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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Hammer Vaporizer, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations Head Tools,

    I saw the new entry out there in the sticky thread and thought it would be nice to know what range of temperatures can be covered with confidence. Perhaps more curious people like me had the same thing in mind when reading about temperature... So, are there numbers available at all?

    Thank you for the time. Good day, have fun!

    :peace:
  2. Hammer Vaporizer

    Hammer Vaporizer Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    David should be getting back to you about this soon. He may be able to give you a range, but it likely won't be too specific since in addition to the temp dial setting, the length of time you hold down the ignition button also effects the temperature. For example, you might be able to get the device to the same internal temp by holding the trigger down for 30 seconds at 50% that you would get holding it down for 20 seconds at 70%. One of the things many purist really like about the Hammer is that you have a ton of control to regulate the temperature yourself based on technique rather than relying on preset settings/range.

    While I'm here, also wanted to mention there are some REALLY funny memes FC members are posting in our contest thread. If you guys have a minute, would be awesome if you jump over there and like a few of your favorites to vote for them. :tup:
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  3. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations Hammer Vaporizer,

    Given the nature of this system it's clearly a matter of ritual to me, most obviously there can't be exact numbers but some people might want to get some approximative idea anyway, i guess...

    Then i'll be looking forward to it, thank you very much for your time!

    :peace:
  4. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    To understand what is happening inside the Hammer, lets start with the flame size and time period to warm up. The same temperature can be created by using a small flame with a longer warm up time or a large flame with a short warm up. Even the smallest flame will reach vape temps in about 60 seconds. However, I use a larger flame and regularly reach vape temps in less than 20 seconds. The second variable is your rate of draw. You will want to choose your flame size based on your style of use (use a small flame for a slow, gentle draw or a big flame for a fast draw).

    In the following two examples, lets assume that the Hammer is starting at an ideal 390F:
    1: If the flame is small and you inhale aggressively, then you will get good vapor for a few seconds and then it will start to diminish (the flame is not able to replace the heat as fast as you are using it).
    2: If the flame is large and you inhale too slowly, then you will get good vapor at the start, but then the temp will keep rising to the point of combustion (the heat is going into the system faster than you are using it).

    Back to the original question, the temperature range of the Hammer is difficult to define. If you use a large flame and wait 30+ seconds, the Stainless Steel heat exchanger can go past 850F. This temp sounds high, but is not a problem as long as you inhale quickly. After a few uses, you learn to balance the heat with the rate of draw... You would have to TRY to combust on purpose.

    I like to compare the Hammer to driving a stick shift. It takes active user input to properly use a Hammer. YOU are the thermostat - You can drive the Hammer as fast or slow as you like. Some people are turned off by the “manual” nature of the Hammer, preferring a system that is either on or off. In my opinion, these vapes are very easy to learn, and produce reliable results for new users. However, I have found that after a couple of uses, I have outgrown the pre programmed limits. I want more heat for faster, denser vapor and the on/off simplicity will not accommodate that. The Hammer definitely has a learning curve, but after a few uses, you begin to understand these variables and it quickly becomes second nature. The Hammmer is an incredibly flexible system, and when you understand how it works, you will never outgrow it.

    NO MORE WISPY HITS!!!

    David
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  5. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations David,

    Thank you. So if i want to wape salvia, for exemple, it's going to work. Though my interrest about Salvia Divinorum happens to be quite limited these days...

    That clears the matter relatively to the high temperatures boundary. Now, isn't 199 °C (390 °F) a bit too high as a lower "floor"? Or most likely, i must have misinterpreted. My appologies if i have!

    :peace:
  6. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    390F is not the minimum temperature... I just chose 390F for the example.

    You can control the Hammer to be anything from room temp all the way up to the maximum
  7. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations Head Tools,

    Thank you for clarifying this matter for me, i'm impressed now!

    :cool:

    Oh, then The Hammer Vaporizer absolutely covers the very same range of temperatures as my HerbalAire and beyond... A lot beyond from what i can imagine (i gather we can force it to reach the point of combustion if that's what the moment requires somehow). Hummm... That's taking me back to the automn of 2010 when i was still undecided which product to choose.

    It seems your last answer definitely captured my unconditional attention!! At least at this very instant.

    :D

    Maybe it's not really too late but right now i have one more question which the situation of a fellow member inspires me all the sudden. The thing is he started a most unusual thread in the international section, asking for portable vaporisation @ 170 °C (338 °F) with near-medicinal purity even at much higher temperatures - which is where too many brands/models appeared to fail in the past, IMO...

    Now i wonder, if what i read on FC is correct then chances are the Supreme Vaporizer won't be no more some time soon (just 1 unit left for sale the guy said!), euh...

    Anyway, here's the reason for my lengthly introduction:

    How about a thermometer of some sort, preferably the audible/LED type only??

    I mean, a "niche" is about to be unoccupied...

    Sometimes i just can't resist the urge it seems but to me it looks like 170 °C (338 °F) is within the reach of The Hammer Vaporizer indeed. This potential client would need to vape away from any easy access to electricity simply because he's going to be in the woods, litterally. Also, glass will be a major asset (of course!) and the person sounded quite prepared for the necessities of glass in a camper type of environment, whatever. Go figure.

    :shrug:

    In any case that's the thought i had to share, thanks again for all of your attention!

    :peace:
  8. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    A thermometer is a great idea. I have tried several different ways to build-in a thermometer, but have not yet found a design that works as seamlessly as I would like.

    It sounds like the Hammer would be the perfect vape for your friend. I use my Hammer everywhere, but it is really great to have when camping... it is perfect for festivals!

    NO MORE wispy HITS
    David
  9. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Hi again Head Tools,

    Yes! Although i didn't really know what comment to make about The Hammer air/vapour paths (and i'm still unsure, actually)... The desciption sounds good enough to want to see more. Unfortunately, once that member is done packing it could be a while until we see him return to FC (via a public libray nearby) - but the thing is i just don't know...

    [​IMG]

    Maybe what i'm about to suggest wouldn't be practical when standing in the great outdoors but i'm curious anyway: would it be possible to probe using an external IR thermometer from Canadian Tire or something?

    :science:

    All it might require is a tiny access hole for the light beam, right?... Also, even if it's no direct reading made in absolute values, all he'd need is a way to render his sessions easier to replicate. E.g. if 220 °C means 170 °C in reality then so be it!...

    Thanks for passing by!

    :peace:
  10. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    It is actually very easy to reproduce the results of any given session. As you are inhaling, you get a good sense of the temperature just by the feeling of the heat on your tongue. Once you have used the Hammer a couple of times, you will find a flame setting that works for you and then you can regulate the temp with just your rate of draw.

    As I mentioned, I have tested many different types of temperature indicators for the Hammer. Some test subjects found the thermometer useful during the learning curve, but after 3 to 5 sessions all of the testers reported that they no longer needed the thermometer. This is kind of like the "SHIFT" light on a manual transmission car. Having the car tell you when to shift is helpful when you are first learning how to drive the car... but once you get a feeling for when to shift, you will never look at the light again. You just know how to do it.

    NO MORE wispy HITS
    David
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  11. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Hi again,

    I see, i'll post a link to your answer in the related international thread then. Thank you!

    :peace:
  12. Hammer Vaporizer

    Hammer Vaporizer Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Speaking of international...

    I know a few of you asked previously in this thread when we were going to start shipping internationally and we said early 2013. We're excited to announce the early 2013 has come and the Hammer is ready to join the party worldwide :wave:!

    You can visit our blog or shipping page for details, country specific rates and ship times.

    If you don't see your country listed and you are interested in the Hammer, please email support@thehammervaporizer.com. We would be happy add options for additional countries (that USPS ships to) upon request. You can still use the FC Special Price link from post #1 to get the Hammer for a discount.
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  13. Hammer Vaporizer

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    Just a quick heads up that we are running a Super Bowl sale today through the end of the game on February 3rd.

    You can get a Hammer Vaporizer SUPER BOWL Bundle that includes 2 of the Extra Deep Mouthpieces (what we like to call our Super Bowls) for $109.99.

    You can also get the standard Hammer Vaporizer WITHOUT the bonus deep mouthpieces for $99.99 during the sale. Check out the blog post with full details at http://www.thehammervaporizer.com/b...hammer-vaporizer-super-bowl-bundle-for-109-99

    [​IMG]

    Also, today is the last day to submit entries for the Meme Contest. The contest has been AWESOME thanks to all of you on FC! If you haven't stopped by that thread to check out and vote for (like) some of the Hammer memes FC members have created, you really can't miss it. I guarantee you will:lmao:. See the link in my signature below.
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  14. guardian

    guardian Well-Known Member

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    just ordered, im wondering if silicone tubing could replace the glass stem similar to how an underdog connects, although it looks like the ud tubing is too thick to fit on it. nice looking vape the only flame powered ive used is the vaporstar but it was finniky to setup and use at times plus the aftertaste from using it wasnt good with a bic lighter, will be sharing my thoughts on this when it arrives i love simplicity,
  15. Hammer Vaporizer

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    This will work if you have silicone tubing the right size... the diameter of the heat exchanger is 8mm so you just need tubing that fits snugly and to make sure the walls of the tubing are thin enough to fit inside the outer casing. We have experimented with this a bit, but the glass stems have always been the best option both for usability and taste.

    The Hammer can really be adapted to be used in many different ways. When it comes down to it, it's really just like a lighter that delivers heated air for vaporization instead of flame for combustion. The glass stems that come with it are just a very basic vehicle for vapor delivery that we provide, but you can really create countless other vehicles to hold your material and deliver the vapor.

    I don't think I shared the pics below in this thread yet (sry if I did), but this is an example of a custom one hitter David made a few months ago for the Hammer...

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  16. Dopevape

    Dopevape Well-Known Member

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    Hello everyone, I'm a proud and happy owner of The Hammer for some time now and was thinking I should share some of my expiriences.
    First of all, this thing works! It gets me pretty high in the shortest ammount of time with least ammount of herb. This all depends on how high u turn the valve up. So you are able to do a laid back session on a lower temperature if you'd like and finish off with high temperature to really toast it or u can go straight to the highest temp for a quick blast or 2 it's all up to the user :).
    The Hammer is on good operating temp in as little as 30 seconds as has been said before, u can flick the valve/gasflow to highest setting to get a quick warm up, thats what i do, depends on what mood I'm in. then usually I set it lower like 40 %. There is a little fabrication line/gap in the black plastic casing(where it's connected or something) vertical on the gasvalve, and on the gasvalve u have the little markings to keep your thumb or whatever from slipping? this is what I use to finetune it, makes it really easy to try every setting and see how brown your abv comes out for example, or how dense u want your vapor to be. (So I use the fourth marking or 4 and a half... user preference)
    When I bought it I just had the standard glass tubes with smaller loading area, and at first i was being like hmm this is not going to be enough for me :p but guess what? its not even half bad for a user of my capacity. This is a good thing it really helps conserve and gets u settled with least ammount of herb. The standard glass tube can hold 0.1/0.2gr or something can't figure out the exact number right now but I fill it with a scoop like the one that comes with another butane powered vape i use, u know the one u have to fold into a spoon? max jitter get it?? ;-) yeah sorry didn't know if was allowed to name the vape in this thread. This spoon is the right ammount for the standard tube believe me its not much.. but u will be amazed about the vapor your able to pull off it its really something else! no bs. Or at least I never saw that before :).
    Anywayz I broke one of my tubes recently, i almost cried... But was able to get a hold of a few new ones including the newer versions like the one with the bigger loading area and the one with 2 positions to put your screen so u can decide what u want.
    Tried them both and like them very much :) they're great for attending some dark smoke party or some thing where u need a bigger load hehehe, one thing tho they do need a little stir after a hit to keep the airflow going but this has been said and is no biggy at all :) just bring a toothpick!!
    As for the one with the 2 positions to place the screen they're something else people can experiment with, being able to place your herb a little bit further from the heatsource might be a big up for the connaisseurs and tastelovers.
    All in all I love this vape because it can deliver at least what I need its easy to work with and it has a few possibilities I even tried hash with it! the screen was little dirty but yeah it works. at least the drier kind.
    I'm not gonna compare this to another vape cause thats not what this review is about, its just a review sort of about what i think about it and a little insight in how to use it. But again this is user preference.. so everyone is different.
    I have 4 vapes, one desktop and 3 portables, 2 butanes and one battery powered. I dunno which one i like best, check below my sig. Since ive got the Hammer ive been using it alot.
    Think i like it alot cause its easy to use. All u need is a can of butane and your up and running. No hasstle with loading times of your batteries for example. Only thing u have to watch for is when your can of gas is going empty hehe. Get lots of cans!!! hint
    I could go on about this vape but I think I covered about everything, or not... OH YEAH about the butane :) its hardly noticeable just when u start or fire it up I can smell it a bit but thats normal. You do not taste any butane comming through the tube!! Just wanted to make that one a clear one! The air you suck in comes in through a tube thats about 5 centimeters long and is pinched in the middle to restrict airflow and get it heated up, the flame is around that tube so theres no gas or something in there unless it makes a 180° turn back into the tube.. that's ridiculous to say the least but k just to point it out.
    One last thing, a full butane fill can last u as much as 2 days depends on how hard u use it, high temp low temp alot of vaping during day or not.. depends.
    Ok so i hope this will be usefull to some people.

    Want to thank The Hammer Team again for helping me out with my broken tube the service was second to none!!

    greetings fellow vapists

    KevBec

    bah... hope it is a bit decent... its too much hehe
  17. guardian

    guardian Well-Known Member

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    nice review :2c: i got my ups tracking and it should be here by friday atleast mayby tomorow if they make some ground in those brown trucks of theirs, its only 1 state away atm. my next purchase will probobly be a lotus due to it using an external lighter, im wondering if the lighter itself is availible from the hammer company because as with an iolite or anything the ignitor will eventually die as it just runs on a small battery, i expect it to last years but you never know. is the hammer threaded where the lighter meets the acual exchanger because i was thinking one of these could possible work as a backup http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Click-N-...690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abbd3d802 they look almost the same but the fuel adjustment is facing a slightly different way
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  18. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    The Hammer components are completely self contained and are not designed to be replaced. But you should also never have to service it... the Hammer is incredibly robust. I have several Hammers that still work just like new after more than two years of heavy use - more than 10,000 ignitions!!!

    The igniter is based on a piezo-electric igniter (no batteries). Portable vapes are incredibly hard on batteries and I made sure to avoid batteries at all costs. Batteries work well when they are new... but they soon lose their oomph and get slightly less functional after each use. Whereas the Hammer holds the same exact same amount of fuel no matter how many times you have refilled it.

    It always makes me laugh when I see someone using their "portable" vaporizer while it is plugged into a car.

    NO MORE wispy HITS!!!
    David
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  19. guardian

    guardian Well-Known Member

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    finally got off work and just had the pleasure of my first bowl off the hammer, my first impression was the glass tubes are very small but they acually hold a generous amount definatly more than a mz stem. first hit was very flavorful no other tastes detected. extremly impressed with the performance got a huge cloud :D with no burning in fact the herb didnt even brown. i do have the flame on low i cant imagine using it any higher but will do more testing in the upcoming week. all in all my first impression is id like to buy another one while its on sale ! i love having a backup unit, also some friends that have tried a vape and got a bad expririance may like this, there is a learning curve which i dont have to master as before i said i used to own a vaporstar, comparing the two the hammer wins in both flavor and not burning the herb... my vaporstar would scorch herb like no tomorow. totally worth the 110$ with the extra included bowls. now id just like to get the gong bowl and hit through some water :science: EDIT: i tried about 3/4th full flame but it keeps blowing itself out and releases a bunch of smelly butane , about 1/4 to 1/2 on the flame adjustment works great as is though its very sensitive to adjustment seemingly
  20. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    Glad that you like it!!

    I really only adjust the flame size to compensate for ambient temperature. I use my Hammer out in my glass shop (which can get pretty cold). If the butane is cold, then I have to turn it up to get the same flame size that I would normally use (at room temp). Same thing with elevation... the flame will get smaller as you go up a mountain, so you need to turn up the fuel to maintain the same flame size.

    The standard stem looks pretty small, but you will be surprised by the amount of dense vapor that it can produce.

    Fill up the deep stem... and make sure that you have a glass of water handy :D

    NO MORE wispy HITS!!!
    David
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  21. Dopevape

    Dopevape Well-Known Member

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    Yeah i noticed the same thing with the temperature being under zero atm here in my country it can take a little longer to get to optimal vaping temps. U need patience in this mission :D!!

    Hmm it keep blowing itself out he? try warming up the hammer body/tank a bit with your hands or put it between your legs a few to warm the gas tank up, might be that the gas is not on good temp I have had this same problem and I believe it was mentioned by David as well. Usually after a refill or after lying around a while in room with low temp can do that.
    I can also say I have used the hammer as well on high for whole session and did not have this occur to me.. but this can always be the cold making your gas a bit worse to actually combust :) or that is what i think. May always correct me on this ofcourse :D.
  22. guardian

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    the two hammers :cheers: [​IMG]
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] if the images are too large i will go back and edit as this is my first time trying pics
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  23. Head Tools

    Head Tools Active Member Manufacturer

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    The fuel settings cover a large range in order to make sure that the Hammer works at many different elevations. The same Hammer can work at sea level and on a mountain. The trade off for this flexibility is that not all of range is always useful to you. Someone that lives at a higher elevation will find the higher fuel setting to work properly and lower settings will be too small to make enough heat. Someone that lives by the ocean will find the lower settings to be more useful and the high settings to be unstable (I will guess that you live at a low elevation).

    I have a fuel setting that works best for me, and I rarely change it

    David
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  24. guardian

    guardian Well-Known Member

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    i think the problem was i needed to refill it, after refilling it had no problems staying lit. are their any plans to make a waterpipe or offer custom stems in the future? im wanting to find a 14mm hammer bubbler like the one in my pics but im having trouble finding one, ive yet to go find some orings or grommets to make it work with the one pictured but i think the two look neat together. suprised no one liked the pic but this thread is going a little slow, even the lotus thread hasnt had much activity, personally im converting to all butane vapes soon because i think their more convienient and powerful- the hit i had off the hammer today had me spinning :freak: - also they seem to cost signifigantly less than electric portables in terms of purchase price and operating cost imo. also an idea that would be nice for the stock stems would be a marble placed below the bowl to keep it from rolling off a table :2c: :peace:
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  25. guardian

    guardian Well-Known Member

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    i honestly couldnt find the edit button anywhere so if a mod sees this please merge them and thanks in advance. :chill: just wanted to say i went to the hardware store today and got a pack of various grommets in the plumbing section, and hooked my hammer vape up to my hammer bubbler :popcorn: with the top hat looking grommet it fit right into the bowl and stayed in place just fine with a super airtight seal ! :party: all i can say is WOW it was no trouble vaping at all and got huge rips in under a few minutes. very tasty and strong yet completely cool. using the hammer dry is a bit warm but nothing anyone cant handle. LOVING THIS VAPE so far props to the inventors! im not sure why but i ordered the iolite original first, next week im getting the lotus and mayby an extra hammer vape then my collection will be complete ! also my water testing was done with the Deep hammer bowls half filled.

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