Multi-brand Xmax V3Pro vaporizer, convection, on-demand&session.

[vandalizedbythelotus]

quick question: is it normal for it to be so restricted? it's pretty much dynavap level of airflow restriction.

so far my sessions require a lot of work to get decent vapor production going, it's like i'm getting lightheaded from the effort rather than the flower...

 

[GymWolf]

quick question: is it normal for it to be so restricted? it's pretty much dynavap level of airflow restriction.

so far my sessions require a lot of work to get decent vapor production going, it's like i'm getting lightheaded from the effort rather than the flower...

Maybe some residue built up inside the ceramic vapor path or in the screens?

Maybe you packed too tight? Try to gently pack and do slow, long ass draws.

Many people in the reviews i watched said that the airflow is in the middle, so not too restricted, but i'm still waiting for mine to arrive so i can't be sure of that.

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

Maybe some residue built up inside the ceramic vapor path or in the screens?

Maybe you packed too tight? Try to gently pack and do slow, long ass draws.

Many people in the reviews i watched said that the airflow is in the middle, so not too restricted, but i'm still waiting fo mine to arrive so i can't be sure of that.

it's a new clean unit, tried very loose packing, even half oven. vapor production is decent.
but the restriction seems to be from the heater, it's there even with the empty bowl and MP off. slightly more restricted than say a VonG, comparable with a 19M.
for me it's too restricted for long comfortable direct to lung draws.
trying to ascertain if it's normal or a RMA issue.

 

[GymWolf]

it's a new clean unit, tried very loose packing, even half oven. vapor production is decent.
but the restriction seems to be from the heater, it's there even with the empty bowl and MP off. slightly more restricted than say a VonG, comparable with a 19M.
for me it's too restricted for long comfortable direct to lung draws.
trying to ascertain if it's normal or a RMA issue.

Well then i don't have anything helpful in mind to say, maybe wait for other opinions from people who actually possess the device.

 

[vapviking]

Thanks Les, but how is that possible? Doesn't the ss oven retain some heat from the hot air passing throught?!

I mean i'm very happy if true since this is always my main doubt with on demand vapes but it's just surprising that a relatively cheap device achieved this result.

Yes, there's some residual heat, but as Les said, if you power-off before end of draw, you cool down the chamber a lot, so minimal, if any, production.
So, yes, with this vape you can do one or two hits now and come back later to finish.

quick question: is it normal for it to be so restricted? it's pretty much dynavap level of airflow restriction.

so far my sessions require a lot of work to get decent vapor production going, it's like i'm getting lightheaded from the effort rather than the flower...

Some of the convection vapes actually introduce some draw restriction so that fast moving air does not compete with the heat.
Don't pack tight, that increases resistance.
I know people are using finer screens and doubling-up screens, etc, but I have not done any of that, I use the stock ones, but I rarely use stock mp because I feel the air is more open with the wpa and a j-hook. Or you've got that nice purple stem...

As has been said, the draw technique has some learning curve. Drawing longer is better than drawing harder, in general. And the first draw often involves more time to get the herb dryer, warmer, etc, ready to kick in (less cloudage but maybe tasty terps). Once you feel production kicking in (toward end of draw), use your discretion to know whether you want to draw harder or not.

Here's a very broad generalization, for illustration; "~2/3 of the vapor from a given hit is produced in the last 1/3 of the draw-time". *I just made that up, I'm sure others will have some input about it.

Personal preference, I've been leaving it temp set on 205C, and use session mode all the time, whether going for one-two hits or full term 6 min. (more usual, for me). By habit, I do always shut off before end of (the last) hit, to clear residuals from condensing in chamber or vapor path and to cool the unit.

 

[Zipford]

quick question: is it normal for it to be so restricted? it's pretty much dynavap level of airflow restriction.

so far my sessions require a lot of work to get decent vapor production going, it's like i'm getting lightheaded from the effort rather than the flower...

I have only used the glass mouthpiece, but I don't find the airflow restricted, in fact I find it almost too open so I cover/uncover some of the holes in the body to reduce the airflow somewhat. It acts like a carb that way, which I like. It seems that most vapes I've used need at least a little time to start producing vapor as you draw, and covering the holes to reduce how much fresh air is being pulled in seems to help shorten that time and give better hits.

I also use this vape with dosing capsules, and still don't find the draw tight at all. So you may have an issue.

In terms of residual heat baking the flower, I have never noticed an issue like that. With all of my vapes, I usually finish a load in two sessions. The first 2-3 hits taste fairly good, and flavor drops off after that but effects can still be obtained. That's been true across the board. Is it possible that if I removed the flower immediately after the first session and cooled it, that I might get more effects in round two? Maybe, but I tend to doubt it would make a noticeable difference.

 

[pakalolo]

Maybe, but I tend to doubt it would make a noticeable difference.

Exactly. There are far too many variables involved, so you can't isolate the cause of any difference even if you do notice it.

As for draw restriction, I'm baffled. I find that the airflow is not restricted enough, and I made a video to demonstrate that.

 

[GymWolf]

I have a couple of questions:

Do i have to charge the battery for some time before the first use or i can just use the xmax if the battery has some charge in it? (Not exactly an expert on battery stuff).

Is a 6 min session at max temp enough as a burn in to erase all the residue? Or the device doesn't even need that?

Is this the type of vaporizer that can combust if you force his hands at max temp or is it like an arizer solo where you know that the weed is done because the device doesn't produce vapor anymore? (I suspect the latter but just to be sure)

Is the vapor harshness/quality/quantity better/on par with an healty rips fierce or arizer solo/air?

Thanks.

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

to be clear: is it normal for the airflow to be as restricted as a dynavap 19m/vong? this is without MP or extra mesh screens.

 

[Zipford]

I have a couple of questions:

Do i have to charge the battery for some time before the first use or i can just use the xmax if the battery has some charge in it? (Not exactly an expert on battery stuff).

Is a 6 min session at max temp enough as a burn in to erase all the residue? Or the device doesn't even need that?

Is this the type of vaporizer that can combust if you force his hands at max temp or is it like an arizer solo where you know that the weed is done because the device doesn't produce vapor anymore? (I suspect the latter but just to be sure)

Is the vapor harshness/quality/quantity better/on par with an healty rips fierce or arizer solo/air?

Thanks.

I don't think you need to charge the battery before first using if it has charge -- unlike earlier rechargeables, currently battery technology is pretty forgiving.

I don't think I even did a burnoff with mine, but if you wanted to, I would think 6 minutes at max temp is enough. In terms of cleaning a brand new vape, I tend to look and smell the device I receive, and then do whatever cleaning I think is warranted. I don't think every vape needs cleaning before first use, but lots of other people seem to think they do. I'd say do whatever makes you comfortable that it is clean.

I don't think it will combust at high temps, at least mine has never seemed close. I use it with dosing capsules, which absorb some heat, but I don't think I've seen anyone else complain of combustion.

In terms of harshness, it seems similar to the HR Fury Edge -- the higher the temp, the harsher it gets (I use it native, not through water). I think the taste (again with the glass mouthpiece) is better than the Edge. Vapor quantity I would say is probably about the same -- I used both with dosing capsules. The reason I bought the XMAX V3 was the taste, I found the taste of the Edge dropped off over time, taking on the burnt popcorn taste of later hits, which I would then taste with a fresh load. I suspect the silicone takes on that smell, and it is hard to get out (in fairness, those pieces can be easily replaced and HR recommends that after 6 months). The V3 has little if any silicone in the vapor path with the glass mouthpiece, I think there is just a small piece that hold the stem in place, but the vapor shouldn't really touch that.

Again, in fairness to the Edge, I used that device quite a bit, whereas the V3 was not used much before the Tinymight pushed both out of rotation. So over time, it too may have taken on a smell too.


vandalizedbythelotus: I don't have a dynavap, but almost everyone I've seen thinks the airflow is just right or too open, very few people think it is too restricted. Which is to say either you perceive draw differently than most, or you may have an issue with your unit.

 

[LesPlenty]

but how is that possible?

It does not get that hot due to the short time required to get to vapor and pulling on it after you stop heating to help dissipate any heat that did build up.

is it normal for it to be so restricted?

Only if you pack the oven...sprinkle fill and scape off any extra to leave room for the mouthpiece seal to get into the oven.

to be clear: is it normal for the airflow to be as restricted as a dynavap 19m?

I have an 18M and a few other Dynavaps, this is easier to pull on if you pack it right.
I had one unit with all but the top line of holes covered to restrict airflow for a few weeks. I found I would always grab the unrestricted unit so the holes are now uncovered again and I occasionally feather the holes with my fingers for something different...

Do i have to charge the battery for some time before the first use

You may as well, it does not take long to top up...as soon as it stops flashing it will be right to go.
I would do a burn-off at max temp at least for 1x6 min sesh.

Is this the type of vaporizer that can combust

It might get close to charring if you had good enough lungs to keep pulling hard enough for long enough but that would happen way after getting to any popcorn taste...2x6 min at max temp with continual pulling on a very light load...or if you restrict the air inlets and keep on sucking...maybe?

 

[GymWolf]

I don't think you need to charge the battery before first using if it has charge -- unlike earlier rechargeables, currently battery technology is pretty forgiving.

I don't think I even did a burnoff with mine, but if you wanted to, I would think 6 minutes at max temp is enough. In terms of cleaning a brand new vape, I tend to look and smell the device I receive, and then do whatever cleaning I think is warranted. I don't think every vape needs cleaning before first use, but lots of other people seem to think they do. I'd say do whatever makes you comfortable that it is clean.

I don't think it will combust at high temps, at least mine has never seemed close. I use it with dosing capsules, which absorb some heat, but I don't think I've seen anyone else complain of combustion.

In terms of harshness, it seems similar to the HR Fury Edge -- the higher the temp, the harsher it gets (I use it native, not through water). I think the taste (again with the glass mouthpiece) is better than the Edge. Vapor quantity I would say is probably about the same -- I used both with dosing capsules. The reason I bought the XMAX V3 was the taste, I found the taste of the Edge dropped off over time, taking on the burnt popcorn taste of later hits, which I would then taste with a fresh load. I suspect the silicone takes on that smell, and it is hard to get out (in fairness, those pieces can be easily replaced and HR recommends that after 6 months). The V3 has little if any silicone in the vapor path with the glass mouthpiece, I think there is just a small piece that hold the stem in place, but the vapor shouldn't really touch that.

Again, in fairness to the Edge, I used that device quite a bit, whereas the V3 was not used much before the Tinymight pushed both out of rotation. So over time, it too may have taken on a smell too.


vandalizedbythelotus: I don't have a dynavap, but almost everyone I've seen thinks the airflow is just right or too open, very few people think it is too restricted.

Thanks, taste is probably the last thing i care of in a vaporizer, but if this thing rips as good as a fierce in on demand mode then i'm in for a treat, that thing was a beast of a vapor producer

Never tried any other healty rips vaporizer but i guess that the one you listed can't be much worse or different.

It does not get that hot due to the short time required to get to vapor and pulling on it after you stop heating to help dissipate any heat that did build up.

Only if you pack the oven...sprinkle fill and scape off any extra to leave room for the mouthpiece seal to get into the oven.

I have an 18M and a few other Dynavaps, this is easier to pull on if you pack it right.
I had one unit with all but the top line of holes covered to restrict airflow for a few weeks. I found I would always grab the unrestricted unit so the holes are now uncovered again and I occasionally feather the holes with my fingers for something different...

You may as well, it does not take long to top up...as soon as it stops flashing it will be right to go.
I would do a burn-off at max temp at least for 1x6 min sesh.

It might get close to charring if you had good enough lungs to keep pulling hard enough for long enough but that would happen way after getting to any popcorn taste...2x6 min at max temp with continual pulling on a very light load...or if you restrict the air inlets and keep on sucking...maybe?

I'm only gonna use this thing in on demand mode so 2-3 consecutive hits at worst every time i pick it up and i always pack a full bowl, especially with such a tiny bowl.

I usually like to start at 170°celsius and work my way up 5-10 degrees at time until i reach max temp, i never start at max temp because oppositely to many people here, i like to have the biggest number of hits out of my weed even if it means slower extraction and effects, i really dislike consuming my weed in a couple of hits because it's stupidly pricey here where i live and i want to prolong the experience as much as i can.

 

[LesPlenty]

Thanks, taste is probably the last thing i care of in a vaporizer

Then straight to max temp and have at it!

I'm only gonna use this thing in on demand mode so 2-3 consecutive hits at best every time i pick it up and i always pack a full bowl, especially with such a tiny bowl.

Just do not 'pack' the bowl as it will restrict airflow and you need airflow to make this vape work unless you want to experiment with playing the flute or restricting intake holes via other methods.

 

[GymWolf]

Then straight to max temp and have at it!

Just do not 'pack' the bowl as it will restrict airflow and you need airflow to make this vape work unless you want to experiment with playing the flute or restricting intake holes via other methods.

I never start at max temp, i get there after a while, except rare cases.

Yeah after many convection vaporizer i know how to pack the bowl, thanks anyway.

 

[Shit Snacks]

My question is, how much does the herb cook while in on demand mode when you stop inhaling? They say it is pure convection but we all knnow that if the ss bowl retain some hottness your herb still cooks a bit even if the cooling is fast.

The point of on-demand mode, with pure convection, is that there is no vaping unless you are inhaling the hot air through the herbs to create the vapor... there can be some radiant heat, or conduction with certain setups that become more hybrid, but that is not really the case here, when using on demand, as it was said, press the button let it heat up take your hit, let go of the button and keep inhaling to clear the heat. When you use it this way, there is zero cooking of the herb, just because the middle oven is still a little hot, doesn't mean anything, it is not at all hot enough to actually vape the herb, only the hot air is (if you are using it in session mode, arguably there could be a bit more radiant conduction that can happen)

Thanks Les, but how is that possible? Doesn't the ss oven retain some heat from the hot air passing throught?!

As I said above, no it does not retain much heat, hot to the touch maybe, but not enough to vape the weed, and this is why you power off and keep inhaling to clear out the heat.

I mean i'm very happy if true since this is always my main doubt with on demand vapes but it's just surprising that a relatively cheap device achieved this result

What on demand vapes are you thinking of? As I said pretty much all pure convection on demand works this way, so I'm not sure why you are so doubtful? Not exactly on topic for this thread I suppose!

I have a couple of questions:

Do i have to charge the battery for some time before the first use or i can just use the xmax if the battery has some charge in it? (Not exactly an expert on battery stuff).

Yes you have to charge it, batteries typically come brand new never charged up, it's possible it may come with a bit of charge started off, but when you have a new battery you are supposed to charge it fully before first use, maybe even a little extra, if you do not it could hurt the overall longevity of the battery life or the cell itself... You will see some different opinions on this, but I never ever use a brand new device battery right away without charging, although here the batteries are so easy to swap anyway!

Is a 6 min session at max temp enough as a burn in to erase all the residue? Or the device doesn't even need that?

If you read through the thread you'll see most of us require or burn off, I used an entire battery to burn mine in, but it's not erasing residue... It's burning off factory smells that may have leached from the packaging or other materials, the actual clean any potential manufacturing residue, like machine oils, you should damp iso qtip swab the chamber, rinse the mouthpiece and take it apart on the inside to do so. This is up to you, but I find flavor is a bit tainted fresh out of the box before you do all this...

Is this the type of vaporizer that can combust if you force his hands at max temp or is it like an arizer solo where you know that the weed is done because the device doesn't produce vapor anymore? (I suspect the latter but just to be sure)

The digital temp control limitation of 428F makes it pretty impossible to combust here, I think if you pack hard enough, covering the air holes, inhaling a certain way, you probably could get it too scorch, black, but I don't think it would smoke up turning to ash ever unless there was a defect... Depending how you use it, if you are not covering the air holes, you will probably get later extraction, there could be a bit more technique involved than something like Solo.

Is the vapor harshness/quality/quantity better/on par with an healty rips fierce or arizer solo/air?

Thanks.

Perhaps similar, I don't know, my fierce is an early one, and it has terrible vapor quality imo the flavor is always tainted, but my roommate is using it now and doesn't mind it... I find solo air can be a bit harsher with more conduction, compared to healthy rips, but I think this XMax has better vapor quality than healthy rips, like my fury edge also does not taste so good to me... I'm not saying v3pro is anywhere near top-tier flavor, but the vapor quality is much better than similar budget vapes in my experience. The standard mouthpiece also is pretty effective at managing vapor harshness, more so than the stock mouthpieces from arizer or HR...

I'm only gonna use this thing in on demand mode so 2-3 consecutive hits at worst every time i pick it up and i always pack a full bowl, especially with such a tiny bowl.

When you pack full, just need to be careful you're not packing too much, or too tightly, a nice consistent medium grind is best, you don't want to go too fine or to coarse probably... I don't know if I would take more than 12 hits from a bowl here, so for mini sessions from your one bowl perhaps?

I usually like to start at 170°celsius and work my way up 5-10 degrees at time until i reach max temp, i never start at max temp because oppositely to many people here, i like to have the biggest number of hits out of my weed even if it means slower extraction and effects, i really dislike consuming my weed in a couple of hits because it's stupidly pricey here where i live and i want to prolong the experience as much as i can.

I'm not sure why you say it is opposite to many people here, sure there are some people who like to take one hitter extraction bowls, I do those sometimes with some vapes, but there are many of us who also really enjoy temp stepping the way you describe, I do that most of the time especially with portables dry... Part of this is to milk the great flavor on low temps with pure vapor paths, but also I enjoy the effects this way, I often don't take the temp that high at the end, but just for a final hit or two... Anyway this vape can definitely help you get the most out of your bud efficiently, although I might recommend temp stepping a bit more than just 5 or 10° if you are taking 2 to 3 hits at each setting.

I never start at max temp, i get there after a while, except rare cases.

Yeah after many convection vaporizer i know how to pack the bowl, thanks anyway.

What are some of the other convection vaporizers you've used? Not every convection vape is the same

 

[GymWolf]

The point of on-demand mode, with pure convection, is that there is no vaping unless you are inhaling the hot air through the herbs to create the vapor... there can be some radiant heat, or conduction with certain setups that become more hybrid, but that is not really the case here, when using on demand, as it was said, press the button let it heat up take your hit, let go of the button and keep inhaling to clear the heat. When you use it this way, there is zero cooking of the herb, just because the middle oven is still a little hot, doesn't mean anything, it is not at all hot enough to actually vape the herb, only the hot air is (if you are using it in session mode, arguably there could be a bit more radiant conduction that can happen)



As I said above, no it does not retain much heat, hot to the touch maybe, but not enough to vape the weed, and this is why you power off and keep inhaling to clear out the heat.



What on demand vapes are you thinking of? As I said pretty much all pure convection on demand works this way, so I'm not sure why you are so doubtful? Not exactly on topic for this thread I suppose!



Yes you have to charge it, batteries typically come brand new never charged up, it's possible it may come with a bit of charge started off, but when you have a new battery you are supposed to charge it fully before first use, maybe even a little extra, if you do not it could hurt the overall longevity of the battery life or the cell itself... You will see some different opinions on this, but I never ever use a brand new device battery right away without charging, although here the batteries are so easy to swap anyway!



If you read through the thread you'll see most of us require or burn off, I used an entire battery to burn mine in, but it's not erasing residue... It's burning off factory smells that may have leached from the packaging or other materials, the actual clean any potential manufacturing residue, like machine oils, you should damp iso qtip swab the chamber, rinse the mouthpiece and take it apart on the inside to do so. This is up to you, but I find flavor is a bit tainted fresh out of the box before you do all this...



The digital temp control limitation of 428F makes it pretty impossible to combust here, I think if you pack hard enough, covering the air holes, inhaling a certain way, you probably could get it too scorch, black, but I don't think it would smoke up turning to ash ever unless there was a defect... Depending how you use it, if you are not covering the air holes, you will probably get later extraction, there could be a bit more technique involved than something like Solo.



Perhaps similar, I don't know, my fierce is an early one, and it has terrible vapor quality imo the flavor is always tainted, but my roommate is using it now and doesn't mind it... I find solo air can be a bit harsher with more conduction, compared to healthy rips, but I think this XMax has better vapor quality than healthy rips, like my fury edge also does not taste so good to me... I'm not saying v3pro is anywhere near top-tier flavor, but the vapor quality is much better than similar budget vapes in my experience. The standard mouthpiece also is pretty effective at managing vapor harshness, more so than the stock mouthpieces from arizer or HR...



When you pack full, just need to be careful you're not packing too much, or too tightly, a nice consistent medium grind is best, you don't want to go too fine or to coarse probably... I don't know if I would take more than 12 hits from a bowl here, so for mini sessions from your one bowl perhaps?



I'm not sure why you say it is opposite to many people here, sure there are some people who like to take one hitter extraction bowls, I do those sometimes with some vapes, but there are many of us who also really enjoy temp stepping the way you describe, I do that most of the time especially with portables dry... Part of this is to milk the great flavor on low temps with pure vapor paths, but also I enjoy the effects this way, I often don't take the temp that high at the end, but just for a final hit or two... Anyway this vape can definitely help you get the most out of your bud efficiently, although I might recommend temp stepping a bit more than just 5 or 10° if you are taking 2 to 3 hits at each setting.



What are some of the other convection vaporizers you've used? Not every convection vape is the same

Thanks for the answers.

I had many convection vaporizers or like 3/4 convection and 1/4 conduction like the solo, the air, the inhalater xp, the arizer iq, the fierce and i'm forgetting something for sure and almost any of them kinda lose some vapor even if i don't hit directly but they were all session type vapes so that can partially explain the leaks, also some reviews i saw for the xmax v3 (sneakypete being one of them) said that there is small part of conduction and that's why i asked, from my brief research my conclusion was that it's pretty fudging hard to get perfect convection with zero conduction because the oven always retain some hotness from the hot air that pass throught the weed, especially in session type vapes where the oven never really has time to cool down if you do repeated hits and the heater never stop working.
Also like i said, in all of them it was never a good idea to pack tight, i always had restricted airflow and uneven roasting.

The only on demand vape i had was a pricey and super techy grasshopper (so a bit of a step up in class from the xmax3 in theory) but since the device was hot af during the use, i'm not sure if even that one had some small leaks tbh, but probably not, the problem was the harsh vapor, small bowl, a body hotter than a super model and the laughable battery life, other than that it was THE perfect device for my needs, it was basically an electric joint.

For your other question, i don't know man, usually reviewers and many people in here consider a vaporizer efficent when they are powerfull and can finish a bowl in a couple of hits, the mighty or the tiny might are usually considered the top session and on demand portable vaporizer because they are fast with their extraction, like i bought a mighty when i was in amsterdam but that thing exhausted my weed in less than half the time of my solo or inhalater xp so i returned the mighty to the shop and never looked back.
I clearly remember reading the topic for the fierce in here and watching the reviews on yt ( i think troy was one of them) and a lot of people was talking about how the mighty had way better extraction and efficency because the fierce needed way more hits to finish a bowl, it was one of the reason why i bought that thing and he was in fact a powerhouse of a vapor producer in terms of number of hits achievable.

The irony is that i consider the volcano from the same brand the most efficent vape i ever tried, i was able to get like 11-12 ballons with 1 gram of weed starting from 160° C and stepping 5 degree each time until max temp (and it was the old analogic volcano, not even the newest version), i'm on the edge of buying that thing since that day

But listen man, mine was just my thoughts on the argument, like you said many people enjoy long sessions like me, it probably just happened that i read a majority of opposite opinions during my research, i'm sure that everything you say is absolutely truth, i have my fair knowledge about vaporizers but i'm basically an ignorant illiterate bum compared to some of you

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thanks for the answers.

I had many convection vaporizers or like 3/4 convection and 1/4 conduction like the solo, the air, the inhalater xp, the arizer iq, the fierce and i'm forgetting something for sure and almost any of them kinda lose some vapor even if i don't hit directly but they were all session type vapes so that can partially explain the leaks

So the Arizer Vapes, arguably, are more conduction hybrid, certainly not 3/4 convection, they do not have the power, limited watts cannot keep up with your draw for convection and the slow heat up... IQ? is DaVinci and pure conduction session, oh EQ, the plug-in desktop, yeah that is a very limited way to experience convection, in my experience it just doesn't have the power... Fierce is true hybrid convection conduction, and inhalator was supposed to be pretty pure convection with those capsules I guess session style, never tried that one so I can't say for sure though!

also some reviews i saw for the xmax v3 (sneakypete being one of them) said that there is small part of conduction and that's why i asked, from my brief research my conclusion was that it's pretty fudging hard to get perfect convection with zero conduction because the oven always retain some hotness from the hot air that pass throught the weed, especially in session type vapes where the oven never really has time to cool down if you do repeated hits and the heater never stop working.

Yeah so that is the case when using session style, you're going to get a tiny bit of conduction, but if you are using on demand convection with this vape, you can have zero conduction, the heat of the middle bowl really is negligible, and I think that is why I may be some people here struggle to get the same vapor they can get in say healthy rips vape because of the added manual technique involved with more pure convection in my experience... Trust me there are pure convection on demand vapes that have zero conduction really, like glass stem-based in particular, portables and plugins, most of them are just not mass produced and are more artisan made style, some fully analog, even without electronics...

Also like i said, in all of them it was never a good idea to pack tight, i always had restricted airflow and uneven roasting.

Yeah you don't want to restrict the airflow too much, more fine grind tighter pack works best for pure conduction, there is some convection situations where you can do it well too, but yeah this isn't one of them.

The only on demand vape i had was a pricey and super techy grasshopper (so a bit of a step up in class from the xmax3 in theory) but since the device was hot af during the use, i'm not sure if even that one had some small leaks tbh, but probably not, the problem was the harsh vapor, small bowl, a body hotter than a super model and the laughable battery life, other than that it was THE perfect device for my needs, it was basically an electric joint.

Yeah GH is another special case really, pure convection on demand, but with the small metal body and heat depending how you use it, there could be a fair amount of conduction as well... Agreed though it is basically unusable stock style, they ruined the device trying to make it tiny and a pen, aside from the hot harsh vapor, the mouthpiece burns you haha, the clicker is a terrible power button for an on-demand vape especially if you're trying to be stealth and quiet, the bowl is tedious to load, empty and keep clean... Add to that the battery life and terrible customer service, the convenience aspects and performance benefits are totally ruined lol although to be fair I have a working fine IO now and plug in GH as well, I hardly ever use them, and I am enjoying the xmax v3pro much more actually! You are right in theory, it feels like a step down superficially from the GH in many ways, but the practical performance makes it surprisingly superior imo

For your other question, i don't know man, usually reviewers and many people in here consider a vaporizer efficent when they are powerfull and can finish a bowl in a couple of hits, the mighty or the tiny might are usually considered the top session and on demand portable vaporizer because they are fast with their extraction, like i bought a mighty when i was in amsterdam but that thing exhausted my weed in less than half the time of my solo or inhalater xp so i returned the mighty to the shop and never looked back.
I clearly remember reading the topic for the fierce in here and watching the reviews on yt ( i think troy was one of them) and a lot of people was talking about how the mighty had way better extraction and efficency because the fierce needed way more hits to finish a bowl, it was one of the reason why i bought that thing and he was in fact a powerhouse of a vapor producer in terms of number of hits achievable.

The irony is that i consider the volcano from the same brand the most efficent vape i ever tried, i was able to get like 11-12 ballons with 1 gram of weed starting from 160° C and stepping 5 degree each time until max temp (and it was the old analogic volcano, not even the newest version), i'm on the edge of buying that thing since that day

But listen man, mine was just my thoughts on the argument, like you said many people enjoy long sessions like me, it probably just happened that i read a majority of opposite opinions during my research, i'm sure that everything you say is absolutely truth, i have my fair knowledge about vaporizers but i'm basically an ignorant illiterate bum compared to some of you

So I don't put so much stock into those mainstream reviews personally, yes that is a feature that many people want, and it can demonstrate the power... Personally what I love about the TM though is the full temp dial, I start as low as possible, and the pure materials with the glass stems, milking bowls... Sure I can turn it up and do one hitters through water as well, so really it is the versatility that I value! The power helps make everything else better, you don't need to use all of it, but you want it, along with the heater itself and other design elements, you will see there is a lot more to it really vape to vape... Mighty is not my style because of all the limitations compared to the TM, slow session hybrid large not versatile, it can have slow extraction although not like on demand style control... Fierce is plenty capable, there are really a lot of ways to use these things, for slow or fast extractions, certain vapes are just not as versatile (the non hybrid session conduction primarily) Also oftentimes a session feature on a pure convection vape really just means it is like holding down the button for you, auto fire, sure there are ways to build up conduction, but a good pure convection vape is only really heating when you inhale the hot air through the herbs, and it is possible, they are not all hybrids like the ones we've been discussing mostly now here (a bit off topic too... Sorry!)

Anyway yeah you can't compare to a volcano really either I guess, pure convection in a sense, but with an air pump and gigantic bowl into a bag, truly its own thing imo but some of the modern pure convection portables I described, are almost like a handheld volcano hit for hit, getting the most out of a tiny bit of weed, which I guess you can do with the volcano, though I never tried it that way lol honestly I would never pay the amount of money they go for, I'd take one for a couple hundred maybe or for free, it just doesn't have practical use for me, compared to the other vape I enjoy, especially the plugin and portable units that are top-tier pure convection (like TM, TP80, RBT, VapBong, Cloud Connoisseur) still very unique, the style and function, reputation of course...

Haha yeah the more time you spend here you will see there are every type of user, and every type of product really, the industry has come a long long way and most of it is still very far under the radar! Everything here is an opinion too, founded in factual experience, so the more research you do the more you take it all in, you can become an expert in vapes you never try haha you will get there my friend, I think this xmax v3pro will be a good next step in your vapor journey

 

[GymWolf]

Thanks for the explanation.
Yeah i was talking about the arizer EQ, not the IQ (i do have a davinci ascent and a couple of other conduction vapes that i never use in my arsenal tho).

I also have another small battery related question, can you name a few models of top tier\top performing "safe to put close to my face under the hot sicilian sun" batteries for this device that i can easily find on amazon or vapeshops in europe?!
( a link would be much appreciated if it's not to much disturb)
Are the sony vtc6 3000mah good enough?

Also i heard people saying that it is extremely easy to peel off the pretection film from the battery when you remove them from the device and looking at the device and being pretty ignorant when it comes to 18650 batteries, my question is...HOW?

Do i really have to take some chill pills before opening the gate of hell that is removing batteries from this device with my admittedly kinda clumsy giant hands?

(well in the end they were 2 questions)

 

[Shit Snacks]

I also have another small battery related question, can you name a few models of top tier\top performing "safe to put close to my face under the hot sicilian sun" batteries for this device that i can easily find on amazon or vapeshops in europe?!
( a link would be much appreciated if it's not to much disturb)
Are the sony vtc6 3000mah good enough?

Good batteries: Samsung 25R and LG HE4 or HG2, Sony VTC are fine though they usually cost more, Molicell P26A are very good though they may have thicker wrapping as my to the Samsung... Always best to buy from 18650batterystore.com or imr.com or illumn.com or liionwholesale.com there are some other options, as long as it is flat top 15-20A cell it should be fine but those are common used good ones. You also want to get a good external battery charger, like a two bay digital nitecore or xtar...

Also i heard people saying that it is extremely easy to peel off the pretection film from the battery when you remove them from the device and looking at the device and being pretty ignorant when it comes to 18650 batteries, my question is...HOW?

Yeah you want to be careful when you put the battery in, so there is a button switch in the battery chamber, I am always careful to put the battery in perfectly level, and press up on that part first, so it can go in smooth, I also try to be careful when I pull it out, but as long as the battery wrapping isn't too thick it should be okay... It does have a ribbon to help you pull them out, you just want to be careful, most battery wrapping should be durable enough, but yeah may need to take caution with thicker wrapped batteries so I like to use the LG HE4 in mine for now so far (I haven't even tried stock batteries that come with it yet lol) Oh if you are going to carry spare batteries, make sure they are in an airtight case btw there are threads here about battery safety, it is not as scary as it might seem, just need to be mindful!

 

[GymWolf]

Good batteries: Samsung 25R and LG HE4 or HG2, Sony VTC are fine though they usually cost more, Molicell P26A are very good though they may have thicker wrapping as my to the Samsung... Always best to buy from 18650batterystore.com or imr.com or illumn.com or liionwholesale.com there are some other options, as long as it is flat top 15-20A cell it should be fine but those are common used good ones. You also want to get a good external battery charger, like a two bay digital nitecore or xtar...



Yeah you want to be careful when you put the battery in, so there is a button switch in the battery chamber, I am always careful to put the battery in perfectly level, and press up on that part first, so it can go in smooth, I also try to be careful when I pull it out, but as long as the battery wrapping isn't too thick it should be okay... It does have a ribbon to help you pull them out, you just want to be careful, most battery wrapping should be durable enough, but yeah may need to take caution with thicker wrapped batteries so I like to use the LG HE4 in mine for now so far (I haven't even tried stock batteries that come with it yet lol) Oh if you are going to carry spare batteries, make sure they are in an airtight case btw there are threads here about battery safety, it is not as scary as it might seem, just need to be mindful!

Thanks, are those sites european? or do you know a trusted european site?

In my ignorance i thought that having thicker protection was better against accidental peeling but i guess it's more a matter of dimension and how do you put it in tight spaces (as in many things in life)

Sorry but you are gonna have to live with my slightly vulgar not fully developed vocabulary and my lame jokes dude
(if mods don't get tired of my antics)

P.s. i have a nitecore i4, is it good enough?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thanks, are those sites european? or do you know a trusted european site?

Sorry, I have no idea, not being European myself, you're going to have to check each one. There are other threads here, with resources for European members, I'd suggest skimming around?

In my ignorance i thought that having thicker protection was better against accidental peeling but i guess it's more a matter of dimension and how do you put it in tight spaces (as in many things in life)

Haha yeah that is not the case here, thicker wrapping would be worse, the thinner wrapping is not less durable, it is just more versatile.

Sorry but you are gonna have to live with my slightly vulgar not fully developed vocabulary and my lame jokes dude
(if mods don't get tired of my antics)

All good dude, happy to have you here (I think) LOL

 

[Beam84]

Thanks, are those sites european? or do you know a trusted european site?

nkon.nl is a trusted 18650 seller.
Never buy batteries on amazon there are a lot of counterfeit cells.

Molicel INR18650-P26A, Molicel INR18650-P28A or Sony / Murata US18650VTC5A are recommanded.

 

[boon]

Thanks, are those sites european? or do you know a trusted european site?

In my ignorance i thought that having thicker protection was better against accidental peeling but i guess it's more a matter of dimension and how do you put it in tight spaces (as in many things in life)

Sorry but you are gonna have to live with my slightly vulgar not fully developed vocabulary and my lame jokes dude
(if mods don't get tired of my antics)

P.s. i have a nitecore i4, is it good enough?

Molicel INR18650-P26A 2600mAh - 35A - Piles rechargeables | NKON

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www.nkon.nl

 

[GymWolf]

Molicel INR18650-P26A 2600mAh - 35A - Piles rechargeables | NKON

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www.nkon.nl

I was literally browsing this site when i saw your link

 

[666Honeybadger]

I used mainly dry in 4x6min sessions:

1. 150 Celsius
2. 170
3. 190
4. 210

Last one sometimes a bit shorter. 7-8 smooth and easy inhalations of ~25 sec. per temp step (except the final). I fill the bowl real easy by resting my herb ripper mini on the rim and scooping weed out with the mp tool in my other hand. I fill the chamber to the brim and I pack it medium tight. AVB pretty even dark brown.

What exactly do you mean when you say and describe you mainly use in '4x6min sessions'? When reading it it sounded to me that you are using the same herb for 4 heating cycles? From the same bowl? Or did i read it wrong?
I'm trying here, but i can't, for the love of a godlike being, i just can't, get my head around it...