Blackthoven
Shaolin Master
Ordered the LB from Vapeworld 
, now we play the waiting game.
, now we play the waiting game.
The Magic-Flight Box
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clayton
Well-Known Member
pakalolo said:sadf said:In another thread I posted this:
I've looked into the MFLB and it honestly looks like a pain in the ass to use with the batteries. It apparently also doesn't hit very hard and looks near-impossible to clean. The size is not an asset to me so despite the hype I'm not really sold on it.
And was promptly informed that I have been misinformed about this device. From what read I did on the MFLB when I first heard of it the thing sounded like a decent ultra-portable that nonetheless wasn't as efficient, effective or convenient as even a VG. Batteries honestly sound like a way bigger pain in the ass than a butane lighter in addition to being more costly.
Yet this thing has a gigantic thread dedicated to it, it must be awesome. I don't get it.
Hi sadf, thanks for moving.
Don't get me wrong, I think your choice of the Lotus is a good one, but I hate to see misunderstandings about the LB. Please don't think I'm trying to pick a fight. I'm hoping I can re-educate you, not argue with you. The LB isn't for everybody and you might be one of those who should look elsewhere.
I can't say whether you'd find the batteries a pain to deal with, but I can say it is simply not an issue for me and many others. A lot of owners start out with the same assumption and are delighted to discover that their fears were ungrounded. I could easily get by with two batteries and the stock charger. If you are a really heavy user then perhaps juggling batteries might be a nuisance, but the average user shouldn't really find batteries to be a problem.
Not sure why you'd think batteries would be more costly. The best batteries for the LB are about $12 for four, and they'll last several months at least. I don't use butane, but as I understand it that's about two cans worth. I don't think two cans of butane will last several months. Now, if you buy a top-of-the-line charger then yes, that will set you back a few bucks but a) it's a one-time cost, and b) you don't have to do that. The charger that comes with the LB is perfectly adequate.
The LB can hit as hard as you like provided you learn proper technique. This is not difficult and is no different from many other vaporizers. You can produce anything from thin, almost invisible vapours up to thick clouds, and even combustion. I don't know where you got your impression, but I know that an experienced user can show you how to get whatever you like.
I have difficulty imagining an easier device to clean. The design means there is virtually no condensation. Unless you use materials that it is not designed for, i.e. oil or anything that melts, the screen does not accumulate build-up. It does change colour a little, but that's all. To clean it you simply use a drop of ISO and heat it with an empty trench for 30-45 seconds. This is not needed frequently, certainly nowhere near as frequently as, say, cleaning my Extreme and its pieces.
As for efficiency, if you look at a few other threads you'll see that most users rank it among the best. I use about .1g in a trench and I will get 25-30 good hits from it. (I've counted several times to be sure about this.) I don't know what the VG can do but I would be really surprised if it came even close. Convenience: it goes where you go, it's completely noiseless, no flame or lighter to give away what you're doing, odorless unless you exhale a lot of vapour, nearly instant warmup and cool down. What else do you want?
By all means get a Lotus, but almost everything you said about the LB goes against the experience of most of the posters in this thread. I'm not sure where you got your information, but I believe it's wrong on nearly every point.
You definitely are going to have to elaborate on that, unless you are taking micro hits from the same single battery connection?
Ive had mine for 6 months now and the screens started to peal, i sent a email to blissvill about the problem with all the details and 3 days later they sent me a brand new MFLB!
The warranty is amazing, you wont find a better warranted product than this.
Thanks Blissvill
The warranty is amazing, you wont find a better warranted product than this.
Thanks Blissvill
charliedontsurf
Medical
PeaceMan said:
Great to hear that they honored the warranty so eagerly, it gives me faith that if and when mines goes wrong I'll be taken care of. Care to elaborate on the screen "peeling," I'm curious.
caseball2051
Well-Known Member
ive never had a screen peeling issue, but i did have another issue that they took care of a few months ago. Emailed on a sunday, and got a new box by tuesday.
Their warranty and customer service is top notch. it cant be beaten.
Their warranty and customer service is top notch. it cant be beaten.
TwztedVaper
Boom Shankar
I get at least 20 hits from about 0.05, (yeah, I counted a bunch of times). The key is a really fine grind. My hits last for about 10 seconds on average.
Vaporgin.
Mt.BakerVaper
has anyone ever tried to clean the hashlike cake that happens over the bars if you dont keep all the herb only in the trench and little pieces keep building up? I cleaned it the other day by doing a battery heat cycle for about a minute, then taking a paintbrush and getting it somewhat wet and brushing over the buildup repetitively, then more heat, then more brushing untill its gone.
It worked like a charm and my lb looks like new
It worked like a charm and my lb looks like new
Vaporgin. said:has anyone ever tried to clean the hashlike cake that happens over the bars if you dont keep all the herb only in the trench and little pieces keep building up? I cleaned it the other day by doing a battery heat cycle for about a minute, then taking a paintbrush and getting it somewhat wet and brushing over the buildup repetitively, then more heat, then more brushing untill its gone.
It worked like a charm and my lb looks like new
If you use the brush to clean out the box after each trench, then you shouldn't get that buildup. It works well for me.
derp
Internet meme specialist
The buildup still happens if you brush (and blow) out the dust after each session. I got into the habit of wiping the screen, especially the shoulders with an alcohol soaked q-tip. That gets it clean enough.
The problem with the buildup is that it seems to worsen the heatup characteristics of the box (I mean it takes more power to heat up properly).
The problem with the buildup is that it seems to worsen the heatup characteristics of the box (I mean it takes more power to heat up properly).
Vaporgin.
Mt.BakerVaper
I definitely have on every single trench since ive gotten it, like a month of 1 t a day, but there is still a slight buildup. I think it occurs when little pieces get stuck to the hot bars/sticky residue on them after sheaking each hit even tho i try to keep it all in the trench i cant be perfect and some bits and pieces get stuck, i brush them off even between hits sometimes. Im kinda religious about keeping my lb nice and running because i want it to last at leaast a year like some other's on this site. The bars look almost brand new after i did this, i wish i took a before and after picture.
I was also wondering if this repetitive somewhat firm brushing could be damaging to the screen over the bars because if so i will never do it again, it didnt seem to do anything but good tho.
I was also wondering if this repetitive somewhat firm brushing could be damaging to the screen over the bars because if so i will never do it again, it didnt seem to do anything but good tho.
upriver
combustion-free
If the c9000 lists an imedion as having 2050 mah after breakin cycle, is this a bad battery? I have two with similar values, one works fairly well and one works just ok, not quite hot enough. The others from the same batch read 2190 and run nice and hot.
What values are we looking for in a nice, hot battery? I seem to recall that anything over 2100 is ideal?
What values are we looking for in a nice, hot battery? I seem to recall that anything over 2100 is ideal?
SmokingElectricity
Well-Known Member
I'm getting my MFLB today. can you guys recommend a good battery/charger set for around 25-30 bucks?
hemp;)goofy8cheerio
New Member
http://thomasdistributing.com/ may help with batterysSmokingElectricity said:
OC513
Dabaholic
a battery rated 2000mAh or better is suggested for box use. Now as stated many of those batteries will come up short of that number when measured with a good charger. When I received my box it was shipped with 2000mAh Eneloops (its since been changed to 2400mAh Imedions.....someone correct me if I am wrong here), usually when I do a break in or analyze & refresh on my batteries they come out in the high 1800's to mid 1900's and they work well. I also have Powerex 2700's and they typically come out somewhere in the 2500 range. My original Eneloops are abut 7 months old now and I am gonna order some Imedion 2400's soon as I prefer having LSD batts so I know they are always ready to go if I have to run out the door.upriver said:
SmokingElectricity
Well-Known Member
chucku
Charles Urbane
SmokingElectricity said:
Consider the following....
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charger only for $22.97 or
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charger and 4 Powerex 2700 mah HSD batteries for $29.97 and/or
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4 Imedion 2400 mah LSD batteries for $10.97 or
4 Powerex 2700 mah HSD batteries for $11.87.
clayton said:
No, these aren't microhits. I used to estimate 15-20 per trench, then one day I decided to count. There are so many threads here about efficiency that I wanted to know for sure. I was surprised by the number, but I counted 8 or 9 trenches with the same result. (My notes are back in Canada so I'm not sure.) I consistently got 25-30 hits before the taste was no longer tolerable. The load comes out medium golden brown, so not entirely cashed, which I verified by taking it to my Extreme and hitting it at 240C. It still had multiple hits in it but the grind is so fine some it falls through the Extreme screen. I won't be doing that again. It tastes lousy and I was just trying to prove a point.
The grind is fine and I always dump it and finger-crumble after two or three hits. At this point it is really fine. I hit native by making battery contact, looking for vapour in the hole (usually 3-4 seconds) then drawing for about 10 seconds. I get visible vapour if I exhale, which I try not to do.
Let me emphasize that this is with my stash, my grind, and my drawing technique. These are important variables and what works for me might not work for you.
TwztedElegance said:
On the the other hand, you can see I am not alone. My trenches are about .1g.