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VapCap use with 3rd Party heaters

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by GreenHopper, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Hi guys,

    Was gonna post this in the DynaVap thread but figured might as well start a fresh one.

    So to those lucky folk who have a VapCap, a Woodsents and an Induction Heater (JH, JHII, PS, SK), how do you like each of them?

    Does the Woodsents offer better airflow?

    Is the Induction Heater more conduction than the Woodsents?

    Does one heating method produce a different experience from the other?

    What other heating methods have you used?

    Might as well open this thread up all heating techniques for comparison.

    Basic general chit chat on how you can heat your cap and how that compares to other methods.
     
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  2. elykpeace

    elykpeace wasn't me

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    It's like you read my mind. I was wondering if it's induction heating on the go with the VC included with the WS. Haven't tried it out yet
     
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  3. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    My understanding is that the WS (WoodScents) is mostly convective but must produce some conduction, especially if used with the Ti-Tip. From the AVB pics I've seen the WS is an even extraction.

    For on the go use I'd assume the IH (Induction Heater) is a better fit unless you are camping or RVing. Then the WS could be run off a 12v source.

    But I think the IH produces a more conduction based effect with AVB that's darker at the edges.

    I've got a Portside and love it but you have to use the cap on the Tip, I'm curious if the WS offers better (lower) draw resistance as you don't use the cap?
     
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  4. subway13029

    subway13029 Well-Known Member

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    So if you don't use the cap with the woodscents then is it really using the vapcap or just using the wood scents with the vapcap as a stem?? To me that is how I understand..with the induction heater you heat the cap and pull the Vic away and take hits..to me if you are using it with the wood scents it's more along line of using the Vic as the secondary device in that equation?
     
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  5. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Yeh you are right, basically the WS is using the VapCap as a stem.

    If you have alot of VapCaps though the WS could just as easily be seen as a heater for the VC collection. I certainly will have a WS as part of my collection. Even though you don't use the cap you can still use the Ti or SS Tips.
     
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  6. elykpeace

    elykpeace wasn't me

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    Love mine!
     
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  7. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Nice looking log!

    So how's the draw resistance using a VapCap as the stem VS using that Vapcap with the cap on (heated by torch or induction)?

    How do the hits compare?
     
  8. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    I don't know how the WS could be used to heat a VapCap. It wasn't designed to do that.
     
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  9. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    That's exactly what it was designed for.
     
  10. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    I think wires have been crossed and Stickstones has assumed somevody was querying the idea of the WS heating the actual cap, like an alternative heat source for the standard vapcap function.

    So I think he may have misunderstood your main enquiry of the differences between the various methods of heating the vapcap, and in comparison to the WS which uses the Ti tip.

    A fair enquriy I say! I can't comment on the Woodscents, but I own the Omnivap and Pipes IH.
    There are definitely differences between the induction heater and the torch. I unquestionably get a far more even and complete extraction with the torch than the IH, with even browning top to bottom.

    I always find the top part of the load is very dark, nearly black with the IH, while the underneath is still unevenly extracted. I dont bother stirring my vapcap. If the abv isn't too dark I just save it for edibles, so there is a bonus to not using it all up. But with the Induction Heater, I scrape the top, blackened material off first to see if the underneath is worth saving to cook.

    I also found that the vapor production declines slightly sooner with the induction heater and has pretty much stopped long before the cool down click. Using the torch the vapor declines nearer to the cooldown click.

    I always have to go at least a few seconds past click with the IH to get a decent hit or certainly it is essential to milk glass. I am uneasy about my varying ability to judge time passing, and to remember where the sweet spot is, without pushing it too far and getting more irritating, higher heat vapor.

    It can be a hard line to consistently draw, I don't want hits that are airy and mostly invisible, nor hits that are too irritating for my sensitive lungs.

    Using the torch I generally stick to the click, or continue to rotate for another second. If I'm not achieving the large hits I like I move the flame around and nearer to the cap, but I feel that is more control over this than the Induction Heater where I am relying on my judgement of time and memory, with the torch there is a "feel" for what you are doing with useful feedback.

    I use both methods actually, for the pros and cons of each. The Induction Heater saves my hands, it is much harder for me to rotate the 18 mm blackwood VonG than the titanium body, so the IH helps here.
    For some reason I find the hits from the torch more satisfying. Maybe because I feel like I have partaken, with involvement and ritual- a massive appeal with the Vapcaps in general. The IH is a bit like waiting for your ticket to be called out at the delicatessan!:lol:

    Im really not wanting to speak down on the induction heater. It's a fantastic concept and design of several geniuses currently. Nobody has expressed any dissatisfaction with their Jarheads or Portside.

    I definitely feel that with the torch the load itself is receiving more heat which enables a more complete extraction at a lower temperature, whereas with the induction heater the cap and the outside of the tip are much warmer relatively than the herb at the time of click. The Induction Heater is definitely more of a convection extraction, although as you have hinted there may be significant conduction from the cap and "tip of the tip". This would account for the way I get unevenly darkened bud at the top of the bowl with the IH.

    I have more thoughts about this and much better ones actually, Im so mellow from fresh harvested Autoflowers, I only had 2 bowls in the Omni earlier through bubbler, using the IH in fact. A combo of Think Different and Night Queen. This is the first time ever since being unwell that I actually have a proper harvest of really lovely weed that I am not allergic to (fertilisers).

    No need to ration or feel guilty about using more some days! How nice!:)
     
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  11. steama

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  12. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Thanks for the detailed response man, appreciate it.

    Think you are right regarding @stickstones query.

    So yeh you can't heat the cap with the WS but it is designed to work with the tip, worth clarifying so no issue with the query at all.

    Interesting observation, I haven't used a lighter in weeks so actually I can't remember how even the heating was. Gonna have a play later on today as I need to regain perspective on this one.

    Nah me neither, I use mostly ground material specifically so I don't have to stir between loads. It's not like it's a big deal to stir but I just prefer not having to.

    Another interesting observation!

    I've been using @phattpiggie's single click method recently. This basically involves a 1-2 second booster heat from the IH before the cool down click has happened. So again it's hard for me to judge the difference between the IH and flame but I'll keep an eye out for this one when I have a play this evening.

    I always have to go 2.5 seconds beyond the click with the IH but I believe that is intended by @Pipes as it's better than risking combustion at the click.

    Again I couldn't agree more.

    With a single flame torch I feel I have more control, I can decide where exactly I want to apply the heat.

    I too am relying on judgement of time with the IH like yourself but I have settled on 2.5 seconds for the most even extraction (which is as you found is still a little darker on top). I don't mind this too much though, I feel it's a good trade off for ease of use.

    I've only use the IH since I got it several weeks ago, I "energy efficient" or as everyone else calls it....very very lazy :lol:

    Interesting, I'll have to watch out for this one, see if I notice a difference, your theory makes sense. I sometimes heat the VC in the IH in 2-3 second intervals with a second between (before the click) to allow for better heat soaking. Can't honestly say I've noticed a big difference here though.

    Well thats interesting, I'd have said it's more conduction, especially compared to the WS. I feel like the IH heats the Tip which in turn conductively heats the herb. Where as I believe the WS heats the air and without the CAP the air is able to pass right through the material unrestricted.

    Delighted to hear you are getting some great material to play with bud, it tastes so much better without the bugs :lmao:.
     
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  13. subway13029

    subway13029 Well-Known Member

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    To me using the vapcap without the cap is not the same at all..that's what I was trying to get at earlier...it's just another stem...not like the induction heater.
     
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  14. steama

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    I have been reading a little on induction heaters. Apparently they can get as large as 100 tons! I am amazed how many things induction heating has made easier for human beings. Anyway here is a 'totally hot' image of a large conduction heater - notice the wrench in the background.

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  15. duff

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    My cap just clicked looking at that.
     
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  16. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    Yes but can you put your weed in it?

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    Might give a whole new meaning to 'smoke shack' :tup:

    :sherlock:
     
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  17. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Ah OK I get it, agree it's not the same but you are still using the tip which is part of the VapCap and goes beyond just acting as a stem. The tip must have some effect on the heating of the herb.

    :o

    IH V2? :lol:
     
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  18. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Sounds like I misunderstood that one guys...thanks for setting me straight!
     
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  19. subway13029

    subway13029 Well-Known Member

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    dont think you misunderstood at all.. think just talkung bout same thing in roundabout way
    .lol
     
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  20. Stevenski

    Stevenski Enter the Dragon

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    I was forced to use my VapCap on Friday night with a trip torch. It worked & worked well but made me appreciate my Wood Scent that much more when I got home Saturday :2c:.

    There is no contest to me although I occasionally have a cap for shits n giggles.
     
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  21. GreenHopper

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    Other than the fact that your WS is a legendary one ;) what is it about the WS experience that you prefer over the torch and cap experience? Just trying to get and idea of the different experiences folks are having.
     
  22. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    Just chiming in to suggest that the torch & cap like the induction heater offers a typical vapcap conduction experience, while using the vapcap as a stem heated by a log is more of a convection experience.

    :sherlock:
     
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  23. guyonthecouch

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    This unit comes with a built in "timer". It will only heat an object for 2-3 seconds and then you have to "reset" it by removing the metal object from the heating area. It was fun to play around with but not very user friendly. If you could mod it(i'm not that savvy) to change up the "timer" + glass insert for heating area, then you'd have something decent on your hands. But for the price, the jarhead, etc. are much better options for VC use. Buy/build yourself a skeletor and get creative with your designs!
    Haven't tried or heard much about use with WS.. sounds interesting though.
     
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  24. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Yep, thats my impression, just figured I'd get some folk with real world experience to chat about it. :tup:
     
  25. turk

    turk turk

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    ....good thread green hopper...I enjoy them ALL...each is unique and offers different little "nuances" that although doesn't get you any "higher"...provides the user with a comfortable..civilized (credit ataxian)..experience..imo...the look and feel of the many varieties of the vapcap...provide a level of comfort..that I find interesting...enjoy and explore each one...it's what we paid for.
     
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