The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Trump and HRC were at the same yacht party schmoozing to find donors when the boat exploded. Trump and HRC were the only ones to make it to a life raft. Unfortunately the raft landed on a deserted island and they were never found. Question: Who survived?

Answer: The American People :lmao:
 

macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
Staff member
Magazine cover in Mexico
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gangababa

Well-Known Member
Video of Trump's testimony, under oath, from June 2016, has been released.

"The depositions are related to Trump’s $200 million project to transform the Old Post Office building — a taxpayer-owned landmark just five blocks from White House — into a luxury hotel. Trump’s company won the right to develop the project by making numerous promises to the government that he failed to keep." (ganga baba emphasis)

The big take away from the under oath, video deposition, is hearing Trump, in his own voice, admitting that he does not think about the consequences of his actions.

Trump fails both intermediate Bhagavad Gita and elementary school kindergarten.
Trump does not deserve the keys to the executive toilets.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Targeting former Miss Universe, Donald Trump goes off the rails
09/30/16 09:22 AM—Updated 09/30/16 09:48 AM

By Steve Benen
One of the most memorable moments of this week’s presidential debate came at the very end of the event. Hillary Clinton noted an incident in which Trump called a Miss Universe pageant contestant “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” because she was Latina.

“Donald, she has a name,” Clinton said. “Her name is Alicia Machado. And she has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet she’s going to vote this November.”

The smart move for Trump would have been to change the subject and stick to issues that play in his favor. The day after the debate, however, the Republican did the opposite, calling into Fox News to complain – unprompted – about Machado’s weight. Trump campaign surrogates, including former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, quickly piled on.

Four days after the debate, Trump still can’t help himself.

The GOP nominee unleashed a tweetstorm early Friday in which he called Alicia Machado “disgusting” and ripped into Hillary Clinton for mentioning her in the first presidential debate.

The purported “sex tape” appears to be a reference to reports about explicit footage from Machado’s time on a Spanish reality television show called “The Farm.”
Note, in one of his early-morning tweets, Trump specifically urged Americans to “check out” a non-existent “sex tape” – making the 2016 Republican the first major-party presidential nominee to encourage the public to seek out porn. (Congrats, again, Christian conservatives.)

Gingrich, meanwhile, has begun equating the former Miss Universe with Benghazi because, well, just because.

Honestly, is there something in the water?

Where does one even start with a story like this? Do you focus on the fact that Trump published this bizarre series of tweets around 5 a.m.? Do you emphasize Trump’s apparent belief that the former beauty queen is “disgusting”? Do you note that the GOP nominee escalating a feud with a sympathetic Latina woman – who isn’t a politician or a candidate for public office – serves no electoral purpose?

All of those things are true, of course, but for me, one of the broader takeaways is Trump’s pattern of self-destructive behavior. Note, for example, that Trump made racist comments about Judge Gonzalo Curiel, and when a controversy ensued, the Republican candidate doubled and tripled down on the attacks, refusing to back off, no matter the consequences.

In August, Trump sparked a new controversy with his criticism of Khizr and Ghazala Khan, but even as the feud became politically damaging, Trump just wouldn’t let up.

Now, with Alicia Machado, he’s doing it again – without regard for basic human decency or even his own political wellbeing.

Presidents need impulse control. Is anyone seriously prepared to argue Donald J. Trump is even keeled and knows how to keep his cool when the pressure’s on?
 

gangababa

Well-Known Member
"Donald Trump told America to check the sex tape, and unfortunately for him, what was found was the Republican candidate for president’s appearance in a Playboy adult film."
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"Andrew Kaczynski of Buzzfeed went looking for the tape and what he found was Donald Trump in adult film:"
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"One might think that Trump would be hurt by this revelation that the porn tape he has was talking about was really his own, but porn is big business in Republican country. Eight of the top ten porn consuming states in the US are red. "
 

gangababa

Well-Known Member
How do we look ourselves in a mirror? We ugly Americans, the USA (us all), who call our selves Americans, and behave in deplorable ways, such as our stealing near-exclusive use of the name America from Canadians and South Americans. Obviously this country has long since out-sourced humanity regarding Mexicans, and Muslims, such that they are no longer people to Trump's pets. Well maybe 4/5th a person like a constitutionally enshrined underclass.*

I read here valid criticisms of US foreign and military policy. These are issues to be discussed, addressed and fixed.
These are issues rooted deep in the dark capitalist heart of America. No one of the four parties seeking the Presidency will be able to fix the problem in four years.
Bombs and bullets sustain too much of out GDP. The US must sell the surplus internationally to keep the market going for the benefit of Capitalist murderers.
Wall Street, not Washington, is the root cause of 2nd amendment remedies being exported around the world.
It needs to be stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Success by any of three of the parties seeking the Presidency guarantees a Republican controlled government for four years.

If that means nothing to you, then you are in complete ignorance of what the Republican party today wants, promises and represents. Forget the past. That perhaps rational Republican party does not exist.
The party today advertises its plans for our pains. If you are reading this, you will suffer.
Pot will not prevail when Nevada millennials will vote for legalization but not Hillary, thus letting the Republicans win. You can't have both.

Four years of 100% Republican control will allow them to outlaw abortion, restrict contraception, limit divorce, build bigger prisons, sell off the commons, lower taxes for the most greedy, cut social support for the most needy, legalize discrimination, hammer the final nails in FDR's coffin, allow the sick to die quickly, allow the homeless to spread freely (into those smug, rural, Christian, little towns of total ignorance about urban reality); women will lose but Mexicans will go home because their economy will be better that the "American" economy.
The bridges will collapse, the roads crumble, cities will die, farm-markets fail, but our stinking toilets will be pure.

The Republican party today is deplorable and dangerous to we 'estadounidenses'
And yes, I am willing to speak in hyperbole because my poor ox will be gored by a third Republican depression. These last eight years have been slow to recover ONLY because of Reaganism**, which is alive and well in the Republican party today, where rich or poor, the party-goers don't know, or don't care enough to piss in a pot rather than on you.

*The tribe that today rejects the constitutionally granted right to abortion, is descended from those who never accepted the constitutional right to full citizenship of former slaves and the descendants of former slaves.

*Reaganism: The political philosophy that successfully infected USA, starting in California and reaching the east coast by 1981.
Reaganism is the philosophy of leading a government based upon the enshrined idea that no good can come from government, except jobs for them and graft for friends.
 
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Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Here is what they want in their own words:

NO ABORTION EVER
Death penalty for anyone who gets an abortion or is involved in an abortion.

• We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

• “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

• “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

• “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

• “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”

• “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

• “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

• “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

• “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

• “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

• “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

• “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

• “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

• “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

• “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

• “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

• “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

• “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

• “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

• “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

• “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

• “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

• “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

• “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

• “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

Every single one of these ideas is rooted in Ayn L Rand John Birch Society dogma. Paul Ryan, the K0chs, Gary Johnson and the rest of the libertarian conservative billionaires and members of the libertarian and Libertarian GOP party are as extremist as one can get.
 

gangababa

Well-Known Member
Here is what they want in their own words:
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• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
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I was uncertain whether the list in @Silat 's post was that of the Republican or the Libertarian Party.
The overlap is considerable.

Regarding the US Constitutionally mandated Post Office, in 2006 the Bush administration Republican Party passed a law requiring the P.O, within ten years, to prepay 75 years of retirement benefits.*
They are building a yuuuge tranche of money to be ripped off by the privateers of Capitalism when the the P.O. is privatized.

Private industry has more than proved its willingness to rip off pensions.

When all has been privitized and there is nothing left to extract and exploit, then the gig economy becomes the serf economy and the (not) nobles begin again their 'king-of-the-hill' dark ages reign-of-terror; history echoing itself.

*ALL Bernie Bros should know this!
Alas, youth is finite, fragile and fickle.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The Millionaires Who Disagree With Trump on Taxes
Tax me more, they say.

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Two members of the Patriotic Millionaires, Tal Zlotnisky and Abigail Disney, at the White House in 2012.
America likes the idea of the self-made man, the man who starts his own business, pulls himself out of obscurity, and becomes a success.

Over time, some Americans have started to believe that a self-made man should also be a selfish man. That a millionaire shouldn’t pay taxes because they’ll only be “squandered,” that a smart businessman roots for the economy to collapse so he can buy real estate cheaply, that taxes on business should be lowered so the wealthy can do better. In much of America, that attitude is regarded as an important component of how a self-made man succeeds—applauded, because it’s thought to be a sign of the vigor of America.

But plenty of millionaires feel differently. Some contest the notion of a self-made man altogether, arguing that anyone successful has relied on government spending—infrastructure, an educated workforce, enforceable contracts—to make their mark. Some of them even believe that paying more taxes and investing in public services is the way to more prosperity—for everyone. “What I’m talking about is what policies will not just help me personally, but that I think will be good for our country and my kids' generation,” Morris Pearl, a former managing director at the investment fund BlackRock, told me. He added, “I don’t want to live in a country where a few people do amazingly well and everyone else does poorly, because anyone, including me and my kids, may end up not being one of the winners.”

Pearl is the chair of a group called the Patriotic Millionaires, a coalition of some 200 rich people that is advocating for the end of trickle-down economic thinking. They want rich people to pay higher taxes, they want a higher minimum wage, and they want less money in politics. Their platform may sound altruistic, but much of it is a matter of business. “Businesspeople, investors, want to make money—that’s how they got to be at the top,” Pearl told me. “If we live in a nation with a lot of people that can’t participate, we can’t make money from these people.” In other words, how can developers make money off of real estate if there’s no one with enough money to buy it?

Patriotic Millionaires was founded in 2010 when Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry’s, the trial lawyer Guy Saperstein, and a few dozen other wealthy Americans signed a letter to President Obama asking the president to let the Bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy expire. “We have done very well over the last several years. Now, during our nation’s moment of need, we are eager to do our fair share,” they wrote. Cohen is no longer an official member, but the group now includes the Harvard Law School professor Lawrence Lessig, the television writer Norman Lear, the Men’s Wearhouse founder George Zimmer, and Abigail Disney, the granddaughter of Roy O. Disney.

One of the group’s central tenets is that paying taxes is part of one’s patriotic duty. Members of the Patriotic Millionaires believe that they have been able to succeed in part because their taxes supported infrastructure and other services that helped them along the way. “You only become rich by living in a nation that gives you all the things you need to become rich, like infrastructure, education, and a workforce, and mostly, a population of people who can afford to buy things,” Pearl said. “Those are the things you need to have to become a wealthy businessperson.”

I asked Pearl what he thought of Donald Trump’s plan to lower taxes on corporate revenues from 35 percent to 15 percent. He told me he and his fellow Patriotic Millionaires don’t believe that making the rich richer helps make everyone else less poor. When wealthy people get more income, they save it, he told me. When poorer people get more income, they spend it, which helps the overall economy. Instead of reduced corporate taxes, he wants to see a higher estate tax, changes to the tax code so that income from investments is taxed at the same rate as income from salary, and the closure of the carried-interest tax loophole, through which investment-fund partners are allowed to pay lower taxes on their income.

With 200-odd members, Patriotic Millionaires only represents a small percentage of the rich in America. According to the Tax Foundation, a nonprofit, there were about 268,000 tax returns reporting more than $1 million in adjusted gross income in 2010, and there are likely even more people who have more than $1 million in total assets. But Pearl thinks more people will come around. A small group of rich people has convinced America that to be rich, one also has to be selfish. Now, Pearl and his colleagues are trying to tell the country otherwise.

Billionaires on Donald Trump: What Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and more have to say | Newsday
Newsday › news › nation › billionaires-o...
Sep 10, 2016 - The founder of Bloomberg LP and worth an estimated $40 billion, he criticized Trump's business skills, saying, "Trump says he wants to run the nation like he's running his business? God help u

 
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Tranquility

Well-Known Member
Regarding the US Constitutionally mandated Post Office, in 2006 the Bush administration Republican Party passed a law requiring the P.O, within ten years, to prepay 75 years of retirement benefits.*
They are building a yuuuge tranche of money to be ripped off by the privateers of Capitalism when the the P.O. is privatized.
Let's not go to far into silly land. My state (CA) has, by any measure, at least 1/3 of a trillion dollars in unfunded pensions and health care promises sitting out on the books. That is, money is promised to now and future retirees that has not been "saved" and invested in a fund to pay for it. The cool thing is, THAT is if we use the actuarial assumption that people won't live any longer in the future AND that the government pension board gets 7.5% return on investment of funds in the accounts.

What do you get on your saved money right now? Me? I get WAY less than 7.5%. If we imagine they can actually get 4% on the investment, the state is only short a trillion dollars. I'm sure that when those that retire need the money promised, no one will mind the shifting of funds from road repair, police, fire, etc. to former employees that make benefits far in excess to the rest of the population with a willing heart and generosity.

Pension funds are a ticking time bomb that are woefully underfunded. When they come due, the shortfall is usually covered by the full faith and credit of the government. For the moment we will not include social security and medicare in the underfunding calculations as that opens a whole new discussion. We will also ignore coal companies multi-employer benefits guaranteed by the government at the same time they are being put out of business.

The bottom line is that if pension funds are not fully funded, EITHER taxes will go up for all who work to an unprecedented level in the U.S. (A goal some want, admittedly.) to pay for them, OR, the retirees are fucked.
 

ClearBlueLou

unbearably light in the being....
Let's not go to far into silly land. My state (CA) has, by any measure, at least 1/3 of a trillion dollars in unfunded pensions and health care promises sitting out on the books. That is, money is promised to now and future retirees that has not been "saved" and invested in a fund to pay for it. The cool thing is, THAT is if we use the actuarial assumption that people won't live any longer in the future AND that the government pension board gets 7.5% return on investment of funds in the accounts.

What do you get on your saved money right now? Me? I get WAY less than 7.5%. If we imagine they can actually get 4% on the investment, the state is only short a trillion dollars. I'm sure that when those that retire need the money promised, no one will mind the shifting of funds from road repair, police, fire, etc. to former employees that make benefits far in excess to the rest of the population with a willing heart and generosity.

Pension funds are a ticking time bomb that are woefully underfunded. When they come due, the shortfall is usually covered by the full faith and credit of the government. For the moment we will not include social security and medicare in the underfunding calculations as that opens a whole new discussion. We will also ignore coal companies multi-employer benefits guaranteed by the government at the same time they are being put out of business.

The bottom line is that if pension funds are not fully funded, EITHER taxes will go up for all who work to an unprecedented level in the U.S. (A goal some want, admittedly.) to pay for them, OR, the retirees are fucked.
Respectfully suggest that your pension-fund example is exactly OPPOSITE of what the GOP congress has imposed on the USPS: they must put aside the cash equivalent of ((retirement benefit $ * 75 years) * every current postal employee)) - that is not a fund such as you speak of: it's paying everyone's FULLEST PENSION UP FRON, IN CASH - OR ELSE.

The reason is because the USPS is explicitly mandated as a service the Federal government shall provide - that makes it hard for the constitution-loving patriots in Congress to kill it and privatize it, so they're trying to make it strangle itself.

Reminder: "ownership society" does not mean 'everybody gets to own a piece'; it means 'everyone and everything gets owned'.

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BTW, the wealth agents in command of the US govt have no problem with unfunded pension plans: corporations are allowed to invalidate and repudiate and renege on pension obligations all the time here. And so, hate the government...and make them even less able to protect us from their feudal overlords....
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Trump and his team continue to deride the media and debate-moderators for being on HRC's side. Mostly because they try to get to the truth. I've yet to see a moderator hammer home the word 'Lie or untruth' when talking to a candidate directly. They will say things like 'Didn't you state, blah, blah, blah,'. The media do publish or comment on the validity of statements made which IS THEIR JOB.

I have a solution.....lets have all politicians be required to accept a surgically implanted shock device on one side of their mouth. When they lie they get a shock that forces them to talk out of the other side of their mouth. Sounds fair to me since that's what their doing anyway. The bigger the lie the bigger the electro-shock. If it causes drooling...that would be added value. If the lie is extra large the shock should cause them to wet themselves.

I'm so tired of watching the professional politicians and their minions defer and deflect the truth that I think the above is badly needed.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Call me stupid but what I don't understand is that Trump's dad gave him 14 million. We don't know if Trump is even worth that much money, when we are talking billionaire. I'm talking about actually money - he may have many loans out - many people he owes money to. We know he tries to avoid paying his bills and his taxes.

I wonder about the vice presidential talking points Tues night? Both candidates having fairly nice manners compared to Trump. It might be a bit boring. The Trump - Clinton televised presidential debate is only a week away. The election is 37 days away. I just want it to be over. When it's over will it really be over? I don't want to be hearing Trump being a sore loser and hearing "it was rigged." If Hillary wins and I hope she does.

Gary Johnson doesn't even believe in close to what Bernie believes in. It doesn't makes sense that the Bernie folks would go his way. Do they know what Gary Johnson believes in? Thats fine if you believe in the liberatarian platform. In most cases it seems like a protest vote. Pissed off voters. I hope that doesn't get Trump elected. I'm just sayin. Your vote is your personal decision. Bill Wells said Hillary is ready to be president just the other day.

By the way, we are a small business and we pay our fair share of taxes. There are write offs and we need those but for Trump or other rich people not paying any taxes is a crime. You shouldn't be eligible for Socisl Scurity benefits if you are a millionaire either.

I wonder if Trump is pissed off with Alec Baldwin making fun of him as portraying him on SNL? it was very funny. Also ridiculing the Trump older children in a parody.

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SNL Comparing the two phones with Hillary and Trump was great. Do we want the IPhone 7 - it's being forced on us or do we want the Samsung Galaxy that will explode at any minute? Ha ha ha :lol::leaf:
 
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gangababa

Well-Known Member
When this election is over, the reality based 'we' among USA, are going to be vexed by the increasingly rabid ignorance festering in the minds of those who bow to mendacity.
And some of them are, I suppose, not deplorable.
However, too many are truly unhinged and over-armed.

This from the New York Time's article demonstrating Trump's unwillingness to part with a shilling for even veterans. Sad!

"Because the documents sent to The Times did not include any pages from Mr. Trump’s 1995 federal tax return, it is impossible to determine how much he may have donated to charity that year. The state documents do show, though, that Mr. Trump declined the opportunity to contribute to the New Jersey Vietnam Veterans’ Memorial Fund, the New Jersey Wildlife Conservation Fund or the Children’s Trust Fund. He also declined to contribute $1 toward public financing of New Jersey’s elections for governor."

I always gave my dollar for public financing, before I became too poor and wealth-less to owe taxes.
Seems my entire life has been an overtaxed, net-operating-loss.

Adding this from some other anonymous basement philosopher, considering the selfishness of Trump (et al) in being takers (from USA) who will not pay their fair share, nor even promised owed payments.

"And, seriously... where would business be today in the US if not for government FREEBIES? Freebies such as free limited liability protections for corporate owners and free intellectual property monopolies such as patents, copyrights, and trademarks? Why isn't liability protection purchased from the private sector AS INSURANCE so legitimate creditors aren't shafted in corporate bankruptcies while the personal wealth of corporate owners is shielded?"
 

Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
I was uncertain whether the list in @Silat 's post was that of the Republican or the Libertarian Party.
The overlap is considerable.

Regarding the US Constitutionally mandated Post Office, in 2006 the Bush administration Republican Party passed a law requiring the P.O, within ten years, to prepay 75 years of retirement benefits.*
They are building a yuuuge tranche of money to be ripped off by the privateers of Capitalism when the the P.O. is privatized.

Private industry has more than proved its willingness to rip off pensions.

When all has been privatized and there is nothing left to extract and exploit, then the gig economy becomes the serf economy and the (not) nobles begin again their 'king-of-the-hill' dark ages reign-of-terror; history echoing itself.

*ALL Bernie Bros should know this!
Alas, youth is finite, fragile and fickle.

Kissin cousins are the GOPLibertarian Party and the Libertarian Party.
All one has to do is check who is in charge of the GOP. It is top loaded with antigovernment libertarian politicians and money people like the K0CHS and many others.
 

Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Respectfully suggest that your pension-fund example is exactly OPPOSITE of what the GOP congress has imposed on the USPS: they must put aside the cash equivalent of ((retirement benefit $ * 75 years) * every current postal employee)) - that is not a fund such as you speak of: it's paying everyone's FULLEST PENSION UP FRON, IN CASH - OR ELSE.

The reason is because the USPS is explicitly mandated as a service the Federal government shall provide - that makes it hard for the constitution-loving patriots in Congress to kill it and privatize it, so they're trying to make it strangle itself.

Reminder: "ownership society" does not mean 'everybody gets to own a piece'; it means 'everyone and everything gets owned'.

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BTW, the wealth agents in command of the US govt have no problem with unfunded pension plans: corporations are allowed to invalidate and repudiate and renege on pension obligations all the time here. And so, hate the government...and make them even less able to protect us from their feudal overlords....


Word.
The poison pill in the USPS (sponsored by UPS FEDEX antigovernment Libertarians and conservatives with the help of some blue dogs) case has one outcome and one outcome only.
That outcome is the privatization of the constitutionally mandated USPS.
That is just the tip of the antigovernment privatization plans of the reich wing.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
So, there is a part of me that keeps saying, out loud, that America doesn't elect someone like Donald Trump. America couldn't be fooled by such a man, his gambit too obvious, his ideas too odious. We have learned too many lessons, we have witnessed too much ugliness coming right out of his gob. There is no way to miss him, so America really really couldn't do it...

And then there are those times when I feel less sure and more nervous. Like this writer feels...

The Day of the Deranged: Part II
by D.R. Tucker
October 2, 2016 3:15 PM

Most progressives were thrilled after Hillary Clinton’s dominant debate performance last Monday night over Donald Trump. Me? I was scared to death.

I couldn’t help thinking of the millions of Americans who couldn’t hear Clinton’s words because they are deaf to facts, who have been brainwashed into believing that Trump is Clinton’s intellectual and moral equal, who look at Clinton and see a demonic bureaucrat who will take money from hard-working whites and hand it out to ghetto and barrio residents on welfare. There are still too many Americans who have been indoctrinated into this sort of idiocy…and they could still constitute a voting majority.

Trump could still win. Make no mistake. If he does, we must conclude that, with regard to the American electorate, sexism has far greater power than racism: an African-American man can have a good shot at the White House, but a woman, no matter how accomplished, will still run into a concrete ceiling created by those who will always prefer to have a President with a penis (even if that President is an apparent tax dodger).

If Trump wins, we must also conclude that the long right-wing effort to delegitimize public service has succeeded beyond all imagination, that right-wing radio and Fox News and the bigot blogosphere have finally accomplished all of their grotesque goals, that the country has been fully contaminated by crassness. Let us not forget: Richard Nixon had more decency than the current nominee of his party. After all, you never heard Nixon speaking pruriently about Tricia or Julie.

What will it say about our country, our humanity, our values, our morals if a man can go from shaving Vince McMahon’s head in 2007 to taking the Oath of Office in 2017?

On October 30, just a few days before the election, the National Geographic Channel is scheduled to broadcast the documentary Before the Flood, produced by and starring Leonardo DiCaprio, which documents the savage impact that human-caused climate change is inflicting upon our world. DiCaprio has suggested that he wants this documentary to influence the election, but that dream is likely to be deferred permanently because of the legions of Americans who have been taught by right-wing media to a) view DiCaprio as a elitist punk who lectures working-class Americans about their SUVs and b) view Trump as a climate expert. Only the climate-concerned left and certain folks in the center will watch this important film, and that’s a shame.

In a sick way, Trump has already won this election. He has already demonstrated that obnoxiousness has its benefits, that hate can make you a hero, that the mainstream media can be bullied and intimidated with little effort, that celebrity can make you a deity.

“What’s America without greed and glamour?” asked the hip-hop artist Kamaal “Q-Tip” Fareed 25 years ago. If Trump wins, the answer to that question will be “Nothing.” The election of Trump would not just be an endorsement of his misogyny and his mendacity towards Muslims and Mexicans, it would also be a thumbs-up to his vanity and self-love, a shout-out to his nationalism and jingoism. It would represent America telling the rest of the world to drown (something that Trump’s pro-fossil-fuel energy policies would almost certainly bring about).

This election is a moral test. Will America fail miserably? We’ll find out soon enough.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
FOX never ceases to amaze me. This was their front page headline on their site as of 2 minutes ago:

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This is what was in their story in total:
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"Bernie Sanders on Sunday acknowledged being bothered by Hillary Clinton’s unflattering perception of the young Americans who backed his longshot primary bid against Clinton, saying their campaigns still have “real differences,” despite their joint effort to defeat Donald Trump.

“Of course it does,” Sanders, a Vermont senator, told CNN’s “State of the Union,” in response to a question about whether Clinton’s remarks at a fundraiser amid their hotly contested Democratic primary bothered him. “We have real differences.”

Clinton characterized the young voters -- impassioned by Sanders' populist message and who still have yet to embrace Clinton -- as “living in their parents’ basement” and disenfranchised about the future, according to a 49-minute audiotape of the February fundraiser, purportedly found in a hacked email, then given to The Washington Free Beacon, which first reported the story.

"If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to being a barista . . . then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing," Clinton also says in the audio tape, describing her thoughts after talking to a young African-American voter.

Clinton, like her Republican rival Trump, will need the youth vote to win the presidency.

However, Clinton continues to struggle with the voting bloc, which includes many college students, like those who helped Barack Obama win two terms and who frequently back liberal candidates."
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And now..........the following clip that was aired on CNN is what Fox was referring to in the article above, yet in the clip Bernie, rather than feeling "berned", actually agreed with Clintons remarks, which of course, FOX never mentions. Here's that clip from the "State of the Union" interview:


Unfuckingbelievable. Talk about taking things out of context and not only out of context but applying his answer to a totally different question. I guess FOX is banking on the fact that none of their viewers watch CNN or will google the interview....:rolleyes:.......:doh:

Fox stated that Bernie felt burned about Clintons remarks about his young supporters and THAT is totally false. He NEVER said that or even implied that. He actually agreed with her.
 
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And CLEARLY, that was NOT what Tapper was trying to get. He wanted controversy and he got support.

When I saw it this morning I was very pleased with Bernie's response. Not only because he agreed with and supported the statement they tried to tar Hillary with, but because he saw what Tapper was trying to do and would have none of it.

edit: I removed the rest of this post because it belongs in a post of its own...
 
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