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The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. druminfected

    druminfected Well-Known Member

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    tried asking this before, but was wondering if you can use the 7.4 hercules cart on the omicron v2 with the 3.7 batteries for just using flower material?

    Also was wondering if it's even worth getting another 3.7v battery for my persei to use with my 7.4 hercules cart to use for flower material or will it just get warm and the lowest volt you can use with the 7.4 hercules cart is 6v with flower usage?

    I know all about the oil method, but just wanted more info on the flower aspect of the hercules and the possibilities and if u can use this with v2 omicron.
     
  2. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    Haven't had much luck with the herc at 6v with loose leaf. Still to hot. Patiently waiting for the iris.
    Waiting for the fixes before I try oil. It's real scarce here and can't afford to lose any.
    I'm sure g will get it right before long.
     
  3. SlideOrDie

    SlideOrDie Well-Known Member

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    Umm how can you not see all the bubbled black delrin right below the top ring...? I tasted it so it was definitely melted...

    That being said, if you would have read my posts you would know the heat shield is perfectly fine, and everything still screws together just fine except the mouth piece adheres to the top ring which free spins making it nearly impossible to separate without a good deal of heat.

    Btw I tried what you said a while back and it didn't do anything. Just to be sure I tried your idea again and it still did nothing... The ring just sort of free spins like I said before...

    EDIT - Here's a shot from like 10 pages or so ago... I really hope you can see the melting in this pic my friend :)

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. tharealmclovin

    tharealmclovin Well-Known Member

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    Gave the 3.7 herc another try this morning woth the Hammer top. Had some grinded herb that sat out overnight, filled the herc til it covered the rod. Fired it up for 15 seconds or so and got a nice big tasty rip. But when I went in for seconds it had cooled already. Heated it up again for 15-20 seconds and got another nice tasty rip. I am going to keep going and will post an ABV pic soon

    Got some great 3.7 herc results with a new technique.

    I put 2 little pinches (about a 1 hitter or 2) into the herc and shake it down to around the rod. I use my hammer top turn it on, let it warm up for about 10 seconds, then hit it as lighlty as possible. I found that hitting it too hard sucks the herb up, which IMO keeps it from vaping and clogs the airpath. After the first hit i never turned it off. I waited about 5-10 seconds and went in for a second. Once again got a nice cloud. I repeated this about 3-5 times with success until it started tasted burnt. I think that is pretty good off of about a 1 hitters worth.
     
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  5. JoeKickass

    JoeKickass Well-Known Member

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    I also found small mflb-grind loads to be the best because you can tap and shake to stir without opening up the Herc, it actually reminds me of the mflb a lot...
     
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  6. wootze

    wootze Well-Known Member

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    Ima reply to the several posts about flowers.

    The following works 4 me, consistently . High volt hercules, 2 aw imr 18350's.

    2 solo screens from planet vape.

    One is domed with a sharpie marker and fussed dome side down into place in the hollow tube. Set it so it does not touch the heater.

    Fine grind shoveled in the tube. Assemble cover. Drop 2nd solo screen on top of load.
    Screw mouthpiece on. Recommend leaving several threads exposed.

    No matter how careful you are, you're gonna be doing some high temp vaping.

    I get big medicating clouds. YMMV, but I doubt it...
     
  7. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    Cool I need to try that!
     
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  8. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    Thanks OF!
    I ordered the 1600
    I'll try the 2000 later.
     
  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome. I'm sure you'll like them.

    OF
     
  10. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    slide can you ship us that herc? ill pay for shipping. pm me your paypal addy when you ship it out and give me the total, i want to see this and examine it closely.

    sorry guys im skipping over questions please pm me and ill answer it, im trying to resolve the hercules issue and cant catch up on the forums.

    I can assure you guys we have gone through full battery dumps just inhaling and other things i cant duplicate it to save my life.
     
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  11. SlideOrDie

    SlideOrDie Well-Known Member

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    First of all I just want to say that I really appreciate you taking so much time and paying so much attention to the issues and trying to resolve them so quickly. Also thank you very much for offering to reimburse the shipping cost, this really helps out around the Xmas season boss!

    Would you like the entire unit in it's box along with the tanks and all shipped or just the pieces in question?

    Also, I'm guessing I should iso the crap out of it and boil it just to make sure the unit is completely clean as it's going to have to go across the border?

    Where and how would you like the package to be sent?

    WTFEDIT - OK so I finally got it apart to prepare for cleaning and I was shocked by what I found... This must be why it has been so hard to separate all of the pieces... The delrin was coated all over the inside of the cart and tank as well...

    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  12. icculus1985

    icculus1985 Member

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    Wow man. Thats pretty crazy.
     
  13. Krazzykid

    Krazzykid Well-Known Member

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    Wow! I am at a loss for words on this one!
    I sure am glad you are still with us Slide, that is some messed up scary stuff indeed!

    I just don't see how you aren't able to replicate this G, Delrin melts at 347 F. That isn't just a little melted like the picture led us to believe, that is full on liquified!

    Edit: I know this doesn't need to be said but I will anyways, Slide please do NOT fire that unit up again!
    To the other person who reported melting, please check your unit immediately and make sure this isn't going on as well.
     
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  14. Porquiplane

    Porquiplane Look Into My Eyes

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    Damn, thats pretty bad. Never expected to see that much destruction to it...


    By the by...How do they make supermelt? Just wondering about its extraction as per chemicals and such. Is it just a finer screened bubble bag level?
     
  15. Krazzykid

    Krazzykid Well-Known Member

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    Real supermelt shouldn't involve any chemicals at all. Just really good technique with bubble bags, and probably the dankest of starting materials.
     
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  16. icculus1985

    icculus1985 Member

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    So does anyone have any advice about vaping flower out of the 7.4 herc yet? I have still been messing around with it, but still have not had too much luck.
     
  17. SlideOrDie

    SlideOrDie Well-Known Member

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    Yeah man from the outside it looked like a little tiny bit melted. I was like :o when I finally got it apart :(

    I'm seriously confused as to how this happened :huh:
     
  18. JoeKickass

    JoeKickass Well-Known Member

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    Try to describe exactly what you were doing when it melted, you said you'd been experimenting, looking for a bigger hit, did you preheat and draw really long?
     
  19. SlideOrDie

    SlideOrDie Well-Known Member

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    Well, I wasn't doing anything wild, just taking advice from people on here to fix the issues.

    I followed directions to a t on how to do the VSS mod and the only other thing I had been experimenting with was having a lid on the tank vs. not having a lid on the tank. This happened when there was no lid.

    As for when it happened, I didn't count but would guess the session was about 3 mins or so total? The warmup I was guessing to be about 30 seconds maybe a bit more plus two really large, slow hits of around 1 min or so maybe a little more. I was a bit medicated so the times might be a little off, but it couldn't have been anything too crazy.

    I'm tempted to bust out my second Hercules and start testing again for a day since the post office isn't open on Sunday to send the messed up one to G.

    EDIT - So I just tried my second herc with a few tanks without the VSS mod and with the lids on and damn you lose way more product than you do with the VSS mod and the hits weren't anywhere near as good either. I think I'm just going to stick to the oilrig for now until this is all sorted.
     
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  20. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't square with my experience and understanding. Full Melts are 'bubble hash' with perfect trichimes, Super Melts don't have the trichome structure?

    Bottom line is stuff sold as FM doesn't usually work in Omicron carts, SM does. However it's made.

    OF
     
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  21. wootze

    wootze Well-Known Member

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    Read my posts. I'm pretty sure there are other ways of doing it but I find that on the high volt hercules, it's best for me to isolate the flower from the power.
     
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  22. Darb

    Darb Well-Known Member

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    Before I cleaned my cart after running a few grams through it looked similar to yours.
    I assumed it was impurities/unburnt oil.
     
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  23. Krazzykid

    Krazzykid Well-Known Member

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    Im from Colorado and I guess the dispensaries near me just use these terms different than yours.
    Around me these terms are used in order of purity from lowest to highest:bubble, half melt, full melt, and super melt. Those are all used to define grades of bubble hash.
    Granted anything other than bubble is rare as far as water hash goes.

    As far as the trichome structure goes, even in bho or iso hash oil, a part of the trichome is dissolved into the final product. This is how these solvents are able to remove the precious cannabinoids.

    If you make your own oil, after you do a run sometime look at the buds(or trim) under magnification when you are finished with them. The trichome stalks will mostly be intact but the head of the trichome will be gone, meaning it is in your finished product
     
  24. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Exactly my point. The structure is intact in full melts (you can see them at maybe 30X), SM and other solvent refined products still have some of that same material but it's structure is no longer intact.

    That's how it seems 'around here'. I don't doubt a bit it's often abused in an effort to make it more attractive to sell.

    What with all the high grading going on you'd expect salting as well.....

    OF
     
  25. SlideOrDie

    SlideOrDie Well-Known Member

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    I had thought that myself too last night, however, the product I've been using has been the exact same since the first load. It was completely clean burning and every time the cart and tank looked clean and I never once had to clean the herc, it was spotless. I've run about 9-10g through it so far, maybe a little more.

    It's a possibility though for sure so, I'll try to clean the unit today and return with my findings and more pics. If it is wax, it should definitely come off quite easily with 99% iso and a little water boil.
     
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