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The Firefly 2 vaporizer

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by RobDaBomb, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. amethystwolf

    amethystwolf Well-Known Member

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    Yep, that's what I figured I would do. It seems weird to use the device itself as a charger, but so be it. :-)
     
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  2. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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  3. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Have a Firefly 2 coming next week :) Excited to try it out! (Especially for concentrates which is what I've really been hunting for ... a good on-demand concentrate vape :))
     
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  4. Pimpslapper

    Pimpslapper Well-Known Member

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    I got one coming next week too.
    I love my crafty but sometimes I need a very quick hit.
    Are there any third party chargers for the battery?
    Cheers
     
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  5. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Really interested to hear your thoughts about the FF2... if it was cheaper and with a smaller design I had already got one!

    Although maybe I have better to look at the FF1 since I haven't any fancy smartphone and don't plan to get one since it might be difficult to use it where I live. And since it might be possible to find one for cheap, isn't it?
    Is the FF1 able to vaporize concentrates with a mesh pad?
     
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  6. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    I've heard the FF2 and FF1 are not really in the same league ...
     
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  7. amethystwolf

    amethystwolf Well-Known Member

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    For those of you who have solved the red light issue by using an external charger - did you get the wall unit or the battery charger? I have a quick charge wall unit and a cable so I'll probably try that.

    I'm having the issue where the unit works for one or two hits then starts flashing red when I try again - even though the app says the battery is 75% full. I want to love this vape... but having issues so soon is concerning.
     
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  8. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    There’s a weird, known bug. If you leave a battery in an idle FF for several hours it can throw a flashing red despite the actual charge level.

    I work around it by keeping one battery charged, and always starting a session with the freshly charged battery. No matter what the charge level of the battery currently sitting in the FF. :2c:
     
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  9. amethystwolf

    amethystwolf Well-Known Member

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    So you probably have the external battery charger? Does keeping it on the doc between hits help? I think I’ll call them tomorrow to see if they will send me the external charger.
     
  10. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Yes I have the old one they made for the FF1....works for FF2 batteries also. Yes, if you docked the batteries anytime you set the FF down for more than a couple hours, that would solve this problem, albeit in a very work-around fashion.
     
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  11. Pimpslapper

    Pimpslapper Well-Known Member

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    Does one or two draws decarboxylate the weed even if not evenly toasted?
    I like really strong avb so wouldn't mind tossing the bowl into my avb stash after a couple tokes
    I just got mine today and will test tomorrow morning I cannot wait
     
  12. Pipiemcpipe

    Pipiemcpipe New Member

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    Buy the external charger. Its soo worth it. Didn't really want to spend the extra cash seeing we spent so much on unit . But trust me it was worth it
     
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  13. petey

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    Quick question: if you hold the mouthpiece close to your ear while the coil is heating up, should you hear an electrical buzzing noise? It's not usually loud enough to hear during normal use, but it's very clear when holding close to my ear. Sounds like a high-pitched transistor or something.

    I came back to Firefly during their big Thanksgiving sale, and have found my unit to be extremely finicky. It was giving me very little vapor or medical effects -- but then it would very suddenly combust with a poof of smoke -- as if a piece of dry paper had suddenly ignited. I've stabilized usage a bit by setting it to a Med-high setting, while calibrated to 106% (and not grinding my herb at all). But it's still not great. One or two medium-ok hits, and then it tastes like shit. Will still combust, but only if I surf the buttons. (At higher temps it would combust during its normal 30-second run, even though I've never ventured into the concentrate settings.)

    I was going to stay patient and keep working on my technique, but when I noticed the buzzing sound last night I wondered if it's time to return it. But maybe they all sound like that?

    Thanks, Pete
     
  14. buckhakeesah

    buckhakeesah Well-Known Member

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    Buzz is normal. Its the heater coil doing its thing. I have not combusted with the old or the new software. I can see it happening if you're riding on high or medium high with a tight pack or if you do not use the tapping method to mix up the goods.
     
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  15. fogbank

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    I also hear the buzz. It is normal.

    I've combusted a few times with both of my FF2 units. @petey - the trick to avoiding combustion is to keep the temps medium to medium-high, don't "surf" the buttons, and stir frequently (I stir after every two hits).
     
  16. petey

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    Ok, good to know the buzzing is normal. I'll keep working on my technique. Yeah, I do think I was loading it too full at first. Coming from larger-capacity vapes I also have to remember I won't get as many good hits with the Firefly before it goes sour. Thanks!
     
  17. Silveradio

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    I’ve had my FF2 since they were originally released back in early to mid 2016. Heard the buzz peeps were talking about but was too faint for me to worry about. Probably cause al the music I’ve played over the past 30 years or so. I have never combusted with my unit yet and I usually ride at high with a 106 tuning. I’ve used different techniques to load with. My favorite is “stickstones” method by putting a bud the size of the bowl in there and packing it a bit. Then take about three hits, flip the bud take three more and finally crumble and get approx. three to four more hits before it’s spent. Works real good imo and still no combustion.
     
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  18. petey

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    Last night I finally had a really satisfying session with my new FF. Partly because of a tip here up-thread about drawing more vigorously. But I think my main stumble was packing too tightly. In my defense, I thought I was following FF instructions -- filling slightly above the bowl's brim. But that's pretty subjective, since it depends on how firmly one presses it all in.

    Ironically, less material, barely ground, often stirred, leads to a longer, smoother, better tasting, harder hitting session. I think I'm now getting the hang of it, and appreciating its potential.
     
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  19. vapen00b

    vapen00b various on-demand full convection units

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    Hey peeps,


    I was wondering, if you have the new app and firmware installed, can you change temps on the device itself, without the app? Not only the temp steps but the actual temperate in certain increments, is that possible?

    Thanks for your knowledge... Sticks' method sure works like a treat - in every good vape ;) :)
     
  20. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    You can choose from one of seven presets. That’s as granular as you can get.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-firefly-2-vaporizer.20281/page-220#post-1161955
     
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  21. Pimpslapper

    Pimpslapper Well-Known Member

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    I have had three sessions now on the same bowl and each time I got flashing red lights at least five times before it worked.
    I tried switching out the battery to no avail.
    When I finally got it to work I got very satisfying clouds. Much bigger than expected and almost as big as on my crafty. I use both at 175c.
    I hope the flashing red goes away because if not it is going back
    I spent almost two minutes getting it to work the last time which eliminates the only advantage over the crafty it has.
     
  22. petey

    petey Active Member

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    Flavor...

    Hoping to compare notes to see if others experience similar trade-offs. Now that I'm getting a pretty good assortment of vapes I'm noticing certain patterns.

    (I use a medium-high quality herb, typically stored at 60-62 percent relative humidity.)

    It could be said that my new FF2 has the best flavor, but within three or four draws it produces a distinctly sour flavor (bypassing the less-obnoxious "popcorn" stage). Does anyone else feel that the best-tasting vapes also produce the worst-tasting flavor after the first few hits?

    By contrast, my Plenty creates the least-interesting flavor from the start (although it's fine) -- but then keeps producing powerful clouds that still taste harmless as the material is being spent. I.e., both vapes produce usable medicine past the first few draws (as judged by vapor and effects), but, while the Plenty starts to taste a little like cotton balls, the FF tastes god-awful.

    I'm finding it's a nice luxury to have multiple vaping options -- and I do keep alternating between them depending on my mood and needs. For what it's worth, here's my comparison of my current vapes (leaving out a couple of other crappy ones that I don't touch anymore):

    FF2- Good for quick, light, pleasant sessions (not for getting hammered). It's finicky and delicate, like my old Fiat convertible. A pleasure to drive when it was working, but you always wonder what's going to go wrong next -- or when billows of foul smoke will suddenly erupt. Nice that it uses unground material well. Oddly, its small chamber is not that much smaller than some other vapes (including my Plenty with its reducer), yet it seems to produce far fewer worthwhile draws. So, if I need to get highly medicated it's too much trouble, as it requires a refill or two (with cleanings, stirrings, etc). Everything about it is more hands-on than I sometimes want (even holding down those buttons when it starts to get too hot).

    Arizer Air (original) -- Probably my favorite all-around vape for carefree use. Tastes almost as good as the FF2, but, like the FF, suffers from bad taste after a few draws (but not as few as the FF). Much less finicky, however, and I love the form-factor (being able to load the glass tube/bowl by simply scooping it into ground herb). Its main downside is that it takes 2-3 minutes to heat up. But it can be stuffed tight with ground material, and one (economical) bowl can leave me highly medicated. It only has four settings, but I can easily "surf" the temperature, mainly with draw speed and using my mouth as carburetor. Requires no stirring, just a bit of shaking, and occasionally backward blowing (gently blowing into mouthpiece to loosen material that is blocking air flow). Very easy to clean and maintain (typically just brushing, until the glass tubes get gross enough to soak in alcohol). Battery only lasts about six months (with regular use), and replacements cost about $15.

    Flytlab Lift -- A great economical option. Does everything medium well. Tastes medium good throughout session. Heats up medium fast (about 30 seconds). Medium-large chamber. Its mouthpiece includes a nifty plunger for re-packing ground material midway through session without opening chamber. The tiny holes on this plunger, however, can easily get clogged with sticky material, but I find a quick backward blow takes care of this just fine. It powers off automatically way too soon, but that encourages surfing through the four temperatures, which keeps the power on, and also regulates the vapor. Cleaning is not as easy as the Arizer, but on par with the FF, where it helps to have alcohol pads nearby.

    Plenty -- Best for baking, even with the reducer chamber, which looks about the same size as the FF, but gives me many more big, cloudy hits. I stuff it with ground herb as tight as possible, because the draw resistance is almost zero. It works best by drawing fast and aggressively (whereas the others, with more resistance, require more sipping, and sometimes mouth-carb techniques). Takes several minutes to heat up, and tastes fairly cotton-like throughout. Almost never needs cleaning. Has no battery, so feels like it will continue working, carefree, forever.
     
  23. MinnBobber

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    Not my experience with some vapes as my miniVAP is my best tasting vape AND the taste never gets below "meh" or below a flat neutral taste and it never goes to popcorn. :clap:
     
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  24. Pimpslapper

    Pimpslapper Well-Known Member

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    If you don't stir with the ff2 it gets rank.
    I find the crafty delivers a better overall over the bowl taste but the ff2 excels for me that I can hit the same bowl over a day or three with a little stir and it still tastes great.
    Crafty for huge sessions with friends
    Ff2 for single quick tokes on the go
     
  25. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    I think this is a function of pure convection vapes, at least in my experience. Convection gives you the best flavor as you're getting pure flavored hits as soon as the weed is heated up....conduction heats up the weed before you draw, ensuring you often get slightly stale or even over-cooked hits.

    The downside to convection IME is that as the first few hits get depleted, you end up drawing hot air over material that is more and more cooked, and each hit degrades proportionally.

    Tangentially....one of the interesting things about the Mighty is that its use of a hybrid approach of both conduction and convection seems to ensure that as the good flavor passes, you are left with just less flavor, not burned or charred tasting hits. I've yet to use a convection vape that accomplishes this, or that doesn't end up having less-than-desirable flavor after the peak hits are exhausted.

    Lots of good things about both conduction and convection. Flavor seems to be a key difference in each, both in peak flavor and how it degrades over the course of a session. :2c:
     
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