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Discontinued The Oracle Infrared Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by The Oracle, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    I think the need to handle all portions of the unit with care seems to be the biggest issue at this time. But this is true of some of my favorite all time vapes ala the VHW.
     
  2. mongrel

    mongrel Well-Known Member

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    well, the overwhelming attitude and comments toward the oracle here is very positive. noticed a # of users are long time vapists with use of many types of vapes. these recommendations hold some weight.
    my last question is; how does it compare to other vapes whip mode? never really got into the bag thing so it would be 99% whip mode.
     
  3. dime

    dime Well-Known Member

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    Been using the Oracle daily for nearly a year now, the thing still hits hard and I still prefer it to my Volcano Classic. I picked up a few extra screens which I cycle through between iso soakings.

    I'm not sure there is a better whip vape than the Oracle honestly, because it fills a bag in which you draw from through the whip. The thing with whips is you really need consistent heat to get the best vaporization, and with both manual whips and forced-air whips you don't really get that. The bag/whip combo lets you pull at your leisure and it works out well.
     
  4. max

    max Out to lunch

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    You can't draw from a bag filled with vapor, by any means available, and call it a good comparison to whip use. Any vape that fills a bag is going to force a high output of air through the bowl, resulting in vapor that's more diluted than what you'd get from a whip vape with a high vapor/air ratio, like the SSV. And unless there's been an 'innovation' I'm not aware of, using the Hookah Stack Adapter isn't a passive method, and therefore shouldn't be compared to a passive whip unit. Comparing true dual mode vapes like the herbalAire or Extreme, to a whip only model, is fair game, since they are (herbie) or can be (Extreme) completely passive in whip mode. While the Oracle allows for a direct draw hit that you can't get from a 'cano, it's still considered a bag filler instead of a true dual mode model that invites comparison to a whip only vape.

    Then IMO you should be looking at models that use passive whip mode.
     
  5. dime

    dime Well-Known Member

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    The comparison here is aesthetic, mongrel makes it sound like he'd rather hit out of a tube like a hookah instead of breathing out of a bag. The hybrid bag/whip gives you the benefits of the bag, with the usage of a whip. mongrel just so it is very clear, if you buy the Oracle you must use the bag with the whip, though you do not need to touch the bag except for when changing out bowls.
     
  6. Ymir

    Ymir Active Member

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    If I read this, in context to my post, I don't understand how you can come across with both barrels blazing like that. How can my statement make you feel defensive? You say," because your experience and knowledge is opposite...."

    I apologize for being aggressive in my response to you, especially in reation to the swear words, however, you can't call people out as saying BS just because it doesn't match your experience.
    If people are discouraged to voice opinions and provide manufacturer feedback ( be that positive OR negative), it doesn't bode well for the future.
    Again, I apologize for using curse words in my initial reply, and for that I paid my 3 day ban.

    Modnote: The use of curse words is not prohibited. You were given infractions for flaming. Please review the forum rules if you're unclear. Thank you.
     
  7. mongrel

    mongrel Well-Known Member

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    hey, thanks for the clarification and suggestions blokes. i am not averse to adopting new methods of ingestion if the end result is as good at what the oracles results appear to be. i've never really considered vaping anymore economical than smoking, so the efficiency as suggested by the uniform colour of post vaped gear is appealing. i do sort of have some misgivings about always having to stuff aound with a bag... i'm not a patient man (blood sugar issues) so anything too fiddly would have me crack the shits bigtime. could any oracle user here please give me an idea of it's simplicity in use or otherwise. i've got crap bandwidth internet so watching vids isn't always an option.
    mongrel
     
  8. max

    max Out to lunch

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    Here's the deal. This vape fills a bag really fast. There's virtually no warmup time needed, so you load the bowl, turn it on, load the bag, and in no time at all you've got a bag full of vapor. Or you can use the hookah stack adapter and hit it via direct draw as soon as the bag starts filling. So in that respect it's an excellent choice for the impatient vaporist. And with bag fill, unlike most passive direct draw units, you can take your hits as hard, fast, and often as you like. You'll certainly have to hang onto the bag until you finish it, although if you need to lay it down for a minute (after taking at least one hit to equalize the air pressure), little vapor will escape. There's also a good argument that bags provide more ease of use and flexibility for a session, since you can take the bag with you to the kitchen, bathroom, or wherever. And it's easy to make your bags any size you need-small for a quick tuneup or extra large if you want to take your vapor with you for a walk. I'd say most direct draw units would be more "fiddly", with draw speed a factor most of the time, and bowl stirring often required. Bag fill is usually seen as the most easy to use and convenient method, and this one offers fast direct draw as well, with the hookah adapter.
     
  9. Ymir

    Ymir Active Member

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    PM sent to moderator, no reply.

    mod note: This software doesn't have PM, and when you get a reply to your 'email', posting about it in the public forum would be violating another rule.
     
  10. Canna Hound

    Canna Hound Vapor test pilot/glass freak

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    Ymir,
    I have nothing against you; but you made statements which i do not believe to be true.

    If I am hearing great things about the Oracle from Planet Vape; as well as having an active dialogue regarding my personally modified 18mm stack and bag fittings... Then you come here and say you called two dealers and they both told you to go with a cano; that is hard to believe if you live in North America because as far as I know(please correct me of I am wrong), Planet Vape and I think Vapor Nation are still the only two dealers. I thought I heard rumors of puff it up possibly getting stock (bit i didn't see oracles less than a week ago). I hope you understand where I am coming from with this; i really hope to hear you live in Germany or something.

    I still want to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you live in another sale zone, or a place without Oracles.
    Unfortunately, this is where my extensive experience using forced air vaporizers leads me to become defensive; I have actual and extensive (like pounds via HerbalAire, ounces thru Volcano, and even an ounce plus thru Oracle already) experience using both of the vapes you are speaking of; I'm not hurt you would rather have a cano. I don't believe coming into a thread about a product and making dubious claims without some sort of evidence is useful for anyone; especially people looking for actual user feedback...

    I'm still assuming your a good person and hope you have an excellent vape to start your day.
     
  11. spoonyluv

    spoonyluv Avid Herbalist

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    Half baked goods is also a retailer. They are the one I ordered from and am still dealing with due to my DOA unit.
     
  12. Canna Hound

    Canna Hound Vapor test pilot/glass freak

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    Good to hear more places are selling them; I wish I saw more positive things from the vendor you mention. I see several red flags which would prevent me from conducting business with halfbakedgoods;

    First was the viva la guerrilla or some crazy named vaporizer they claim to have exclusive rights to and go on to claim "it is the best forced air vaporizer period." Looking like an Herbalaire and hearing they use "one of the best" ceramic cores on the market makes me feel like this is, at best, an improved upon knock-off of another design; just my opinion.
    Another major issue is the lack of accessories they have available for the Oracle; they do not show any of the stacks, glass bearings, etc...

    When you look at Planet Vape's website they clearly have all of the options as does vapor nation.

    Spoonylove, I hate to talk shit about a place I have never done business with, I in no way mean to offend you in any way. It seemed prudent to point out what I saw as potential risks from browsing the website; using my admittedly computer illiterate brain.
    best of luck and I would contact Bminnovators directly regarding your defective unit and your vendors lack of service. In all fairness, I have heard the Oracle was back ordered temporarily before christmas, not sure when the next batch will be shipping; but it is worth whatever the wait if you rely on vaporizing for med reasons.

    I'll have a detailed review and lots of pictures shortly, I can already see the pictures of the materiel in and out being priceless in terms of illustrating the Oracle's greatest features; this should be good. I wanted to finish the review over the weekend but life got in my way and I liked it :)

    BTW- they don't appear to sell Volcano's at halfbakedgood
     
  13. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Thanks Canna, very perceptive. Looking forward to more.
     
  14. mongrel

    mongrel Well-Known Member

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    hey, i'm about to order one. just need to know your opinion on a preferred retail outlet. it has got a long arsed trip to oz so good packaging is essential. i don't mind paying extra for extreme safe packaging as long as it gets here intact.
    mongrel
     
  15. The Oracle

    The Oracle Vape Manufacturer Manufacturer

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    Oracles are currently manufactured as 120V versions only, 220/240V models are expected to arrive towards the end of the year.
     
  16. mongrel

    mongrel Well-Known Member

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    well slap me hard and call me mildred... that's a bit of a bastard. oh well the hunt continues.
    thx 4 the heads up mate.
    mongrel
     
  17. Ymir

    Ymir Active Member

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    Now you say, I'm making dubious claims.......i don't get it....
    I live in Toronto, Canada.
    BMInnovators (manufacturer of the Oracle) are based in Toronto, as far as I know they are also manufactured in Canada, if not, then they're importing them for resale.

    There are local retailers that supply differents units, including the oracle. In December I was looking at buying a vape as a Xmas gift and went to a few shops to make a decision. 1 shop had oracles IN STOCK. In my recent discussions with these shops, they've commented on the poor supply chain and lack of "support to retailer".
    That's all I tried to communicate from the very beginning, undubiously, without motive.
     
  18. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    Haha i love the things i hear you folks from down under say!

    ragarding the topic at hand, can't you just plug that into a travel converter and use it down there?
     
  19. mongrel

    mongrel Well-Known Member

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    nah, bugger power adaptors... on more thing for me to lose or break. i had a yank mac with an adaptor and it was a pain in the arse.
     
  20. theVaporSpot

    theVaporSpot Well-Known Member Retailer

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    JJ owner of the Vapor Spot in Los Angeles here...
    I'm a retail store as well as a Vapor Bar here and I'd like to point out that the Oracle is new technology, and as such is not something you can expect to find at most Mom and Pop smoke shops...they will only sell to retailers that feel will represent their brand correctly.

    We sell the oracle at the Vapor Spot and while we have a few choices for every pricepoint, at the Volcano price range, the oracle must be considered, as it allows all glass pathways as well as simultaneous hookah whip, bubbler, and bag capture. the unit is made to be stationary and the glass/screen setup is a small concern for us here, but the unit has impressive results and good flavor in line with the Volcano.

    But I MUST point out that working with Bogdan and the crew at BMI has been very professional, and I can assure you that they have treated my retail store great in our dealings. We only pick a small handful of vapes at tje Vapor Spot, and as such we're proud to be on the BMI website as an authorized dealer. We sell the whole unit as a kit with bubbler., and we had a shiny new unit sitting here through xmas that no one claimed. Not just sticking up for them for the hell of it, but the BMI crew was really good about my early beta units as well as production run units as far as support.
     
  21. VaporBoxed

    VaporBoxed Baked

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    Thats awesome man. I am personally interested in seeing more videos of the oracle in action. If you could do a side by side against a EQ or something that would be great.

    TIA
     
  22. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Thanks VaporSpot, we would love some videos. Very cool storefront and business idea. Cheers and good luck.
     
  23. Canna Hound

    Canna Hound Vapor test pilot/glass freak

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    Sorry for the delay everyone; as always I have more Iron's in the fire than I can keep up with.

    I decided to do some more detailed documentation of amount loaded, temperature and vapor density; all with photo's to document the various colors of ABV and densities of vapor. I am so impressed, even at this point by the Oracle's performance; I feel like if I want to share this experience with any amount of credibility, I need the documentation to back up my observations and opinions.

    This photo journal of weight vs. temperature vs. time in relation to vapor density inside a full bag has proven to be a much larger project than just a review; I want to provide answers to all of the unanswered questions I personally had before buying my Oracle; as well as learn the best temperatures for my needs.

    Sorry again for the delay and feel free to email me any immediate questions regarding my experience with the Oracle until I get the review up.

    I hope everyone can understand my hesitation posting one of the three reviews I have already written; I don't want to post an advertisement, and everything I seem to write about the Oracle has ended feeling that way.

    Sorry for another novel...
    H
     
  24. IAmKrazy2

    IAmKrazy2 Darth Vapor

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    Sounds like you're really doing your homework Canna. I tend to do the same, push back a full review andjust give small bits and observations first. You really do need a few weeks with most vapes to learn all the ins and outs. Looking forward to more, and take your time.
     
  25. oldiebutgoodie

    oldiebutgoodie Apostle, Church of Vaporization

    Just to add my amen, Canna Hanna. It's the reviews and info from guys like the two of you that make this the best vaporizer info source by far. Instant-on and no-stir are great features, but at the end of the day it's quality and efficiency that are paramount. And if the Oracle can produce vapor density on par with a passive whip system, wouldn't that be somewhat of a game-changer?
     
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