The Magic-Flight Box

[MM..Food]

@Pre-Stoned: the stains dont matter, one of my stupid friends combusted in my box too (literally cherried the trench I was like wtf are you doing lol) but the stains fade away and don't really affect the performance of the box

yeah the box is fine its just the herb we were using gets dark quicker compared to other kinds we've had. oh well.

 

[pakalolo]

The light still lights up and everything--not as bright as before and not as bright as my brother's-- so I know the battery is making the connection.

Is that with the same battery? At any rate, that shoots down my dirty shoulder theory. What you describe here indicates a poor connection. Has the battery fit gotten looser since you got the box?

 

[dsal1]

Quick question, I have the powerx 2700 batteries and the c9000 charger. I did the break in mode and have used the batteries and they work good. So after a trench or two what setting do you use to charge?
Do you have to discharge them before charging? I love this Launch Box.

Thanks in advance

 

[Progress]

I am having trouble figuring out why the LB itself would decline in performance. It seems to me that the construction is so simple that this wouldn't be an issue unless the cause was obvious. For example, I would have thought that if the screen is getting clogged, someone would have mentioned that. If it is separating from the copper-clad conducting rods I would have thought someone would have mentioned that too.

I noticed with my LBs that when I used to load all the way up to the shoulder of the trench, I got a buildup along the shoulder, could that be the cause of this decline? If so, they can be cleaned with ISO, careful brushing, and a couple of empty-trench heat cycles (I used 30-45 seconds).

Other than that, I'd blame the batteries, but both isis and champ3185 have said they tried other batteries. I find the whole thing puzzling because I can't come up with a theory, and I hate mysteries like this.

Very good troubleshooting pakalolo.

I did have one other thought to add for the rest who are experiencing a decline in performance. As the weather gets colder the batteries may need to be left in the box a bit longer before starting the first draw in order to warm the battery a bit (which helps them provide power better). A dirty connection inside the battery slot (positive OR negative connection) could hinder performance as well.

The closest I have seen a box coming to a performance issue (aside from battery issues) is one that has build up touching the screen from underneath it (and that was fixed with an empty trench heation followed by careful scraping of gunk). Warranty replacement was considered until this was resolved though.

The "I get some smoke but still no vapor" is the most perplexing (the herbs on the screen would produce vapor through conduction before smoke).

 

[Desensitzerrr]

I think that Magic Flight should include part of the warranty or terms of service for the warranty process saying "they do not repair anything they recognize as having illegal substances" anywhere on the item. Because if a package is alerted on by a dog while going through the mail, and you guys opened it or had sent it, that would suck.

 

[pakalolo]

I think that Magic Flight should include part of the warranty or terms of service for the warranty process saying "they do not repair anything they recognize as having illegal substances" anywhere on the item. Because if a package is alerted on by a dog while going through the mail, and you guys opened it or had sent it, that would suck.

That makes no sense to me. First, I'd bet that 99.999% of the material vaporized in any LB is an "illegal substance", probably even higher. Your suggestion effectively would render the warranty useless. Second, they don't repair LBs, they replace them. Third, they don't require a return of the LB, they ask for your serial number and evidence of the failure, usually a picture. If you read this thread, you'll see several examples of this procedure in action.

 

[gim]

While I have not tested it yet, I'm confident it is simply a battery issue.

 

[Stu]

^^
I can vouch for that.

I'd bet that 99.999% of the material vaporized in any LB is an "illegal substance", probably even higher.

I'd bet on "higher", too......

 

[champ3185]

The "I get some smoke but still no vapor" is the most perplexing (the herbs on the screen would produce vapor through conduction before smoke).


there is my problem exactly. after about 5 seconds of battery insertion there is nearly no vapor.
I draw really slow and then instead of lovely tasting vapor i get a burning taste...perhaps it is an airflow issue.If i draw a bit faster i get nothing..

I am still happy i got it though. It was for me a great stealthy vape.. Id come in from work and load up a trench. 5 minutes later im walking down the stairs on cloud nine..only me and the lb ever knew!
that would be impossible with probably every other vape on the market.

in regards to the video... the guy put the batt in for 3 secs and got lovely looking vapor. perhaps this unit runs a little hotter.. my box does not achieve the same results.

however with the power adaptor im thinking of buying a new box...once it ran like the box in the vid!
great info on the site.keep it up

champ

p.s though i am not requesting a warranty lb since i have one, I am offering to send both my units to magicflight for tesitng. perhaps further research may identify the problem.

 

[champ3185]

I am having trouble figuring out why the LB itself would decline in performance. It seems to me that the construction is so simple that this wouldn't be an issue unless the cause was obvious. For example, I would have thought that if the screen is getting clogged, someone would have mentioned that. If it is separating from the copper-clad conducting rods I would have thought someone would have mentioned that too.

I noticed with my LBs that when I used to load all the way up to the shoulder of the trench, I got a buildup along the shoulder, could that be the cause of this decline? If so, they can be cleaned with ISO, careful brushing, and a couple of empty-trench heat cycles (I used 30-45 seconds).

Other than that, I'd blame the batteries, but both isis and champ3185 have said they tried other batteries. I find the whole thing puzzling because I can't come up with a theory, and I hate mysteries like this.

first of all.. very good work on the lb.. some great tips and info.

second of all... the box could be performing poorly through my own faults! i have used the replacement lb everday, 4/5 trenches, for many months.. I admit i rarely cleaned the unit.. one of my friends combusted the feck out of it also. dont beat yourself up about it It could be anything

 

[JDSupreme]

I think that Magic Flight should include part of the warranty or terms of service for the warranty process saying "they do not repair anything they recognize as having illegal substances" anywhere on the item. Because if a package is alerted on by a dog while going through the mail, and you guys opened it or had sent it, that would suck.

Someone got a little to vaped and paranoid


On another note, I've got a few different style vapes and the LB delivers the best overall taste of herb..
I'd put the log vape in 2nd, bag vape in 3rd, and whip in 4th. Although none taste "bad" just diff levels of taste quality IMO.

However, even now that I have my super awesome Zap, I still find myself packin' trenches at home (because of how good it tastes). This home adapter is very much wanted here.

Anyone else getting resin spots on either side of their draw hole? I use the stem 95% of the time and these spots keep forming. and they seem tougher to clean than other vape resin....

 

[stuey]

@MAGIC FLIGHT

I'm onto my 3rd LB now, and I have noticed both first hand and via this forum that there seems to be a generally accepted concept that the LB runs hotter to begin with and cooler after its break-in period.

Personally I think that it works better when it runs hotter.

Could some kind of adjustment "thing" be added so that it could be made to run hotter after its initial break-in period?

 

[hemp;)goofy8cheerio]

+1 & turbo water coolin also if possible)

 

[Progress]

Champ, if you haven't already, you may want to try microtokes (I think it is described in the vaporpedia). However, my best guess would be that there is an intermittent battery connection issue (likely due to the negative connection in the LB getting stretched or new slightly slimmer batteries). That poor connection could cause you to have a dim light until it is somehow wiggled to make a good connection (when the temp would mysteriously rise and possibly cause charring/browning/smoke). I think that tips on fixing the negative connection are in the vaporpedia too.

JD , in regards to discoloring around the mouthpiece of the LB, I have seen one with one significantly discolored spot on one side of the stem and one with what appears to be a sun of stains around it (both use a 3/4" stem. If I understand correctly the stains are just residue absorbing into the wood. I would not recommend using iso or any other solvent on the wood.

 

[Wolface]

JD: I am also getting the stains around the draw hole and am pretty sure it's because of the amount of resin building up in the bottom of the box, When you draw on the warm box it seeps out around the stem. I also thought that once I got my Purple days my MFLB would see a lot less use, but I was wrong!

 

[derp]

I also see some very dark, almost tarish buildup on the bottom of the draw hole, I also use the stem 95% of the time.
I didn't try to clean it yet, but it does look/feel hard when I poke it, and doesn't seem to come off easily.

 

[pakalolo]

I draw really slow and then instead of lovely tasting vapor i get a burning taste...

and

one of my friends combusted the feck out of it also

That's why you've got the burnt taste. My experience with nasty tastes is that they gradually go away after a few trenches, but if it was really badly charred it might take longer, or (shudder) never. You could try a few empty heating cycles.

If your battery doesn't fit snugly then you could also try wiggling it around while looking at the light to see if a particular position brightens it up. I suspect you've probably already tried that, though.

I'm onto my 3rd LB now, and I have noticed both first hand and via this forum that there seems to be a generally accepted concept that the LB runs hotter to begin with and cooler after its break-in period.

I've seen this comment a lot and while I don't doubt it, it has not been my experience with the two LBs I own. I have always suspected that this might be a battery deterioration issue and not the LB itself. If there is a "break-in" period for some LBs, surely Magic-Flight would have discovered this in testing. I've not seen a comment from magicflight on this point, though.

Champ, if you haven't already, you may want to try microtokes (I think it is described in the vaporpedia).

Actually it isn't, although it should be. Anyone using this technique care to provide a quick description? I thought it was described somewhere in this thread but damned if I can find it.

I think that tips on fixing the negative connection are in the vaporpedia too.

Yes they are.

 

[george]

The "micro hitting" technique is described as taking many short inhales instead of one steady inhale. So, it's like puffing on a cigar/joint (inhale-wait-inhale-wait-inhale-wait....) except you are keeping the vapor in your lungs/mouth until your done with that pull.

 

[Wolface]

Micro-hitting is awesome! Huge clouds are possible with a little practice. Can't remember the last time I accidently combusted with the MFLB. The more you get to know the box , the less it should happen.

 

[stuey]

I've seen this comment a lot and while I don't doubt it, it has not been my experience with the two LBs I own. I have always suspected that this might be a battery deterioration issue and not the LB itself. If there is a "break-in" period for some LBs, surely Magic-Flight would have discovered this in testing. I've not seen a comment from magicflight on this point, though.

I think we can rule out batteries as I am using the same batteries.

Personally I can only really think of 2 causes.

1. The connection to the screen weakens over time so somehow the contact is less.

2. There is a small build-up of resin on the screen which has a fairly dramatic effect on the heat delivered from the screen.

There just isn't all that much that can physically go wrong with a LB due to its design so I cant think of anything else.

But 100% its not the batteries.. otherwise I wouldn't notice any difference when putting old batteries into a new LB.

 

[george]

I think if you do a clean out the performance will get better.

 

[dsal1]

Re: The Magic-Flight Box ReviewQuick question, I have the powerx 2700 batteries and the c9000 charger. I did the break in mode and have used the batteries and they work good. So after a trench or two and the batteries are not drained totally, what setting do you use to charge?
Do you have to discharge them before charging?
I love this Launch Box.

Thanks in advance

 

[ThudButt]

I've ordered one a few days ago from vapeworld but it's still in the mail. All this talk of deteriorating quality is a tad worrisome. Anyways do yall think i could use this in a dorm room safely?

 

[Stu]

I've ordered one a few days ago from vapeworld but it's still in the mail. All this talk of deteriorating quality is a tad worrisome. Anyways do yall think i could use this in a dorm room safely?

No problem to use in the dorm. The little smell that you will get is negligible and dissipates in seconds.

Enjoy

 

[champ3185]

Pakalolo
Thanks for the help. my buddy combusted about 3 months ago, and it took awhile but the taste got better. i have tried the cleaning cycles and to be fair it made a difference.
I have tried different batteries and differnet positions to get the best contact..and two different chargers
i am going to get the power cable anyhow and see if it relaunches the lb
if not i will get a new unit extra hot if possible.. this thing imho is a great unit when perofrming..perhaps the cable will make a difference.

Wolface
yup i used to microhit to generate extra heat and vapor. it is a great method that allows the user to hit different temps in one hit. hitting it native with a fresh trench combined with this technique tastes delicious.

i am wondering is it that the battery is not making good contact cause the copper wire has become a bit dirty? i think someone mentioned it as a possibility and it seems possible after inspection.

what would need to happen in the unit to decrease airflow negatively??

thanks all
chap