armin
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Pics of your setup and how that works?
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Pics of your setup and how that works?
lwien
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All I do is put in 0.05gr of medium ground bud, pack it down with the oil can and leave the oil can in the bowl without the lid. The glass oil can is sitting on top of the bud.
armin
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So
Thanks
so you put the herb in the spot the glass jar goes and then put the jar where it should go. So I assume it protrudes higher. How does the vapor pass through the glass? Does it deep by it. Or are you putting the herb in the glass?
Thanks
°k
The sound of vapor
Have you ever thought of packing your 0.05gr down the oil can and putting that one upside down and without the lid in the bowl?
I can't try at the moment but I'm thinking about being able to take the load out of the bowl "easily" between 2 sessions so that it stops cooking faster and thought it could work for you (if it works at all) seeing your vaping habits.
The bottom of the bowl is not flat, there is one side that has a little bit higher than the rest I'd about 1 mm'ish so a very small load could fit under the can without having it elevated.
lwien
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The herb goes in the bowl first and the glass can goes on top of the herb. The vapor doesn't pass through the glass, but around the edges.
No, never thought of that but it's an interesting idea.
No no. Much, much less.
RD
"Hawaii Home Grown"
So Iwien, are you getting the two day / 0.05 as you had hoped. Separate loads to prevent burning out all at once? (The conduction /convection discussion the other day) Can floating off bottom?
As I mentioned previously, I was one who was not sure this would meet your needs, but have been following to see what you come up with.
My home unit is an Extreme Q. Without going off topic too much, after being put away and not used for some time, I found FC, got the DDave f/f , and must say that the elbow pacs are the most efficient way of vaping I have tried yet. 0.025 no problem. With a SSV wand it has become a beast.
Might want to check out the thread.
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
Great!
I'd suggest filling the bowl with glass flowers. (More glass, less air)
I put a layer of flowers on the bottom. I honestly don't have an opinion here, other than that's what I started doing. Maybe it's better not doing that?
Again, dynamics most likely are different for a load that small, vs ones that are >2x. Experimentation is needed.
If you put the can in upside down, you are removing both the direct weight and direct thermal mass of the base of the bowl.
This Ryot case is perfect to hold the ascent and a couple of small boxes for stuff.
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They are a bit pricey, but pretty cool. Two of these boxes fit in the Ryot case perfectly with enough room left over for a gram or two of Hash.
I have one box holding my daisies and oil jars and the other box hold about 2 1/2 grams of ground flower.
They use magnets for closure and with the two of them stacked they act as a prfect stand to hold the Ascent while loading that kind of Latch to the magnet in the Ascent.
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lwien
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Didn't use separate loads. Just left the load in there with the can till the next day. No stirring, no reloading. And yeah, I did get two days worth of hits much like I do with my LSV with the same amount. Actually, I got more hits with the Ascent but what I didn't get was get two days of the same high that I get the LSV. On the second day with the Ascent, I got quite a few more hits but didn't feel them as much as I got with less hits from the LSV......if that makes any sense.
RD
"Hawaii Home Grown"
Ya that makes complete sense. Do you think it is possible to break in 1/2 and do two separate loads to get consistent results?
salivape
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@k0udek I don't actually have one yet. I'm so tempted. Had a stealth in my basket yesterday but couldn't quite convince myself to click the order button. I've already bought 3 vapes since May. Still gonna see how the next few weeks of reviews go then I might treat myself for Christmas.
It will at least taste great. I've never really had much luck vaping hash except pressed kief.
People have had success using cotton as a spacer with the ascent using herbs, not sure about hash but there's no reason it wont work.
It will at least taste great. I've never really had much luck vaping hash except pressed kief.
People have had success using cotton as a spacer with the ascent using herbs, not sure about hash but there's no reason it wont work.
cawshook
Solod out.
I've tried it in the other Da Vinci. It tastes amazing. Moroccan isnt really strong hash. Its mostly known as a great tasting product. Afghani hash on the other hand really is amazing for vaping in terms of effects. The only drawback is the taste IMO, I found it way too citrusy for my liking, but i bear the taste for the great high.
You should be fine putting the hash in the oil can in the Ascent. I recommend 207 celcius for Moroccan and 193 celcius for Afghani. Also remember hash heats up slower than weed. Dont worry if ur not immediately getting hits. Oh and do not pack the can too much. Keep it loose.
why not use the oil can without the lid? I dont have an Ascent, but it seems that it would be safer to vape hash their.
°k
The sound of vapor
Since the load would be packed inside the can (assuming it stays in it) the direct weight wouldn't be needed and hopefully the can wouldn't be lifted. Regarding the temperature, the glass can might convey some/enough heat? I know I said convey when it'd be more about conduction here apparently
, also I'll fully admit that all I know about vaping is that I know nothing about vaping, the ascent being my first vape.So granted, success is far from guaranteed but to quote someone who obviously likes Science:
Experimentation is needed.
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RD
"Hawaii Home Grown"
I love experimenting! Took out a dig. scale. Reads down to 0.04. got to 0.05, made a line. (Boy, that's been a long time.) Divided in two. Put 0.025 in, making sure not to have any on nub in bottom, put in my mod. jar, brought up to 375, was amazed to get 4-5 hits and another 2 at 385. Had to LOL when dumped out. Such a small amount. I tried my straw idea so I could see vape on way in as not seeing clouds on exhale. Seeing going in assures me my draw is correct after making any variation.
Pleasantly surprised and great for a mini session.
Conky
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Razor
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I'm talking to someone about re creating the oil jar. Making it thicker, putting holes in it and making the bottom concave as well. It'll hopefully act to make as a secondary heat pass for air before it hits herb. Instead of concave, I'm also thinking about just making the inside concave with glass thickness. The air would have to pass through a longer heated passageway before hitting herb. This would keep the glass flat on the outside still. Whichever is manageable to do.
Waiting to hear back. It should in theory by being thicker and also concave on the bottom, creating a smaller bowl, hold heat easier/longer maybe cutting down on heatups between draws and also possibly aiding battery life during higher temps and also make lower temps doable. Been playin around with different stuff just because I'm bored.
I have tons of oil jars and I don't use oil. Would be awesome to have them pre packed with holes ready just to be stuffed inside and the old taken out. It would shave a ton of time reloading.
The holes on the jar would also be slightly smaller than the ascent bowl holes so they don't lose herb while packed. You could keep like 10 pre loads, take five seconds to dump the old, take off the new cap after you put it in, put cap on old, toke up. I need a patent! lol
If anyone uses this idea for monetary gain, all I request is a large house in the place of my choosing OR......... a baby bear.
Waiting to hear back. It should in theory by being thicker and also concave on the bottom, creating a smaller bowl, hold heat easier/longer maybe cutting down on heatups between draws and also possibly aiding battery life during higher temps and also make lower temps doable. Been playin around with different stuff just because I'm bored.
I have tons of oil jars and I don't use oil. Would be awesome to have them pre packed with holes ready just to be stuffed inside and the old taken out. It would shave a ton of time reloading.
The holes on the jar would also be slightly smaller than the ascent bowl holes so they don't lose herb while packed. You could keep like 10 pre loads, take five seconds to dump the old, take off the new cap after you put it in, put cap on old, toke up. I need a patent! lol
If anyone uses this idea for monetary gain, all I request is a large house in the place of my choosing OR......... a baby bear.
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RD
"Hawaii Home Grown"
So are you actually having a two way conversation with someone in development at DV? That would be very encouraging.
The idea isn't exactly new. We have all been pleading via this thread, that the Ascent needs some form of spacer. Everything from glass sombreros with holes, to just drilling two holes in the existing jar, which I have done with great success. Good taste, and even burn when sandwiched between bottom of bowl and bottom of jar. Lousy taste and burn when in jar, sitting on nub off bottom.
Sorry your patent has been refused.
Razor
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No. I'm talking to someone that can make glass crap. Sorry, did not mean to get your hopes up
The glass jars would require a new learning curve as heat is being retained more efficiently however I do not see where flavor would be affected since it is only adding glass. Also, yes I've been reading and playing around with those ideas with everyone
well, ill report back if I can get one made. Nothing else to do while waiting for my replacement.
If anyone would like to guess as to some improvements they could think of?
So far we have possible benefits
Better heat retention
Extremely quicker reload times
Longer battery life
Smaller load size
These are possibles I can think of the top of my head. Possible negatives.... may burn easier... may stay hotter longer, glass would be hot on reload times, requiring some kind of heat proof container or pouch.
The glass jars would require a new learning curve as heat is being retained more efficiently however I do not see where flavor would be affected since it is only adding glass. Also, yes I've been reading and playing around with those ideas with everyone
well, ill report back if I can get one made. Nothing else to do while waiting for my replacement.
If anyone would like to guess as to some improvements they could think of?
So far we have possible benefits
Better heat retention
Extremely quicker reload times
Longer battery life
Smaller load size
These are possibles I can think of the top of my head. Possible negatives.... may burn easier... may stay hotter longer, glass would be hot on reload times, requiring some kind of heat proof container or pouch.
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armin
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So reading through all these pages and trying to keep thinghs straight. Is there any chance of getting clarification on the following regarding the newer models that people are receiving. Thanks!!
1) Is the issue of off gassing solved to everyone's satisfaction?
2) To be able to vape successfully, you have to use either a full bowl or be creative with spacers/flowers to use small amounts?
3) What is happening in the videos that show vapor leaking out the bottom grill between hits? Is that actual vapor leaking out? I would be concerned about both losing the stealth aspect and losing product.
4) Are there more issues that are still prevalent amung the newer models?
Thanks again for all the info on this thread. it's hard to keep up! ;-)
1) Is the issue of off gassing solved to everyone's satisfaction?
2) To be able to vape successfully, you have to use either a full bowl or be creative with spacers/flowers to use small amounts?
3) What is happening in the videos that show vapor leaking out the bottom grill between hits? Is that actual vapor leaking out? I would be concerned about both losing the stealth aspect and losing product.
4) Are there more issues that are still prevalent amung the newer models?
Thanks again for all the info on this thread. it's hard to keep up! ;-)
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
There is a lot to read between the 360+ pages between all of the Ascent threads, but everything you question has been addressed in the last few weeks.
1. The silicone is going through addition curing in the factory. Like concrete, silicone has a progression of curing. (BTW: Medical grade silicone.) A few people have reported some visible curing on initial arrival, but for those that saw it, it ceased after a few cycles. IIRC, one person's unit didn't stop and the consensus was to RMA it for a new unit.
2. The bowl is big for some people. (I am one of those. A lot of us are.) But it is always possible to reduce a large bowl. It is nigh on impossible to take a small bowl, and make it larger. Use of glass has been shown to increase the efficiency of the load, especially in smaller size. This grants one a lot of flexibility in term of amount of product (and the people one shares with).
3. Thermal expansion is always a factor. This combines with a chimney effect, and can cause some loss, but that loss in negligible in contrast to the evacuation that is product of draw. Of course, raising oven to temp and not drawing will increase the minor loss from this. If one leaves the oven baking, it will do just that. However, from previous measurements, there is both an increased time between bowl and load being to temp, and a thermal recovery period after draw. So for normal use, not a concern.
4. I'll let others chime in here, but most of the issues seem to be "one-off" from errors and not systemic problems.
One normally has a hypothesis to test before just randomly collecting data. But I gave this a shot. (despite it being counter to existing theory)
An inverted bowl does indeed produce extraction.
But the extra small load is a strange bird. This might have worked better with a larger load, but the extraction was not as prolific with an inverted bowl, nor was the ABV to an expected color. The inverted bowl seems, as was speculated, to lose the benefit of the normal (non-inverted) bowl and lose a large degree of efficiency.
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armin
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Thanks. By curing, do you mean burning off the manufacturers oil and grease used in shipping... Like curing a wok before you use it. Not seasoning but burning off Toluca chemicals often used in shipping new products?
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
No. I meant curing as in concrete. That's specifically why I say concrete.
It's not secondary "oil and grease used in shipping" (Wait... exactly *HOW* do you ship things? When I walk into the FedEx office all oiled up, they always ask me immediately to leave. Or, in all fairness, maybe that has more do with not wearing pants...). It is a product of the silicone and its production. Just like concrete cures as a product of its fabrication.
