Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

OF

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Right on! Good to know about the shaking! Sometimes i feel as if im shaking it ultrasonic:science::freak:

No, that's one of those other drugs. Stoners tend to the slower end of things....often thinking they're much faster than they really are.

Or so I'm told.

OF
 

StickyShisha2

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i want to get an extra heating core from TV but i don't understand the window hole in the side in all the pictures on the site. how do you hit it with a big hole there?

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StickyShisha2,

Dangus

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
That would be the "window" version, the top piece covers the window and slides open/closed with a twist for loading rather than pulling the top off.

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They're telling you the truth, Lady. You can either get the internal sleeve that 'closes the window' when rotated (the original Revolution configuration) or get them to use the AVA marked part instead. There's no more stock of the Revolution/DART marked parts as I understand it, and no real plans to make more.

The AVA marked parts should live on as part of the TV e-cig line I think.

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The AVA marked parts should live on as part of the TV e-cig line I think.

OF

but it says "This is not for use with Botanical Concentrates, this is made to be used with vegetable glycerol (recommended) or propylene glycol. If you want a unit for vaporizing botanical concentrates you need our Revolution Universal Concentrate Vaporizer:"
 

mephisto

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Been using my 3.7v AVA as an oven for my extracts, it functions just as well as my 3.7v dart.
Cleans the same way, overfills the same way. It will handle just about anything you care to load
into it. Following prior advice against over filling will provide copious clouds of vapor! Enjoy.....
 

rcflo

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but it says "This is not for use with Botanical Concentrates, this is made to be used with vegetable glycerol (recommended) or propylene glycol. If you want a unit for vaporizing botanical concentrates you need our Revolution Universal Concentrate Vaporizer:"

Ask them to make you an AVA cart built to DART specs. I believe the heating cores are different, but the casing is exactly the same. I just got mine in the mail. They will even engrave it correctly, no AVA written on it, just revolution, (NOT DART either)
Hope this helps
 
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but it says "This is not for use with Botanical Concentrates, this is made to be used with vegetable glycerol (recommended) or propylene glycol. If you want a unit for vaporizing botanical concentrates you need our Revolution Universal Concentrate Vaporizer:"
Ask them to make you an AVA cart built to DART specs. I believe the heating cores are different, but the casing is exactly the same. I just got mine in the mail. They will even engrave it correctly, no AVA written on it, just revolution, (NOT DART either)
Hope this helps
The AVA body is used with Dart insides

check out this post from Tim:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/thermovape-revolution-for-concentrates.4927/page-98#post-271728

hope this helps

All very true as I understand it. The mechanical part (tube) is the same. The ceramic material and heater powers differ. Asking for a 'Frankenstein DART' will get you just what the Doctor (or in this case, Lady) ordered.

Check it out, boys and girls, less than an hour and 3 fellow Forum Members step up with 'the straight poop' to help......is this a great Forum or what????

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Haywood

Onward Thru the Fog
Interesting. Two of the guys at TV told me that the AVA and DART were identical, except for the engraving. No difference in the cores themselves, or the ceramic. I asked twice, on two different occasions. I have one of each here, and I'll be damned if I can tell any difference.

I read what Tim originally said in the message quoted in a previous message, but what he said in the message is different from what I was told personally. Of course, maybe I got it wrong, or the people telling me didn't realize what I was asking...

In any case, as long as TV understands what you want when you order, you'll get what you're supposed to.
 

Bob Loblaw

Astralnaut
i will add that i have an HR AVA from awhile back and did turn it over for use w/concentrates and have had nothing but success so far. couldn't hold enough ejuice at a time to be any use w/out their ridiculously over-priced reservoir so i started throwing oil at it.
 

Haywood

Onward Thru the Fog
My SV DART (an "actual" DART, though I don't use the DART extension part at all) from a couple of months ago is still my go-to device for PG when I don't have to fly somewhere to work. It sits nicely on top of my T1's battery holder, screwed into the insulated adapter (the one to give you a 501 thread top without having to undo the T1 top down to its components). The two RCR123A batteries last forever (seemingly, not actually, but certainly more than one or two person-days worth), and the SV DART core heats up to temp in under 10 seconds. I only use my LV UltraLite when I have to fly somewhere, as it's an E-Cig then, not an implement of destruction concentrated delight.

ps Bob: Do you think the "ridiculously over-proced reservoir" would work well (at all?) for PG? I don't think it's on the TV web site anymore, at least the last time I looked. If it would actually let me load 0.5 to 1.0 grams of PG at once, without leaking, it probably would be worth it to me even if it's silly expensive.
 

shredhead

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No, that's one of those other drugs. Stoners tend to the slower end of things....often thinking they're much faster than they really are.

Or so I'm told.

OF
The whole reason i only FEEL as though I'm that fast:lol:
 
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ps Bob: Do you think the "ridiculously over-proced reservoir" would work well (at all?) for PG? I don't think it's on the TV web site anymore, at least the last time I looked. If it would actually let me load 0.5 to 1.0 grams of PG at once, without leaking, it probably would be worth it to me even if it's silly expensive.
sorrily, i cannot speak to this. i am not sure of it's function, manufacture or usability w/ that type of "PG". i know it was made for ejuice, but i am unfortunately unfamiliar w/ Pure Gold. no dispensaries up here in OR. if it did work i can see it being worth the price, tho.
 

Haywood

Onward Thru the Fog
At room temperature, PG is about the consistency of honey; very viscous, and viciously sticky. Varies a lot with temperature. Becomes pretty free-flowing at body temp or higher. Maybe someone else with experience with both (PG & the reservoir) will chime in. OF must have a reservoir buried in a drawer somewhere :) Or I can ask Tim or Zeki the next time I call TV.
 

OF

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OF must have a reservoir buried in a drawer somewhere :) Or I can ask Tim or Zeki the next time I call TV.

Sorry to let ya down Brother H, but no gots.

While on one hand I'd love someone to come up with one that feeds PG well, on the other I don't think I'd enjoy prying my wallet open wide enough to tank it up. And if it's there and working it's gonna get hit......

OF
 

Cheerful Dub

Spaced Station
After about a week of constantly abusing my T1/Rev I got totally overzealous and loaded a dab that covered most the Dart, it was the last it could handle. After getting two of us completely loaded from a cold start, even the delrin sleeve was warm and next day the core was completely dead - peered inside and the ceramic looked like tar paper :doh:

I was disappointed but quickly realized from reports here it was definitely user-incurred failure. In the short time I had it running I enjoyed the product so much I figured I would clean and send in the old core to be rebuilt while I ordered a new replacement.

To be honest I had not thought of using this product to quit smoking cigarettes, I was also unfamiliar with DIY nicotine freebase in vegetable glycerin. The more I educated myself about that subject, which was convenient given a wealth of knowledge is but a few threads away, the more I realized I should pick up an AVA and swap the cores back and forth on my T1 body.

It has been over 48 hours since I last smoked an "analog" cigarette and it's the first time in about 5 years I could say that. To stay relevant to the current topic, I would also comment that the Rev/AVA cores appear "identical" to my untrained eye.

I have also come to understand a better balance point on load capacity relative to concentrate consistency and determined that there is a brief period where I can vape off the ceramic without adding any more on the tip of the Dart, and it seems better to do that than keep reloading it constantly, even if it means a few "weak" hits in between.

I would also say that the experience with the VG + AVA was a large part of coming to grips with it and really helped me to understand just how long a few "drops" lasts in the ceramic, even though the consistency and burn rate of each is very different. I can see how people would prefer a cart or res but I just mixed a heavy mg/ml dosage, a few drops on the disc and a few short drags later I'm satiated.

Really looking forward to the evolution of this product line, I know it is my future method and product line of choice but I honestly feel as though it is "the" future, right now. Fuck a jetpack, I stay up all day on the thermovape :rofl:
 
One question I have right now is, how do you load yours? I have been trying to use the DART but it seems like it does not pull enough oil out of the vial. It gets coated, which is good. But then when I heat base unit it the oil on the DART stem(?) doesn't actually melt off onto the ceramic disk easily. It would be nice if that happened, then I would dip the DART again and repeat this until I have a full enough chamber to session a few times. But that's not happening.

Would I be better off actually dripping a drop of oil onto the disk rather than trying to dip the dart several times? Also, any reason I could drop a "glob" of budder/wax onto the ceramic disk when that's what I want to vape? The object is to get medicine into the chamber and down onto the ceramic disk, right?

I ran into that problem myself (the PG not dripping onto the ceramic off of the dart tip), so I started to just drop the oil directly onto the ceramic and did away with the dart tip ala Haywood. I've also used OF's heated needle method, which is mentioned in the part of this thread that Haywood references.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/thermovape-revolution-for-concentrates.4927/page-101#post-275172

Lately, however, I find that my aim isn't the best so I started to play around with the dart tip again. I squeezed the PG out into a shallow container like the ones that you get waxes in.



(No, that's not PG in there. Just some random pic I found on the web.)

Here's the kicker- I load a tiny bit of wax onto the end of the dart tip. Because the container is shallow, it's easy enough to dip the dart into there. The wax soaks up the PG nicely and also melts easily, carrying the PG with it and onto the ceramic. Lemme tell you- it's pretty intense, so try at your own risk. But I must also say that it works like a charm when it comes to getting the PG onto the ceramic; the fact that it's also mixed with some melted wax is just gravy.

As far as dropping budder/wax directly onto the ceramic goes, that totally works. I usually use that method with the ultralite because, sans dart loader, the device is unbelievably tiny.
 

VirginHarvester

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Yes, I drop PG 'down the tube' and onto the disk. 3 or even four drops from clean (should be between .15 and .20 grams total), a 1/3 of the half gram vial?
Sounds right. Have put four or five drops from a half gram vial and have what looks to be half the vial left.

Have a question about where the drops go, or can go, once in the DART tube. The reason I'm asking is because after learning it was safe to go ahead and load full drops I did so(3 drops) and seemed like it almost wasn't enough, of that the drops might not have made it to the ceramic. But I couldn't see any PG on the inside tube leading down to the ceramic. What also seemed weird, like I might have a problem, is that trying to vape those drops made the DART "tube" very hot and I figured if I missed and the PG was on the side wall(if you will) of the tube then it would have melted down onto the ceramic. So is there any place else it could have gone, any vents or anything? Just curious. I since added 2 more drops and seems like it's producing vape within a few seconds.

While I'm thinking about it, is there an agreed on method for heating this PG without "boiling it" in effect... normally I go with 3-5 second bursts, let off for a couple seconds, then another. Perhaps it's better and more effective to do 8-10 second bursts, or does that tend to boil the precious? :gollum:

Secondly it's a good way to add thicker concentrates. There it can easily hold .05 grams.
So for PG not so useful but a budder/wax good for dopping and globbing?

Good luck and enjoy the DART. IMO it's really going to work better for you with PG once you figure it out.

OF
Just glad someone knew the DART was out there, used PG himself, and was able to steer me to it. I'm indebted.


What OF says.

I have an UltraLite base that I use with my DART, exclusively for PG. I don't use the DART extender at all though, just a mouthpiece directly into the DART core. I found that with PG, everything worked MUCH better without using the DART extender.
I can separate the extender(the piece that is the dart) and use only the rest as a mouthpiece only for a better experience? Please someone tell me how to separate and I will.
(And how did you get the DART tip into the PG vial?
I believe PG originally came in vials, before the ampules. Well, the company had problems with out of stock on the ampules and started putting them back in vials(sealed with little corks). Those vials are about 4 times the circumference of the DART extender(?) so it fits just fine. The problem is it doesn't scoop anything. I was thinking about a design where the tip of the extender is almost a little spoon that captures PG/wax like the little plastic stick used for blowing bubbles.
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My vials were much too narrow to allow me to dunk the DART tip into the PG). I purchase my PG in the .5g squeeze ampules now.
Which is how I'm seeing them again and were my last purchase. Thankfully I saved all my glass vials and corks because I'm thinking I'll squeeze the ampules into a vial because with tape over the top they travel and drip extremely well. The lass vial allows me to heat it a little to get it flowing.

You cut the very end of the ampule's tip off with a scissors, then hold the ampule just above the top of the DART core (so you can see what's coming out of the ampule, and where it's going when it drips into the core), and squeeze it gently until one drop comes out, and (if your aim is good) drops directly on the ceramic insert. I then turn the base on for a couple of seconds, just long enough for the PG to be absorbed into the ceramic (and beyond). Then I do the same thing again, loading a second drop. You can load three drops if you are going to start vaping right away, but I wouldn't load more than that, and I only load two drops if I'm putting the UltraLite in my pocket for later use. (It's warm enough in your pocket that if the UltraLite isn't perfectly upright, the PG can seep back into the cylinder, which wastes battery because you have to heat up the whole thing to get the PG to drain back into the main core). If you start using the ampules instead of the vials, a good trick is to cut down a medium (not the smallest, not the largest) paperclip to about 2mm-3mm, bend one end into a tiny loop, and use the straight end to plug the open end of the ampule until it's empty.
Good advice and will revisit this post when I start using PG from my ampules
The DART with PG is the most stealthy vape I have, with regard to smell and speed, and I love it. Vaping PG in a DART core is the way to go!
In your estimation if I preload 2-3 drops to take the rig out with me is there much chance of the PG leaking out of the DART cart altogether or is it essentially sealed? I suppose to "travel" with the DART I need to make sure the DART/extender is attached to the mouthpiece so it is sealed?


Here's the kicker- I load a tiny bit of wax onto the end of the dart tip. Because the container is shallow, it's easy enough to dip the dart into there. The wax soaks up the PG nicely and also melts easily, carrying the PG with it and onto the ceramic. Lemme tell you- it's pretty intense, so try at your own risk. But I must also say that it works like a charm when it comes to getting the PG onto the ceramic; the fact that it's also mixed with some melted wax is just gravy.
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Do you dip the tip in PG first or get a dab of budder then coat that dab with PG? Sounds really good.

Thanks all.
 
Do you dip the tip in PG first or get a dab of budder then coat that dab with PG? Sounds really good.

I put the budder onto the dart tip first and then dip it into the PG. Honestly, I haven't tried doing it the other way around, but I might just do that when I get home tonight. :brow:

I put the dab on first because once it's on there it's pretty hard to dislodge. However, I don't think reversing the order should make a difference (i.e. I don't think that having the PG underneath the budder will make the tip so slippery that the dab falls off).
 

OF

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Have a question about where the drops go, or can go, once in the DART tube. The reason I'm asking is because after learning it was safe to go ahead and load full drops I did so(3 drops) and seemed like it almost wasn't enough, of that the drops might not have made it to the ceramic. But I couldn't see any PG on the inside tube leading down to the ceramic. What also seemed weird, like I might have a problem, is that trying to vape those drops made the DART "tube" very hot and I figured if I missed and the PG was on the side wall(if you will) of the tube then it would have melted down onto the ceramic. So is there any place else it could have gone, any vents or anything? Just curious. I since added 2 more drops and seems like it's producing vape within a few seconds.

While I'm thinking about it, is there an agreed on method for heating this PG without "boiling it" in effect... normally I go with 3-5 second bursts, let off for a couple seconds, then another. Perhaps it's better and more effective to do 8-10 second bursts, or does that tend to boil the precious? :gollum:

I think the 'missing PG' is absorbed into the ceramic 'sponge' (as it's designed to do). This forms the reservoir. The heater is inside it (under the top plate you see and inside the ring below it you don't). When you 'fire up' (mostly) Infrared Radiation (IR) is used to heat the reservoir and your goods. Surface first, but eventually the entire mass. As the first bit of PG reaches the 'magic temperature' the vapor starts (which tends to rob the heat that would otherwise heat stuff hotter. Thus it doesn't really burn like you might expect. I usually key it on, let it heat a bit (based on experience with the battery and load state) then take a 'test puff'. If I don't get solid vapor, I let it go a few second more and try again. When it's producing I take the hit basically as fast as I can pull it keeping production high (pull too fast and cold air will slow production and dilute what vapor there is. We want to draw just enough air in to 'sweep the vapor out'. I slack off the heat several seconds before the hit is done. If it starts to get away from me, I slack off the heat early but try to keep pulling.

Concentrate will end up coating the surfaces inside by condensation. Like steam from the stove in the kitchen fogging the window. Some will flow down the walls, that which condenses on the top and tip flows down it. The tip of the tip is very close to the ceramic, a tiny drop forming on the tip (or new stuff added) will touch the ceramic easily and be pulled off. You can collect some concentrate on the rim around the floor plate, it looks like a lot and is attractive to guys with toothpicks. But it's not really very much (a hit maybe?) and is a stable amount. That is more than a little bit ends up moving on on its' own.

Loading too much is bad in two ways. It slows the action down, heating takes longer due to the extra stuff to heat, the extra concentrate under the reservoir tends to get trapped and cooked, changing the taste and it can lead to leaks out the air vents in the bottom of the cart (just above the threads) witch is a loss and a big mess.

I like to add small bits often when it starts to slow up production. From clean I figure it's got about .150 absorbed in the sponge before production gets going. That concentrate doesn't seem to vape off as fast as new stuff added, as you'll find if you change concentrates without boil outs.

No problem I see with adding twice as much as I do half as often. I used to load about .1 grams at a time, but found .05 suits me better.

"Load small and often".

OF
 
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Sounds right. Have put four or five drops from a half gram vial and have what looks to be half the vial left.

You have to be careful about putting too much PG in. .25g (half of a half gram vial) is way more than I ever put in at once. I generally put in two drops, and once in while, when I'm about to immediately start vaping, particularly when a friend is involved, I'll put three drops in. Even after I clean the core (ISO bath and boiling in water, then let it completely dry) I generally only put two drops in, and then add another drop after a few hits. Too much PG winds up being a little wasteful and the core doesn't seem to work as well (thinner hits, though you get plenty of them).

Have a question about where the drops go, or can go, once in the DART tube. The reason I'm asking is because after learning it was safe to go ahead and load full drops I did so(3 drops) and seemed like it almost wasn't enough, of that the drops might not have made it to the ceramic. But I couldn't see any PG on the inside tube leading down to the ceramic. What also seemed weird, like I might have a problem, is that trying to vape those drops made the DART "tube" very hot and I figured if I missed and the PG was on the side wall(if you will) of the tube then it would have melted down onto the ceramic. So is there any place else it could have gone, any vents or anything? Just curious. I since added 2 more drops and seems like it's producing vape within a few seconds.

The drops went to the land of lost socks. Read below to find out how to get one of them back.
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Well, actually, if you couldn't see any PG coating the insides of the tube, they probably were absorbed into the top ceramic piece, and into the actual core beneath it. The Revo/DART/AVA core seems to require a little "priming" when it's new or just after a thorough cleaning. Two drops of PG seem to do the trick. These two drops aren't really lost, they just keep the core primed. Without realizing it, it appears that you've already found that out for yourself. Just before you clean the core, you can have a final session where it takes appreciably longer, and the vapor will be appreciably thinner, and you can "reclaim" at least one of the two drops worth of PG you used to prime things in the beginning. Cleaning is an infrequent event, by the way, not a daily or even weekly task if you're using PG in there, as the "P" stands for pure, and there is little residue buildup. Waxes and less pure oils will "clog" the ceramic disk after a while, and the performance goes down until you clean it. I think I recall that OF mentioned once that "Supermelts" worked pretty well, as an alternative to PG.

While I'm thinking about it, is there an agreed on method for heating this PG without "boiling it" in effect... normally I go with 3-5 second bursts, let off for a couple seconds, then another. Perhaps it's better and more effective to do 8-10 second bursts, or does that tend to boil the precious? :gollum:

I don't know about "agreed on", but I can tell you how I do it. First of all, you need to learn how long it takes for your "device" to heat up. I have both a 6V T1 based, SV DART core rig, and an Alpha UltraLite 3.7V LV DART core rig. Their warmup times are completely different, and the draw times are completely different. When cold, with a freshly charged battery, remove the DART/mouthpiece and look down the tube at the little piece of ceramic on the bottom, covering the core. If you look closely, you'll note that ceramic piece is NOT round, and can move around a little in the frame that's holding it in place. When centered, on either side of the ceramic is a little gap that opens directly into the core below. Anyway, while looking down at the ceramic piece, turn your DART on, and count how long it takes until you see the orange glow of the core below the ceramic piece. If your ceramic piece is really black, it may be easier to see the core glow through the open edges of the ceramic piece that I described above. If you happen to have some PG loaded while you're doing this, you can also watch for the wisp of vapor, which will start just before the glowing core gets to full orange. On my LV UltraLite, it takes about 15-20 seconds to get to that point. On my 6V T1 based setup, it takes 5-10 seconds. So however many seconds it takes YOURS, turn your rig on, wait that many seconds, add another three or four seconds for anticipation mistiming, and then start taking your hit. I let go of the power switch when I'm about halfway through the hit. Once your DART is warmed up, it won't take nearly as long to warm up for the second (or third, etc.) hit. Usually 5-10 seconds is plenty, but use your eyes and check YOUR rig out for yourself. Note also that it takes longer to warm up on a half used battery than a freshly charged battery. The times I mentioned above are for a fully charged battery. How you "work" the power switch once you've gotten your first hit depends entirely on how big a hit you take, and how much time you allow between hits. If you're only holding your hit in for five seconds, and taking the next hit immediately, then modulating the power switch on and off may be the best way. If it's more like holding in the hit for 15 seconds, and then waiting another 15 seconds before taking the next hit, then turning off the power halfway into taking a hit, and turning it back on 10 seconds before taking the next hit may be the best way. Once you remove the DART extension, and just use the mouthpiece (see below), you can easily keep an eye on when the core is glowing and when vapor is being produced.


I can separate the extender(the piece that is the dart) and use only the rest as a mouthpiece only for a better experience? Please someone tell me how to separate and I will.
You're going to :doh: when you realize this. The mouthpiece just pulls out of the top of the DART extension. It's a snug fit, so you may find it easier to "unscrew" it, but it's just good tolerances and a rubber O-Ring holding it into the DART. So just hold the DART extension metal body in one hand, and the mouthpiece in the other hand, and have at it. My experience with the DART extension and PG is that it does no good, and mucks things up considerably. With waxes and more solid concentrates, maybe, but for me, it's been a bad idea to involve the DART extension with the use of PG. If you start using your rig without the DART extension, you may find it worth your while to get a longer mouthpiece from TV, as your mouth is pretty close to the metal tube with the short mouthpiece. Pictures of the DART extension, with and without the mouthpiece, below:

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