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Vaping and Memory Loss

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Aphex Twin, Nov 28, 2016.

  1. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    If it doesn't go into storage at the short term stage, there is nothing to keep in long term memory.
     
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  2. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    Incorrect.

    I was once tested in this subject, well, I was shown a big detailed drawing, then I was asked to draw it.
    I couldn't draw shit...
    We continued on... then, 25 minutes later, I was asked again to draw (I didn't know I was going to be asked again), this time I remembered and drew much more details.
     
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  3. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    If it was not stored first in Short Term and Working memory, it is not going into Long Term Memory.
     
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  4. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    It is not black and white, like I said.
    My short term memory is not good, it doesn't mean I cant intercept everything and my long term memory is very very good.

    There is a reason why I was tested for that and why my results proved something, it takes the mind a while to intercept...

    Yet when vaping/drinking and etc, you don't remember anything, because your short term memory is affected x10 times, therefore it would be much harder.
     
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  5. panasonic

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    I can also say that anecdotally, green tea eliminates the foggy haze as well.

    High theanine, low caffeine tea is unfortunately difficult to come by -- the ratio is probably closer to 1.7:1 (caffeine:theanine) for high grade gyokuro, closer to 3:1 for low grade bancha

    Subjectively, I find the relationship between caffeine and theanine to be a lot like the relationship between THC and CBD, so maybe something is going on there.
     
  6. MoltenTiger

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    Yeah green tea is nice, but subtle. Capsules of L-theanine (200mg?), caffeine (60mg) with taurine and vitamin C to flesh it out is a lot less subtle. Having two capsules is stronger yet again.
    Mixing with R-Modafinil will drastically change memory function too, though a racemic mix seems stronger yet again. Modafinil is very interesting stuff, and it mixed with vaping is quite enjoyable.

    Agmatine sulfate is another interesting compound to utilise, it can negate cannabinoid, and basically any drugs tolerance build up, boosts REM sleep and a plethora of other underexplored interactions.

    These are all generally considered safe, even at doses much larger than needed too, but like anything will effect everyone slightly differently, so it may not be suitable, but the chances are in our favour.

    There's also Alpha Brain and a bunch of nootropics research and concoctions at www.onnit.com which I have been meaning to look into
     
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  7. panasonic

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    I happen to enjoy tea as much or more than smoking, so no big deal for me. but for others interested, are there any brands of theanine that routinely post third party lab HPLC results?
     
  8. NizzyJones

    NizzyJones Well-Known Member

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    Can also get L-theanine in tea (esp. green tea). (Edit: Opps, didn't see that next page)
     
  9. Striped121

    Striped121 Active Member

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    My memory has improved greatly since i stopped combusting. No more groggy mornings either, even after a vape!
     
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  10. ilsasta

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    I noticed the same issue when having heavy sessions, but I believe that is due to the fact that when I'm completely baked, my mind starts tripping, no matter what I'm watching, making me unable to focus on what's on TV.
    Also noticed that a while ago I've been vaping VERY low quality buds, and that was fucki** my memory and attention up.
    I am now having heavy session only on days off, trying to microdose and vape at very low temps (165-170C) during working days. It is helping me to re-stabilise my balance. ;)
     
  11. jonjon

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    Keep in mind the daily mail is a tabloid. I don't know how true this particular article is, but regardless the daily mail should not be used as a trustworthy source IMO. It's a lot like linking to the National Enquirer.

    For example:

    http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyp...things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/
     
  12. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I am very familiar with Dr Amen and his work... I think the article is credible. I also think I need to cut back! :cry:
     
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  13. OldOyler

    OldOyler Fire it again. I can still find the ground.

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    Peace all!

    Well I consider this a fair enough comparison. I *do* get more memory loss vaping shatter for instance than flowers, even with the same amount of starting material.

    I make my own. Same flowers I am vaping, or eating in a capsule as earrl, etc.

    Swiss cheese memory if I do *just* wax in my Yocan Torch, which is mid-range temps I suppose 500F-ish, throughout the day.

    I get *somewhat* less memory loss if using my dual-quartz coil Full Metal Hitter on a VV pen - so sub-400F I think.

    By noon on heavy concentrate vaping days I just call it swiss cheese brain. No unattended projects allowed. :D

    And I vape slow - a nice little barrel-perc bubbler with my Torch. A few hits, wander off... :rant:

    Just my two cents. And to say that...well, sometimes I need what a heavier hitter like wax brings, and I just accept that there may be some memory loss problems on those days.

    On the plus side, I do *not* see any long-term effects of that. As in, if I switch to at least two sessions of flower, I don't get the problem even with the exact same strain (from the exact same branches...). :)

    Peace all!
     
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  14. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Do you drink or take other meds in the evening?
    Both of those are a factor in my life.
    That is what I do. I can watch the same shows over and over.
    Ahh I see my question earlier was already asked!
    My responses here are invalid, because I have a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) and I am functioning 24/7 through short term memory issues.
    The issues do not trouble me at all.
    Every day is a new day, and I am surprised happily to re-recall the things I have let slide.
    At first it bothered me, until I embraced it.
    Now at 65 the age factor joins my TBI in juggling my memory somewhat.
    I think you should simply:
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    Click to play YouTube Video


    .... Damn, I forgot what I was about to say!
     
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  15. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    I am all too aware that the daily mail are a bunch of lieing turds that are controlled, and have interests that cause a very bias look, at what can sometimes be called 'news'......

    But the study they refer too seems credible, as @biohacker says...
     
  16. EverythingsHazy

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    To preface this post: I've never been so stoned that I couldn't remember the experience the next day. Bearing that in mind, short term memory loss in the form of losing your train of though WHILE stoned, is a different story. That's common, but not severe, and not really an issue in any way. If anything, I see the constant switch of focus to the present moment as a benefit of cannabis. It can help keep you from dwelling on things longer than you should.

    Hopefully, cannabis only has beneficial long term effects on our brains, though, because sober memory issues can be a huge problem when it comes to taking meds, remembering dates, etc.. Its hard to watch someone lose their mind to Alzheimer's/dementia, and it's extremely difficult to care for them while they are resisting your efforts due to not remembering what the doctor told them the day before.
     
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  17. Enialis

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    Reading the OP's post, the rest of the thread, getting to the reply box, I have long since forgot my reply.

    I find that with vaping I "space out" more than just straight up forget things. I won't be able to give my girlfriend an appropriate response to whatever she was asking me while I was spacing out, but then 10 minutes later remember the whole conversation word for word.

    Cannabis is not the only memory impairing medication I'm on though, notably, a hefty dose of benzos.

    EDIT: I have more memory loss with the Benzos if I DON'T vape though. Note: Benzo's are prescription and taken as prescribed. They are not being used for recreation.
     
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  18. sanfranciscosadhu

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    I think most of us (myself sometimes included) use way too much material at once. As the old saying states: "Quantity changes quality"
    It can become a vicious cycle as the cannabinoid receptors actually dull from too much intake. This is much better explained in the recently published book "Brave new weed". Cannot recommend this book highly enough BTW. When the receptors work less we tend to consume even more, trying to get to previous results.
    Frankly the thread about micro dosing ought to be required reading for anyone on this forum LOL
    Less truly is more!
     
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  19. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Great post @sanfranciscosadhu .... you just described me perfectly! I'm at the point where receptors are supersaturated.... i'm trying to get my tolerance down and therapeutic level up, and still reading through the micro dosing thread! My will power isn't very high when it comes to vaping and vaporizer TOYS!
     
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  20. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    This is a very interesting thread :freak:

    Watching tv, even without ingesting anything that changes your consciousness/perception, can induce one's brainwaves into something called an "alpha state"... "Studies have shown that watching television induces low alpha waves in the human brain. Alpha waves are brainwaves between 8 to 12 HZ. and are commonly associated with relaxed meditative states as well as brain states associated with suggestibility."

    This is hilarious, I'm sure many of us can relate :D

    I was thinking something else that had to do with this thread, but I forgot what it was :shrug:!

    edit: Oh yeah... jack herer wrote a really moving article about treating his mother's alzheimer's with mmj. According to available research at the time, thc is unchallenged as having the best "neuroprotective" benefits of anything we can ingest, from avocados to fish oil to pharmaceuticals. For all I know, it still is.

    I have read elsewhere that unlike ethanol, thc doesn't kill brain cells but it will slow down our neuro-synaptic transmission. This slows thought processes but is harmless, and completely reversible with abstinence.

    edit2: This seems tailor-made for many of us :lol:

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    :tup:


    :bigleaf:
     
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  21. jirodreamsofbooty

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    The hippocampal blood flow article at the beginning of the thread is interesting. I don't think that the possible negatives of regular use can be written off - as you shouldn't get blitzed on vodka night after night, getting very high on the reg will have downsides (though not as severe IMO).

    I'm pretty disappointed by the industry even in legal states continuing to mostly sell high-THC/non-existent CBD strains (when I browse dispensary menus) - the percentage of CBD needed to blunt the issues of anxiety/memory interference doesn't even appear to be that high (on the order of 2-3% IIRC, though ratios closer to 1:1 would likely be even better).

    My hopes for cannabis's future is that it gets away from the prohibition-era 'get as blazingly high as possible all the time'/'pack in as much THC as possible because it's illegal' norms to a more well-rounded inebriant. Less bathtub gin more malbec.
     
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  22. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    Not sure if this has been touched on, but there are several supplement stores online that sell l-theanine and it isn't shit.

    I also think the -racetams (aniracetam specifically) are quite good at negating/alleviating some memory issues and they also have cool (VERY VERY SUBTLE, do not expect to get "high") effects of their own.

    Sometimes aniracetam gives me cool, super-saturated vision and almost always leads to a more lucid thinking pattern.

    There is a medication they give people suffering from memory issues etc, which is levitiracetam... don't know the brand name but it's all the same family of drugs. Aniracetam and piracetam are available OTC in places that aren't the wonderful US of A, but it's cheap enough to order offline and is perfectly legal. (edit: really it's a grey area but no one gives a shit)

    Any company worth it's powder (:whoa:) will provide the MSDS and chromatography results of the batch you ordered from upon request.
     
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  23. Enialis

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    About the L-theanine, I drink lots of oolong tea and have taken L-theanine supplements to great effect. Great for a caffeine like energy boost without the jitters as well as a supplement for anxiety and depression.

    Also, check out yerba mate for higher amounts of l-theanine. Just my personal experiences with both.

    We should really start a "smart-drug" thread, but i feel like there are more specialized forums for that.
     
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  24. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    r/nootropics is decent.

    Longecity was not my cup of tea...

    other than that I just do my own thing. It's fairly easy to look up the wikis and just go from there. Hearing peoples anecdotes can possibly have an influence on my (or your) own experiences typically so I like to just explore for myself. :)
     
  25. grokit

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    Okay so this thing never worked. I got credit for it and threw it away because it won't ring or even count down after trying it a bunch of times over a few days. Then later it rings from the trash bin, wtf.

    :doh: Should I fish it out?
     
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