals
Serial vapist
Yoo, I just tried a BallR/M7 bowl with the Wand, that was amazing. Just have to make sure the click disc isn't in the coil, same as a normal cap. Heats up pretty fast and you can give the bowl section a little preheat if you're not using an insert.
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It's largely personal preference for Dynavaps with the standard caps, but there is a too tight IMO. I think they can handle quite dense packs, but it's good to try to make sure the pack density is even throughout the bowl. I used to pack them pretty densely, and using the straw or press/dip/scoop techniques would sometimes lead to a density gradient when trying to pack more densely. What I used to do was roll a little broken up herb into an evenly dense Dynavap cylinder shape and then insert it into the bowl lol. You can get some dense packs that still have good airflow and vape super evenly that way. These days I just scoop it into the bowl and do a looser pack.
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Cmdr. Redeye
Former Cylon sheriff
Bonger x Ti bowl/tip x BallR works very well.... A good 18650 flashlight is a useful vapor-cloud density checker.
That tip was causing carb probs in both stems /XL mouthpieces. Unsure why.
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That tip was causing carb probs in both stems /XL mouthpieces. Unsure why. CR
WhyWhyWhy?
Active Member
It looks amazing! Is this a stainless steel Simrell collar?Having a good time with the Hyperdyn tip and cap. It really is what I keep reading: a bigger Dynavap experience.
Nebelmann
Well-Known Member
It is. Haven't used it without. Dark coffee roast with some seconds after the second click.
Grow Goddess
Just vaping
I am kind of new to DynaVap, here is my take. I am using the M7XL with the BallR Cap. For me, it is a complete game changer, and a daily use tool. However, I am not heating it like most people. I do not use a torch or an induction heater. I am using radiant heat from my ball vape rig. I made a stainless steel adapter and it works awesome!
I did open my cap, it was difficult the first time, but after it has been removed once, it is easy from there. I used the shank of a 25/64" drill bit, worked it back and forth until it popped off. I took out the metal balls and put in 2mm quartz beads. I did not like the way the quartz beads worked, most likely due to the way I am heating the unit. I put the metal balls back in.
Here are a couple of pictures of what I am working with. These images are shown with the M+, I have not tried that one yet.
Cmdr. Redeye
Former Cylon sheriff
Getting consistent good results with BallR, but with a broader yellow flame. My hands shake and that milimetric pinpoint aim line is optimistic.
That said, its heat curve is wonderful. I suppose it's convection/conduction but it's easy to work with. This particular cap clicks twice, usually.
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That said, its heat curve is wonderful. I suppose it's convection/conduction but it's easy to work with. This particular cap clicks twice, usually.
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Is there any benefit in buying a complete m7xl (some deals around at the moment) rather than M7 tip alone? This bearing in mind I have a revolve 2 and simrell stinger (+older m stem) that could be utilised with a tip.
What does the complete M7 XL bring to the party?
What does the complete M7 XL bring to the party?
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coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
The XL condenser setup is worth it. It's easier to handle, feels/looks great, slightly cooler vapor, and you can adjust the vapor/air ratio for richer or leaner vapor. I love the tip alone but I'm glad I have the whole XL. You can get most of that with the stinger/stem/M7 tip, but it will look better, probably. I guess it's a matter of taste mostly since you have the parts.Is there any benefit in buying a complete m7xl (some deals around at the moment) rather than M7 tip alone? This bearing in mind I have a revolve 2 and simrell stinger (+older m stem) that could be utilised with a tip.
What does the complete M7 XL bring to the party?
Thanks man. Seeing as I already ordered one prior to asking the question lol, that's good to read
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
Hope you enjoy it!Thanks man. Seeing as I already ordered one prior to asking the question lol, that's good to read
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
In retrospect probably should have gone M7 XL rather than plain M7. M7 works fine just maybe XL is easer to handle? no complaints though
SmokeyDope
Herbal Engineer
Thank you for sharing! Can you talk more about your ball vape heater rig setup? What are you using to heat the ball cap exactly? Ideal temp ranges?I am kind of new to DynaVap, here is my take. I am using the M7XL with the BallR Cap. For me, it is a complete game changer, and a daily use tool. However, I am not heating it like most people. I do not use a torch or an induction heater. I am using radiant heat from my ball vape rig. I made a stainless steel adapter and it works awesome!
I did open my cap, it was difficult the first time, but after it has been removed once, it is easy from there. I used the shank of a 25/64" drill bit, worked it back and forth until it popped off. I took out the metal balls and put in 2mm quartz beads. I did not like the way the quartz beads worked, most likely due to the way I am heating the unit. I put the metal balls back in.
Here are a couple of pictures of what I am working with. These images are shown with the M+, I have not tried that one yet.
The extra bit of length from mouthpiece does offer slightly better handling and the adjustable condenser is nice. I got a regular m+ and upgraded to xl after. Its a nice improvement but not an essential piece. Better to get the essential pieces first and know if you like the dynavap first, then spend $ on an optional accessory later.IMO. Theres still two days left on the 4/20$ sale if you want to pick up the xl mouthpiece for 20$.
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
i consistently have VAS all the time. So after i got my first Dynavap i am so inclined to be careful.
I kind of decided i could fall into the trap of buying this Dynavap or that one on eBay or what not. I could just randomly purchase other models but maybe not too different than what i have? I decided i better consult because what i am looking for are different "experiences" as Lee from table top bongs always seems to say. Do you think they would all qualify as "experiences"?
So i am thinking of trying to stay near 3 or 4. The idea would be :
- Wooden one (maybe a Woodwynd)
- Glass stem (i saw one on Sneaky Pete i liked)
- Stock one or maybe slightly modded.
- i think verdium looks cool
Or course these options above need not all be from Dynavap.
Who would you recommend if i went that way? Here's a chance to cure your VAS. Considering i only have the Std M7, what would you do ? and why?
SmokeyDope
Herbal Engineer
I feel you and know where you are coming from. Hope you don't mind a longer reply. TLDR: I like the H2 glass stem a hell of a lot and think its a fantastic upgrade that will offer you a different experience both with material and airflow.
So to rip the bandaid off there is no curing the vas. Theres always gonna be a new shiny part for your vaping stick that calls every once in a while. If you stick with this for years and years youll eventually get what you want out of your device part by part 20$ here 40$ there. Its okay to collect some drawer stuff even the inefficent purchases teach you something about what you want and why you really wanted it. In the moment it comes down to what budget allows and if that $ is better spent on bud or if the VAS is truly calling hard.
I got the steel m+ because it promised to be a forever device and I loved it so much except for one thing. I hate butane and torches man. One month of torching was enough. As soon as I heard about IH I was sold and wanted that as a first upgrade. Unfortunately the wand was not in budget at the time so I wired up a 15$ IH board off amazon to a 12v battery. My first purchase after m+ was the expensive but super worth it wand. It completely changes the heating experience compared to torch like game changer gets thrown around alot but not many things change the way you can heat a device while comepletely cutting out smelly butane fuel with all electric alternative. With an IH you can really precicely control the vapor by feathering on/off.
Then I got a little tired of the heat of m+ after long OHE back to back sesh. Metal is incredibly durable but heat conductive. Glass is a fantastic insulator that keeps your fingers cool. Its easy to clean, and is completely taste neutral however its also somewhat fragile. I eventually got the bb6 as the second stem and transfered over the m+ tip and cap. It was a nice sidegrade that filled in some of the wants that a metal dv doesnt. After smoking out of glass pipes for years its nice to come back to the material. The only complaint of bb6 is I dont like the little balls they get stuck together so easy it bothers me for some reason.
Then H2 glass stem came out and I fell in love. It pairs so nicely with IH for long terp chasing sessions. Watching the vapor swirl as a vortex in the middle of your piece is soooo cool and a great visual indicator of vapor production. The airflow is more on the restrictive side but thats part of the piece and probably why it was paired up with the airy helix tip. I made a pinner mouthpiece for it and have been rocking that glass daily ever since. The little glass dimple to protect against rolling as well as keep the hot tip away from table is nice too compared to bb6. I still occasionally switch over to the bb6 when I acidentally combust in the helix but otherwise its my daily stem for many months now. My only issue was that its tip holding section is just slightly too much tolerance so you need brand new o-rings even then some tips seem to fit better than others. the m+ tip works well but the m7 didn't. I need to still try m7 tip with fresh orings.
My final big dynavap purchase was the m7+XL rosium. I had fallen in love with the stock purple rosium pictures for over a year and it called to me last autumn. I don't know. The coloring is cool and I find the extra tip, cap, and mouthpiece very useful but it wasn't all that different from vaping from my m+xl. Dynavap conesseurs go on about the subtle differences of the tip and cap and stem body airport holes but honestly I cant tell much of a difference between a m+ and a m7 made from the same material. I don't want to say I regret it because rosium is a bitching color scheme and I got my own one of a kind, but I definitely won't be buying another M just for the cool coloring or slightly updated design anytime soon.
Finally, for wood. I got a arizer wood stem this week and spent some time getting the holes widened in it to fit a dynavap tip, cap, and xl mouthpiece. I held off on wood for a long time because im a lazy son of a bitch who hates maintenance or taking extra care of my tools. Wood is a wierd in-between material because its not quite as durable as metal, but not as fragile as glass. It will swell if its left in moisture and needs waxing semi-frequently to protect it. You can't just toss a wood stem in iso or vinegar and wash away the oil, you gotta baby it with gentle cotton swabs of iso when it gets dirty.
But I always heard the wood nerds go on about the 'earthy flavors'. How wood terps will subtly infuse into the herb for a unique taste experience. part of why I got the wood stem was to find out if this is true. And it is! You have to try it to understand but wood does totally have its own taste profile thats quite enjoyable. Plus the visuals and texture of wood is truly one-of-a-kind in a natural way. If thats an okay deal for you then try a woodywn sometime especially over another colored M.
I would heavily consider stuff that gives you a whole new heating experience or herb capacitance. Like a hyperdyn tip or aftermarket wise the anvil head and universal adapter, or the tempest head, or the ballr cap. You could try the all glass vaphit, or edtnt woodsence which is kind of like a dynavap meets a desktop vape heater core encased in a nice wood cup or a ball vape heater, something to change the way heat distributes through the flower or finetunes the airflow to your liking.
Ive never had a titanium tip, its been on the list for a while. I hear such praise about how it heats faster than steel and has better flavor but its hard to justify a 40-60$ purchase for them when a steel tip already does a good job compared to buying some good bud. If I were to get a whole nother DV at this point I might spring for the vong since the adjustable airflow with the spin thing is cool looking and its a chunky device which would be nice for my big hands the Ms are a little small. At the same time though the xl mouthpiece adjust airflow good enough. At that 150$ ish price range I might want to consider a whole new thing to try besides vapcaps.
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Grow Goddess
Just vaping
It is a 304 stainless steel 25mm bar, cut to about 1.25 inches, drilled out a hole in the center to accommodate the baller, set into a standard 25mm coil heater basket, the standard coil for ball vapes or oil bangers. The depth of the hole is set to where the head/bowl of the vape stays out of the hole so to speak. It was a big PITA drilling into 304 stainless, much more difficult than I thought it would be, working with regular garage tools.
I was already using these stainless heater cores with the regular DynaVap caps. They work good, but, with the regular caps I would heat it until the second click, then tune it in with a torch for about 3 seconds. Can't fully heat these it in the stainless past the clicks because then it would start to vape the weed, but there is not enough heat for a good vapor hit. This technique saves about 90% of the butane.
When they came out with the baller caps, I knew it would be a winner for me, because the bowl stays out of the hole, so I can leave it in longer than the second click. I can leave it in there pretty much as long as I want without an issue. I usually leave it in about 30 seconds to 90 seconds after the second click depending on the temperature I set the PID controller at. I have only been experimenting with the baller for 2 evenings. Just received it Friday.
As for temperatures, so far I am liking it set from around 630 - 650 F. I have tried many different temperatures which all offer different flavors and such. I can set the temperature to where you can take a nice tasty vapor hit, with no exhale.
I think this set up is working too good actually. Shockingly, I take a nice hit and I am clearing the bowl, one and done without coughing my ass off. Also, I am really loving this baller head because it is free flowing, like taking little puffs off a joint. No restrictions compared to regular caps.
Ball vapes are my favorite, if you haven't noticed from how my rig is set up. Really excited to purchase on of these new quartz ball vapes. Although, with the new success I have been having with my heater and baller head, I couldn't help it. I had to put that on the back burner and ordered me a DynaVap WoodWynd.
I enjoyed it so much last night, I didn't even use my bong or a ball vape. I was just spanking my M7XL and was fully content, which was a first for me since I got my first ball vape.
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
Epic post ! thank you . Arizer wood on a Dynavap? Luckily this vapeworld is nothing like car world where putting a Ford engine into a Chevy etc. will get you banished there. JK
I do want to explore IH sooner rather than later. The baby torch i got with the Dyna is fine but constantly sputtering. I guess i should try bleeding it first.
One other thought and that with the wood stem and i quickly jump to Ed's which has some nice stuff. Maybe a wood stem, but maybe tip like Anvil or there are a bunch of aficionados from one brand or another. Maybe another option to explore? i want to explore & I'll start small with some Vaphit and definitely a Vaponic as well. There are tons of others that are similar (I don't want of anyone to be considered too derivative) but like Vaporcane, and another that goes by multiple names most prominent Vapo-Thor. and most prominently (at least in US?) is TRWW with Terpcicles and derivatives (big fan).
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SmokeyDope
Herbal Engineer
Youre welcome glad to help! Hope you enjoying your 420.
Yes I like to take my pieces apart and put them back together as a true frankenstoner
! I try to spare the dynavap fourms unless its something worth talking about.I got the arizer wood stem for my portable air max. the wood stem comes with steel chamber and mesh screen compared to arizers glass pods with four little hole glass filters that make bad airflow. I first discovered that the xl mouthpiece fit in one side. From there one thing lead to another.
I'm not sure whether to add airport or not. Scared of permanently damaging it with a drill.
Thank you for the detailed response! I use my arizer EQs desktops as semi-ballvapes by throwing balls over the heater core and turning heat up to max. This inspired me to try it with my latest diy wood Dyna. Works well! Would like to try a real ball vape with pid sometime. NGL though the arizer desktops work well on my solar system they sip power very efficently not sure how a PID would be power wise.
Cmdr. Redeye
Former Cylon sheriff
Going to have to try this! My Arizer has been gathering dust. TX.Youre welcome glad to help! Hope you enjoying your 420.
Yes I like to take my pieces apart and put them back together as a true frankenstoner
I got the arizer wood stem for my portable air max. the wood stem comes with steel chamber and mesh screen compared to arizers glass pods with four little hole glass filters that make bad airflow. I first discovered that the xl mouthpiece fit in one side. From there one thing lead to another.
I'm not sure whether to add airport or not. Scared of permanently damaging it with a drill.
Thank you for the detailed response! I use my arizer EQs desktops as semi-ballvapes by throwing balls over the heater core and turning heat up to max. This inspired me to try it with my latest diy wood Dyna. Works well! Would like to try a real ball vape with pid sometime. NGL though the arizer desktops work well on my solar system they sip power very efficently not sure how a PID would be power wise.
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coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
It does have o-rings.
It's very different from the Fusion 2, it's almost the opposite. The Fusion 2 holds heat and has a slightly tighter draw, the WoodWynd is more open. The WoodWynd is very lightweight and sleek. The bowl does accept a lot of heat for a Ti tip and you get several hits per heating, but not as many as you'd get from the Fursion. Its light weight and open hit are the chief characteristics. It would compliment the Dani, I feel.
DF2 is awesome. The woodwynd is really great too.
SmokeyDope
Herbal Engineer
If you mean arizer desktop, I absolutely highly recommend it. DDave sells some really good aftermarket parts like the omega wand kits and adapters. I got my 4mm synthetic ruby heater balls from vgoodiez but ddave also sells them too. Combined together they completely change the experience. I put up a lot of pictures on the eq thread if you want to see more.
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
Hope you all are enjoying Spring!
