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Vaporizing, Bronchitis, and Asthma

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by aero18, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    He's talking about what you cant see.
    The internals.

    Generally its not desired to have hot air running over any electronics and whatnot, and the EQ is supposed to have some of that.
  2. Nycdeisel

    Nycdeisel Well-Known Member

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    That is the vapor path. the air path and the vapor path are very different.
    The air path DOES go through the electronics.
  3. ponyexpressway

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    Ok I looked through a lot of threads about asthma and vaping and I still have a question that I could not locate.. I have read that smoking pot should be the same for someone with asthma as vaping in the sense that it is so anti-inflammatory that it basically counteracts the actual inflammatory effects of the smoke. What are your thoughts on this. My breathing and well rhinitis is so bad it has caused my asthma. I can not go near perfumes without getting severe breathing problems etc. especially cigarette smoke. I guess I ask this just because I like how portable smoking is... thanks! :):\
    oh and bongs are something i was curious about too since it is being filtered through water.. .thank you!
  4. sektr

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    I've had severe asthma since I was born, been smoking/vaping for 5-6 years now, never had an asthma attack induced by smoking, EVER. Not even with blunts (although I tend to avoid them now just for safety in the long run).

    The smoke can do some long term lung damage but it's been proven that your lung capacity is barely affected by weed smoke, a very small percentage is lost.
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  5. ponyexpressway

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    thanks for your post! Im sorry to hear that... do you then find using the vaporizer to help your asthma a lot. Do you have rhinitis also? I don't think I have ever had a problem either with the vaporizer but smoking I am hesitant.
  6. Vape N Bake

    Vape N Bake Disturbed

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    I've had sever asthma for about 20 years. I started using a vaporizer 4 months ago and for me it has really helped in keeping my lungs dry. I was using my fast acting inhaler all day and night. Now I use it about once a day. If my lungs feel a little heavy I can vape a load and breath clear again. I couldn't do that when I was smoking. Asthma is different for everyone. You will have to test this for yourself.
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  7. ponyexpressway

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    thanks!

    Thats great to hear...well not great to hear you have had asthma for 20 years...

    how often do you find you need to tape then to keep the inhaler use down. Id love to get off my inhalers as I am on flovent and advair... thanks! oh and are you partial to indica or sativa..
  8. Vape N Bake

    Vape N Bake Disturbed

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    I only vape in the evening except weekends at least 3 times a day. I prefer hybrids. (Best of both worlds). Like I said it's different for everyone . What works for me may not work for you. Good luck!
  9. Keegan

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    I have had asthma since I was a small child and smoking/vaping I don't feel has hurt my lungs. Vaping is definitely the healthier of the 2 but occasionally I like a good joint. There have been times where I've been a little wheezy and after I've smoke/vaped it definitely opened up my lungs. In my personal experience I still have to take the advair but it has definitely cut down on my use of a fast acting inhaler.
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  10. Vape N Bake

    Vape N Bake Disturbed

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    My asthma is still doing so much better. I am now able to do 30 minutes on an elliptical without using my inhaler. I started using Micro Plant Powder from Hempusa.org about the same time I started vaping. I didn't know at the time that people with asthma claimed it really helped with their breathing. I actually bought it for my wife to help her with a autoimmune disease she has. I now believe that switching to vaping and using this powder was a key combination for me. Take a look at food grade "diatomaceous earth".
  11. Poochka

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    if i take 2 whiffs of secondhand cigarette smoke i need some ventolin. if i vape MJ deeply there isn't any congestion or tightness in the chest. be in the hospital if i smoked a cigarette like that.
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  12. AdmiralAlpacha

    AdmiralAlpacha Well-Known Member

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    I have several lung disorders including asthma, and about 19% lung capacity. Vaping is no problem for me.
    :2c:

    I have never smoked however to compare
  13. bigtvapes

    bigtvapes Well-Known Member

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    There's a direct link between inhaled smoke (even cannabis) and bronchocontriction. There's a ton of science behind it out there, so a quick google search will give you the bare-bones information. Google Scholar some studies if you're a good reader. I know the health effects of smoking are controversial but I personally think it is based on the thing's I've seen, read, and studied. I'm not judging anyone because I do plenty of things that are bad for me. It's fun. But smoking is bad for you. Vaping, on the other hand, is different. I'm not aware of a ton of peer-reviewed studies involving vaporized cannabis. But I know that different vapes do different things, and that there is some data supporting the idea that at certain temperatures, vaporized cannabus may have a bornchodilatory effect.

    So basically, smoking generally causes your small airways in your lungs to get even smaller and more easily irritated. Vaping - not quite sure but some people claim it actually makes the airways a little larger - having almost the opposite effect on the lungs that smoking does.

    You ask my opinion? If you have asthma, ingest your medicine. Leave your lungs out of it but that's just my two cents.
  14. Yoshi

    Yoshi Woah

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    ^No.

    If you've ever heard of Granny's list, look it up! I'll give a couple of links on asthma from her list. :D

    And it seems as if these studies were conducted with smoking as the way of ingesting.

    Acute effects of smoked marijuana and oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol on specific
    airway conductance in asthmatic subjects (full - 1974)
    http://www.ukcia.org/research/SmokedAndOralInAsthmatic.php

    Cannabinoid CB(2) receptor activation prevents bronchoconstriction and airway oedema in a model of gastro-oesophageal reflux. (abst - 2007)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17643417

    Beneficial effects of cannabinoids (CB) in a murine model of allergen-induced airway inflammation: Role of CB(1)/CB(2) receptors. (abst - 2010)
    http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/21056512/abstract/Beneficial_effects_of_cannabin oids__CB__in_a_murine_model_of_allergen_induced_airway_inflammation:_Role_of_CB_1_/CB_2__receptors_

    The Role of Cannabinoids In Inflammatory Modulation of Allergic Respiratory Disorders, Inflammatory Pain and Ischemic Stroke. (abst 2012)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22420307
  15. Rido

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    regardless of the affects of cannibinoids there are plenty of studies that link people that take in small air particles consistently such as coal, silicon, and hay to causing COPD.
    I dont know the studies of THC and the effects on the lungs but I am speaking for the smoke itself
    The smoke itself can be detrimental to the lungs, not the marijuana itself. over a period of time it can cause COPD and will eventually lead to emphysema.

    Vaporization can indirectly help people. I dont know the studies of thc on the lungs but I do know that using a vaporizer PROPERLY, the person will maximize their lung volume to pull in the vapor deeper. Doing so is actually healthy for your lungs to keep it at maximum volume.
  16. Yoshi

    Yoshi Woah

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    Right here buddy :science:

    Byssinosis, Chronic Bronchitis, and Ventilatory Capacities in Workers Exposed to Soft Hemp Dust (full - 1968)
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1008770&tool=pmcentrez

    Effects of Marijuana Smoking on Pulmonary Function and Respiratory Complications: A Systematic Review (full - 2007)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720277/?tool=pmcentrez
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  17. bigtvapes

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    This man makes sense. I am trying to tell you smoking anything is bad, even marijuana, sorry about Grandmas's studies but science has ccome a long way since 1974. SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU. even herb. If you have asthma you just are not doing the things you should be doing since you live with COPD. Period, bottom line, end of story. Any doctor worth his weight in salt is going to tell you that because they've worked in hospitals and seen it.

    First off, let me preface all of this by saying I'm discussing purely marijuana SMOKE and it's effect on the RESPIRATORY SYSTEM. I've never seen anythign convincing me fully that marijuana is bad for you psychologically if use in moderation and things like that. I'm just saying that based on what I've read and seen, smoking it is unhealthy. ESPECIALLY FOR AN ASTHMA PATIENT.


    Yoshi, most of the studies you show are specifically discussing the effects of MARIJUANA and not the SMOKE. The SMOKE is the problem. Since you like studies from the 60s and 70s, here's one from the late 80s at least that was a pretty gone one:

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198802113180603

    Another one from the 90s:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc1002405/

    And one from much more recently that suggests perhaps light use is actually beneficial if anything, but just a little too much and the pulmonary effects became negative fairly quickly:
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848

    Here's two more post 2010 to look at:
    http://www.expert-reviews.com/doi/abs/10.1586/ers.10.87?journalCode=ers
    http://www.expert-reviews.com/doi/pdf/10.1586/ers.11.40

    That's just population studies, I left out specific case studies because I felt they were irrelevant to the conversation at hand. And that's 5 whole minutes of searching google scholar, lol. Give me a week and I could provide pages and pages of peer reviewed population and case studies illustrating negative effects of marijuana smoke and the effects it has on your airways. I mean I'm not saying "its all bad no benefit at all!" As I've said before, some studies suggest that in small doses it's a bronchodilator, which would theoretically help you. But we can aerosolize respiratory medicines that work so much better and faster that using a small amount of marijuana to bronchodilate is ineffective considering the outside health risks.

    Use common sense, people. It produces thick, sticky, nasty tar in any bowl you've ever smoked. You really think this isn't affecting your internal airways (which as they get down to the areas that matter, get microscopic in size)?

    In the end, do what you want. You wanna smoke away, go ahead. Roll the dice, maybe you'll be fine. I mean I'm not condemning anyone. I've smoked before. I eat cheeseburgers and drink beer too. I'm no pillar of health. If you ask me what I think about smoking it specifically, especially for an asthma patient, hell I can't recommend smoking at all in any capacity. I'm not asking anyone to believe one side or the other, but just looking at it objective it's fairly easy to see here that it's an unnecessary risk at the very least. Vaping MAYBE, but even then I wouldn't use any drug that my physician hadn't recommended or prescribed to me if I had an illness as serious as asthma. The reason you go to a real doctor and you don't just treat yourself with WebMD and pot forums is because your doctor knows YOU and YOUR illness better than anyone on here or elsewhere could. Just talk your doctor he'll shoot ya straight. Don't listen to anything anyone has to say about healthcare on the internet ever.
  18. KeepItLit

    KeepItLit Active Member

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    i have asthma and i try to only vape. I also use my bong, and smoke joints. But I do tend to lay off blunts tho. they just feel bad on my lungs while smoking it
  19. Mishakal

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    Personally I avoid water filtration unless I know the person who owns the piece cleans it well, and only do glass. This is after a bad experience with a fungal lung infection that started after I used a friend's not-so-clean water filtration device... it was plastic. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I was out of work for a month and ended up losing a job.... had to have a bronchoscopy to identify just what the heck had gotten in my lungs. Moist air is a great way to introduce the fungus among us.
  20. OO

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    as to the OP, the world is full of gray, not black or white.
    the thread title can lead people to the idea that we live in a polarized plane of existence, but that is not true. there are benefits and drawbacks to most everything.
    Sounds like immunodeficiency to me.
  21. Hammock Guru

    Hammock Guru Well-Known Member

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    I know this thread is a bit dated, but recently I've had an old problem return, and I would like some feedback/comments based on your own personal experience.
    When I was young I was pretty much a pulmonary cripple; couldn't play sports or run around too much. Something happened when I was in my late teens and suddenly I was asthma free. Life became very, very different. The asthma stopped about the time I started smoking pot regularly. Nice coincidence there. I was able to run...and run marathons, bicycle across continents, and really have a great life.
    Just as suddenly (I am now 60) I have been hit with asthma again. For the past couple of weeks I cannot climb a flight of stairs without being breathless with my heart pounding. For more than 10 days I have had Ventolin in my pocket.
    Now. I have been purely vaping for more than 5 years. For more than a week I have avoided it as I felt like my lungs were hyper-reactive to everything! When I vaped last night I had a sense of immediate relief, but it was short lived--maybe 30 minutes.
    My work is both intellectually and emotionally demanding/challenging. I can function quite well with just a bit of a buzz, but if I have to pull a vape-hit q 15 minutes, then I can't work. On the other hand...Ventolin tends last longer...sometimes many hours, but repeated use makes me irritable and my patience with employees (and family) seems to disappear.
    Does any of this sound familiar to any other Old Farts out there?
    HG
  22. lost nebula

    lost nebula Always Vaping

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    I seem to have a different experience than most here. I have some lung scarring and decreased capacity and I find smoking is actually easier on my lungs than vaping. I always find myself reaching for my inhaler after vaping, particularly on higher temperatures.

    Whereas smoking feels much less irritating on my lungs. It doesn't help my lungs at all but it doesn't seem to bring an attack on the same way. I am looking into water filtration to see if it helps.
  23. Enchantre

    Enchantre A short, pithy statement

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    Is it possible that the asthma return might be due to an environmental allergen?

    I have almost unnoticeable asthma, until I am exposed to bird dander. Then, I'm seriously seeking ephendren...
  24. Ox45

    Ox45 Well-Known Member

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    I have asthma and allergies. It definitely contributes to my post nasal drip, so I quit smoking years ago. The volcano vaporizer was horrible for allergies but not sure why.
  25. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    Drier air really can irritate the lungs.

    I expect there will be simple solutions offered someday.

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