Discontinued The Grasshopper

vapviking

Old & In the Way
ISO will not hurt the PCB, that part we can be sure of.
Is this leaning toward recommending a body-soak in iso alcohol? Or are there other components in the hopper body that might suffer from that? I've often been concerned about 'internal cleaning' and have not found compressed air to be always effective, especially for improving restricted draw.

I think this new dialog can only help to educate the user community and maybe even lead to fewer folks needing to send their hoppers in for repair. At a bare minimum it's helping heal some of the longer-term wounds.
 

Vaporific

All who wander are not lost...
We can't recommend soaking the whole backend right now. Among other things, we don't know how long various solvents will take to dry safely in different environments.
I wasn’t implying a complete soak & just surface cleaning. I wouldn’t soak completely anything or a part with electronics in it unless recommended. Thanks! I’ve only soaked the frontend completely, and typically brush it out and the chamber. I applied Blu Tack for the first time when my unit returned from RMA. Again, so far so good. Just need some new batteries (ahem). TGIF! :peace::peace:
 

Hopper Labs

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Is this leaning toward recommending a body-soak in iso alcohol? Or are there other components in the hopper body that might suffer from that? I've often been concerned about 'internal cleaning' and have not found compressed air to be always effective, especially for improving restricted draw.

I think this new dialog can only help to educate the user community and maybe even lead to fewer folks needing to send their hoppers in for repair. At a bare minimum it's helping heal some of the longer-term wounds.

Soaking the body fully is not a good idea at this time. Surface cleaning with a wet q-tip is great (let it dry out after). Using compressed air to blow out debris in the air holes should help keep things clear.
 

MonkeyTime

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I've been kinda sitting on my two GH's, waiting for things to improve.

While we might not be completely out of the woods just yet, I'm getting a much better feeling about the direction with this new communication. Thank you @Hopper Labs !

I think it's time to send them in and find my batteries to check on their condition.
 

BangBoomBang

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Is this still the most discreet vaporizer or are there any comparable devices on the market?

I am looking for a discreet on-demand vapor.
 

MoltenTiger

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Is this still the most discreet vaporizer or are there any comparable devices on the market?

I am looking for a discreet on-demand vapor.
I think that it is.

There are other small options, but not many that fit the bill quite as well;

-immediately pocketable
-fast and ninja
-100% convection for stash and toke ease

Nothing else is springing to mind. Plenty of other vapes just fall short of what I want when I'm on the go, I am never disappointed with the hopper for the above features. I typically do use something to cool down the draw from the hopper (14mm glass dome, oil rig, etc.) but in certain situations I don't mind using it just as it is. It's perfect for any trail of any description, MTB, hiking. Bloody ripper on the drives there and back too. I love having the power of a desktop unit and being untethered to a wall. I can get a week out of a small kit of batteries, Xtar MC2, power bank and the hopper.

I have been using the Sublimator pretty heavily for a few weeks now, so my tolerance is a bit beyond the hopper at this point, but it still surprises me how much of a punch it can pack. It has a really nice signature, with great retention of active chemicals in its extraction. Top quality for sure.

If you already have other vapes, it's time to upgrade. If you don't have vapes the jury is still out whether this is a top choice for an only vape. If it wasn't for the shaky history of device durability, then it would just about be the best vape for a one and only.

Interesting suggestion. We don't have any info on this approach and don't know too much about WD40 contact cleaner. Concerns might be making sure it fully dries out inside before operating the device/effects on the PCB. Maybe it works great. I will add a note to do a test here when there is some time.

For drying it out that is true with any liquid solvent. We can't recommend soaking the whole backend right now. Among other things, we don't know how long various solvents will take to dry safely in different environments.

ISO will not hurt the PCB, that part we can be sure of.

Soaking with contact cleaner is definitely something I'd be hesitant over. The accounts of it I saw (one from u/Slozukimc for eg.)
Figured what the hell, might as well try to fix it before dealing with RMA so I got my can of WD 40 Specialist contact cleaner and doused the shit out of the back end. I sprayed and turned and turned and sprayed and then let it sit to dry. I was skeptical but guess what? I put it together and it works like brand new again. The switch isn’t fussy like it was and it’s heating up like it should with steady lights.

Guess I will contact HL and cancel that RMA after all! Yes!!!!

So, doused / soaked -> a little different interpretation from my phrasing, I suspect. But, that action of contact cleaner being applied with the dial being turned could definitely be worth a shot, for cleaning the spring contacts and lessening that internal resistance.

However, do you guys know what kind of effect on extraction this resistance poses? It could improve battery life, but I saw no difference in my units extraction performance after cleaning the external contacts with intensive contact cleaning. Previously I have been using 600 grit glasspaper on the brass contacts, or just scraping off the obvious gunk that builds up there. It seems to take quite a lot of build up to have a noticeable performance drop in terms of extraction though.

I was testing out my HT unit (with the hot back end symptom) tonight and it does appear that the hot back end has been reduced substantially after cleaning the threads and battery contacts, but the actual performance remains the same. It doesn't run as hot as my other unit.
 

Choices

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Is this still the most discreet vaporizer or are there any comparable devices on the market?

I am looking for a discreet on-demand vapor.

In the realm of flower, I can’t think of anything similar. I often carry a smallish backup vape as well in case the GH develops issues. My backup is usually my MFLB. So essentially I have a pen, a matchbox and a AA battery in tow. The nice thing is the MFLB can serve as a stash holder as well if I have depleted the load in the GH.
 

Vaporific

All who wander are not lost...
Is this still the most discreet vaporizer or are there any comparable devices on the market?

I am looking for a discreet on-demand vapor.
HR Fury 2 or Edge come to mind (I have an F2). Not as fast heat up but it’s small, convection (mostly), and works for me. I only have portables and enjoy the freedom they provide.

To @MoltenTiger ’s point, the Hopper does pack a punch more so than the F2. I’ve noticed this since its return from RMA. I enjoy them both however and the F2 was my daily when my Hopper was in RMA for a year. Now that it’s back it’s nice to use them both alternately or together :):peace:.
 

MoltenTiger

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HR Fury 2 or Edge come to mind (I have an F2). Not as fast heat up but it’s small, convection (mostly), and works for me. I only have portables and enjoy the freedom they provide.

To @MoltenTiger ’s point, the Hopper does pack a punch more so than the F2. I’ve noticed this since its return from RMA. I enjoy them both however and the F2 was my daily when my Hopper was in RMA for a year. Now that it’s back it’s nice to use them both alternately or together :):peace:.
To even compare a vape to the Sublimator is a huge feat. It won't keep up, no vape can genuinely, but for a pen to be one of the strongest contenders - that is why the mantra is true, it's worth the wait for this marvellous pen
 

Vaporific

All who wander are not lost...
To even compare a vape to the Sublimator is a huge feat. It won't keep up, no vape can genuinely, but for a pen to be one of the strongest contenders - that is why the mantra is true, it's worth the wait for this marvellous pen
Not me, lol. I wouldn’t compare a portable to something akin to a desktop which Sublimator appears to be (to me anyway). I don’t own any desktops either but have used a few great ones; all were just fabulous in smoothness and effect (Aeromed was tops - it’s like an electric bong). I’m sure Sublimator is amazing.

My point was the Hopper hits harder than my Fury 2 (I have two of them) since it came back from RMA. Just saying and not complaining :). TGIF to all. :peace:
 

elykpeace

exVASted
Timber elite can keep up! @MoltenTiger

I'm getting the same extraction. I set my GH to 3 and got around 370° 5 around 420° or completely depleted and that was the only hopper I had that ever preformed as it should. Back end didn't get hot and it didn't flicker .. you guys should take a look at it.. portability and James bond Esq that's really the only diff. Even sold my fw6 thinking I needed the steath ... Don't sleep on this one
 

MoltenTiger

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Timber elite can keep up! @MoltenTiger

I'm getting the same extraction. I set my GH to 3 and got around 370° 5 around 420° or completely depleted and that was the only hopper I had that ever preformed as it should. Back end didn't get hot and it didn't flicker .. you guys should take a look at it.. portability and James bond Esq that's really the only diff. Even sold my fw6 thinking I needed the steath ... Don't sleep on this one
That Timber Elite does look really decent with its coil heater and inbuilt mod. It's quite bulky, but pretty cool looking. If I had any need for another vape..
 

Hopper Labs

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However, do you guys know what kind of effect on extraction this resistance poses? It could improve battery life, but I saw no difference in my units extraction performance after cleaning the external contacts with intensive contact cleaning. Previously I have been using 600 grit glasspaper on the brass contacts, or just scraping off the obvious gunk that builds up there. It seems to take quite a lot of build up to have a noticeable performance drop in terms of extraction though.

I was testing out my HT unit (with the hot back end symptom) tonight and it does appear that the hot back end has been reduced substantially after cleaning the threads and battery contacts, but the actual performance remains the same. It doesn't run as hot as my other unit.

The effect a hot backend will have on extraction will be somewhat dependent on use. If you draw really fast and hard normally then a hot backend will likely have a greater effect. What you said is likely true for most users. Where the bigger effect is less battery life and slightly longer heat up time.


Battery Update:

All testing was passed this last week. We approved the release on Thursday. Regulations prohibit more than 10,800 pcs being shipped in one batch (contract air freight). The first batch will leave HK Airport Monday and fly to Hawthorn, CA where they will go through the import process. After they will be delivered directly to our facility. This is enough of batteries to fulfill all the outstanding orders and plenty of new ones. Further shipments will follow this one. The production size was 50,000 before any loss.

*edit to add battery update
 
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slozukimc

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The effect a hot backend will have on extraction will be somewhat dependent on use. If you draw really fast and hard normally then a hot backend will likely have a greater effect. What you said is likely true for most users. Where the bigger effect is less battery life and slightly longer heat up time.


Battery Update:

All testing was passed this last week. We approved the release on Thursday. Regulations prohibit more than 10,800 pcs being shipped in one batch (contract air freight). The first batch will leave HK Airport Monday and fly to Hawthorn, CA where they will go through the import process. After they will be delivered directly to our facility. This is enough of batteries to fulfill all the outstanding orders and plenty of new ones. Further shipments will follow this one. The production size was 50,000 before any loss.

*edit to add battery update
Awesome news!! I will be placing an order to ship back with my Hopper!
 

NOLOGO

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Battery Update:

All testing was passed this last week. We approved the release on Thursday. Regulations prohibit more than 10,800 pcs being shipped in one batch (contract air freight). The first batch will leave HK Airport Monday and fly to Hawthorn, CA where they will go through the import process. After they will be delivered directly to our facility. This is enough of batteries to fulfill all the outstanding orders and plenty of new ones. Further shipments will follow this one. The production size was 50,000 before any loss.

Will the new batteries be labeled Model GHB3?
 

Hopper Labs

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Will the new batteries be labeled Model GHB3?

No. There are no revisions to the cell, so they remain GHB2. Due to an error at the label factory (a subcontractor to the battery factory), we are back to glossy labels for now.

We are in discussions to relabel some of the later shipments to matte but obviously did not want to hold up an already very delayed delivery with a gloss vs. matte detail.

GHB3 is a long term project, but the capital required to move to this new technology at this time is a barrier for us.
 

NOLOGO

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No. There are no revisions to the cell, so they remain GHB2. Due to an error at the label factory (a subcontractor to the battery factory), we are back to glossy labels for now.

We are in discussions to relabel some of the later shipments to matte but obviously did not want to hold up an already very delayed delivery with a gloss vs. matte detail.

GHB3 is a long term project, but the capital required to move to this new technology at this time is a barrier for us.
I understand about calling them GHB2, but that's truly a shame about the gloss wrap. In my experience they were less durable over time than the matte wraps. I had GHB1s and older GHB2s where the wrap sort of became "brittle" at the corners, eventually tearing. It nearly has the texture of security heat shrink wrap that comes on mouthwash/medicine/condiment bottles for instance.

At any rate the gloss will help identify my newer ones... and I can't wait for the improved power!
 

Macicman

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Hopper needs to modify their device to run on regular 18650 batteries. As a once/day microdoser I have never had battery issues. I rotate my two batteries every 2-3 months and only use the provided magnetic charger. Hopper is a dope gun.
 
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slozukimc

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Hopper needs to modify their device to run on regular 18650 batteries. As a once/day microdoser I have never had battery issues. I rotate my two batteries every 2-3 months and only use the provided magnetic charger. Hopper is a dope gun.
This reminds me of the old line......Is that a Persei in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
 

vapviking

Old & In the Way
@Hopper Labs , very excited about batteries!
But, as my order is very old, is there any chance that I (or any of us) will receive "new old stock", i.e., brand new but shelved for a year or two? I would increase my order but at the moment I'm inclined to wait...

Thanks again for being here and responding to our concerns.
 

Hopper Labs

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@Hopper Labs , very excited about batteries!
But, as my order is very old, is there any chance that I (or any of us) will receive "new old stock", i.e., brand new but shelved for a year or two? I would increase my order but at the moment I'm inclined to wait...

Thanks again for being here and responding to our concerns.

Certainly a valid concern but in this case, there is litterally no "new old stock" to send out.
 
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