The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@neverforget711 i don't believe s bigoted, self promotor that thinks he's smarter than anybody else in the room makes a good or a great president. A grown man who has a temper tantrum when things don't go his way.

The thought of Trump as president scares me and I think he scares a lot of other people and not just democrats. He's the off shoot of the Tea Party group and Sarah Palin thinks he's a great choice so that's reason enough to run the other way. I'm surprised that we haven't seen more of Trump's cast of characters. Curious if Chris Christy's feelings will be hurt if he's not chosen for VP.

Several high ranking in the Republican Party have chosen not to go to the republican convention. People need to wake up and realize this isn't a game to see who can out yell and call the worst names to the other person.

This election has turned into a laughing stock around the world thanks to Donald Trump. Its only going to get worse.

I think this summer the conventions will be interesting but the rest I might want to ignore.
 
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Maitri

Deadhead, Low-Temp Dabber, Mahayana Buddhist
This election has turned into a laughing stock around the world thanks to Donald Trump.

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It seems to me that Mr. Trump is a symptom of a much larger and more serious problem: ignorance - both his and the general public. While voting might be a right in this country, it is also a sacred stewardship that we do not take anywhere near serious enough. We owe it to ourselves, all citizens, the rest of the planet, and the next several generations to deeply and intimately understand the issues and those who aspire to govern. Otherwise we will be quite fortunate to be as reliable as the broken clock that is correct twice a day.

Simply put, ensuring Mr. Trump fails in his attempt to become the next President of the US does not meet the minimum bar of what we need to accomplish because we still need to address the underlying challenge of an ignorant voting populace who allowed his candidacy to succeed.
 

Gunky

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Well, if an ignorant electorate selected Trump, they had a heckuva lotta help from the Republican party and Fox News. They were prepared and made receptive to Trump by years of fallacious propaganda. Paul Ryan wants to claim the mantle of purity now, but his own newspeak, prevarication, counter-factual ideology, demonizing of opponents, fantastic number-fiddling baloney budgets, brown-nosing of wealthy interests and blinkered self-righteousness is a large part of the reason his party has hit rock bottom. On numerous issues Trump just says out loud what Ryan and party have been promoting sub rosa for decades. Trump is just the logical end product of the republican process since Reagan and he represents quite well the bankrupt ideology and resilient, corrupt ability to deny the obvious that have come to characterize the Republican party in recent years.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Why would the news about shutting down coal mines be a surprise? America is going towards clean energy. These folks need to hope for different types of jobs or move. So sorry for the folks of West Virginia, the country needs to move away from coal.

This can happen with any industry whether it be logging or fishing.

Donald Trump tells people what they want to hear. Who knows if he means what he says about the coal mines, pertaining to keeping them open. Looks like Hillary will be losing coal country.
 
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Adobewan

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It seems to me that Mr. Trump is a symptom of a much larger and more serious problem: ignorance - both his and the general public. While voting might be a right in this country, it is also a sacred stewardship that we do not take anywhere near serious enough. We owe it to ourselves, all citizens, the rest of the planet, and the next several generations to deeply and intimately understand the issues and those who aspire to govern. Otherwise we will be quite fortunate to be as reliable as the broken clock that is correct twice a day.

Simply put, ensuring Mr. Trump fails in his attempt to become the next President of the US does not meet the minimum bar of what we need to accomplish because we still need to address the underlying challenge of an ignorant voting populace who allowed his candidacy to succeed.
I don't think Trump is ignorant nor do I think Roger Ailes is, and the people's ignorance is driven, like many things in this existence, by profit. Fox News makes bank because it is extraordinarily lucrative to create, and then play to fear and Ailes was smart to build an empire around that concept.
An ignorant populace has always been in the 1%'s interest. Fox News, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, and Trump all play into what the media-created mob hungers for, with the 20th Century's greatest propaganda tool, television.
Thank Gore for the internet!:)
 
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Maitri

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I don't think Trump is ignorant nor do I think Roger Ailes is,

Heh, I was referring to the voting public, but now that you mention it, it does not seem possible to me that either of those two men are not ignorant. Here is why:

It seems pretty clear to me that virtually any given person is either omniscient (possessing infinite knowledge about virtually everything) or they possess ignorance. That is what philosophers refer to as an exhaustive (complete) list of possibilities. It does not seem reasonable to me to assert that any human. Therefore, if Mr. Trump and Mr. Ailes are not omniscient, AND my list truly is exhaustive, then they both must be ignorant.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
We have seen from history that a president can make or break a country. Hard as he may George W. Bush came pretty close. Going to war over a lie. Thousands of service folks coming back dead or disabled.

Banks were at risk of closing. The stock market dropped drastically.

We've spent 7 years of trying to reenergize the country's economy. Things are far from perfect that's for sure but better than what the republicans handed over to Obama 7 1/2 years ago. A country on the verge of collapse.

Trump may not be ignorant of all things but he continues to dodge the major issues and doesn't answer or changes the subject. He just gives a hap hazard explanation on how he will change Obamacare or some other major subject he's asked about. He hasn't proven to me or a lot of other folks that he's the type of man we need leading our country.

He has been given plenty of media attention to explain all of his plans but spends most of his time saying bad things about everybody else. I'm personally sick of him.

I will be surprised if most the evangelicals vote for him? He doesn't act like he's a Christian type of person. :evil:Those that do are delusional.

I'm sure those diehard republicans will vote for him while holding their nose. As Trump would put it, "people would vote for me even if I shot somebody." I think he's right we are seeing everyday how stupid folks can be.

I won't be holding my nose if I vote for Hillary even though I said that some months back. Right now I'm holding my breath that democrats will be able to stay at the wheel.
 
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mestizo

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I will be surprised if most the evangelicals vote for him? He doesn't act like he's a Christian type of person. :evil:Those that do are delusional.

Ok, I'm gonna sound a bit Bill Maherish here but aren't those that are devout in their religious practices and those that vote for Trump BOTH delusional. To me, it seems like they both share the same trait and that is that they both believe in something that makes them feel good and that validates them but disregards any attempt at logically thinking that what they believe in, being either Trump or a religion, makes any logical sense that is based in fact so they both blindly go down the path that is laid out in front of them.
 
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mestizo

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Ok, I'm gonna sound a bit Maherish here but aren't those that are devout in their religious practices and those that vote for Trump BOTH delusional. To me, it seems like they both share the same trait and that is that they both believe in something that makes them feel good and that validates them but disregards any attempt at logically thinking that what they believe in, being either Trump or a religion, makes any logical sense that is based in fact so they both blindly go down the path that is laid out in front of them.
I think the question why evangelicals are voting for him has to do with morality vs. immorality.
Here's a group of people that see as immoral a lot of the things this man has built his wealth on, how can they ignore all those things?

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This is a quote from Michael Brown article ( I didn't know who he was until I asked my daughter the same question Carol King asked.)


"A Significant Percentage
And among these tens of millions of Americans is a significant percentage of professing evangelical Christians, despite Trump saying he has never asked God for forgiveness, despite his failure to renounce his previous adulteries or to acknowledge the wrongness of making money off casinos and strip clubs, despite his taking offense at the distribution of the near nude photo of his wife Melania — not because he thought it was a bad picture but because it was made out to be bad.

And evangelicals continue to flock to him.

How do we explain this?

Trump is obviously a brilliant salesman and promoter, a master of the media. And he has masterfully appealed to American fears and anger — fears of terrorism, fears of economic collapse, anger with the political system, anger with American weakness — to the point that his supporters are looking to him as a quasi-savior figure. Only he can get the job done!

But in almost any other time in American history, Trump’s negatives would have so outweighed his positives that he would have quickly disqualified himself as a candidate.

Not today.

Instead, we find ourselves with the increasingly likely possibility that either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will be our next president, and to me, there is only one satisfactory explanation for this: God is giving us what we deserve and handing us over to judgment."
 
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Adobewan

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...It seems pretty clear to me that virtually any given person is either omniscient (possessing infinite knowledge about virtually everything) or they possess ignorance....
...Trump may not be ignorant of all things but he continues to dodge the major issues and doesn't answer or changes the subject. He just gives a hap hazard explanation on how he will change Obamacare or some other major subject he's asked about. He hasn't proven to me or a lot of other folks that he's the type of man we need leading our country...
I should clarify. I think Trump has ignorance, as do all humans. But I don't think he is running ignorantly. I think he is strategically answering/not answering in the way that best serves his agenda.
Say what we will about him, but he is controlling this entire election cycle. I might use shrewd before ignorant when describing Trump in this election period.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Toward the end I thought Kasich might surge. He was as close to electable, 'normal' and like-able as the republicans could get IMO. The smoke cleared and the republican version of PT Barnum was the last one standing. There is debate as to whether Barnum actually said 'there is a sucker born every minute' .... but Trump is living proof of the accuracy of the phrase.

If Trump had run as a democrat I'd like to think he would have been laughed out of the race by the first primary vote and/or the first time he opened his mouth in debate. If it had come down to Trump, Hillary and Bernie in a democratic primary would Hillary have still been the lead?

When it comes to Trump it feels to me like people aren't voting 'for Trump' so much as they are voting against everyone else. Worrisome......
 

1DMF

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With Ted Cruz pulling out will this mean Trump is actually going to win?
 
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grokit

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With Ted Cruz pulling out will this mean Trump is actually going to win?
Yup, it's a done deal, he can't lose, he has the delegates, no contested convention for the gop.

And evangelicals continue to flock to him.

How do we explain this?
They have a vested interest in the apocalypse, so they will vote for satan to usher it in :evil:
 

Maitri

Deadhead, Low-Temp Dabber, Mahayana Buddhist
Trump has ignorance, as do all humans. But I don't think he is running ignorantly.

It seems to me that Mr. Trump is ignorant of how the results of his choices and behaviors go against his own self interest. It would take a (yet to be written) book to thoroughly explain how and why but lets see if I can offer a reasonable and reasonably quick explanation.

Much, if not most, if not all of what Mr. Trump says is cold, hard hearted, and self absorbed. While that might bring him and his supporters a temporary sense of pleasure, it will not offer any lasting joy or happiness because those experiences are the result of warm, loving, open hearted compassion. To make matters worse, not only does his cold hearted approach not result in any happiness for him, but it actually brings him misery and suffering. This is the case for all of us: open hearted selflessness is the source of our greatest joy and likewise, closed hearted self absorption is the source of our unnecessary misery and suffering. Don't believe me? Wonderful! Try it for yourself. :)
 

Adobewan

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It seems to me that Mr. Trump is ignorant of how the results of his choices and behaviors go against his own self interest. It would take a (yet to be written) book to thoroughly explain how and why but lets see if I can offer a reasonable and reasonably quick explanation.

Much, if not most, if not all of what Mr. Trump says is cold, hard hearted, and self absorbed. While that might bring him and his supporters a temporary sense of pleasure, it will not offer any lasting joy or happiness because those experiences are the result of warm, loving, open hearted compassion. To make matters worse, not only does his cold hearted approach not result in any happiness for him, but it actually brings him misery and suffering. This is the case for all of us: open hearted selflessness is the source of our greatest joy and likewise, closed hearted self absorption is the source of our unnecessary misery and suffering. Don't believe me? Wonderful! Try it for yourself. :)
Beautiful sentiments which I agree with, but to those with narcissistic tendencies, compassion has little meaning, and unfortunately, those people can thrive in a corrupt world.
 
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Maitri

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Beautiful sentiments which I agree with

No doubt, my friend. :)

but to those with narcissistic tendencies, compassion has little meaning, and unfortunately, those people can thrive in a corrupt world.

Yup - and I would argue (in the philosophical rather than the combative sense) :) that their narcissistic attitudes cannot survive without a certain kind of ignorance.

BTW, I have been meaning to tell you that I :love: your signature!! :)
 
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cybrguy

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An endorsement for the onetime ‘cancer on conservatism’
05/06/16 10:40 AM

At various points through the Republicans’ presidential primary process, various GOP leaders and candidates thought they could derail Donald Trump with one big speech. Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, and others stepped up the plate, delivered carefully crafted remarks on the dangers Trump posed to the party and the country, and hoped the weight of their words would change the trajectory of the race.
Each, obviously, failed.

Among the most notable of these speeches, however, came by way of former Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), who invited the press to a DC hotel near the White House last July to deliver an anti-Trump stem-winder.

“My fellow Republicans, beware of false prophets,” Perry said at the time. “Do not let itching ears be tickled by messengers who appeal to anger, division and resentment. I will not go quiet when this cancer on conservatism threatens to metastasize into a movement of mean-spirited politics that will send the Republican Party to the same place it sent the Whig Party in 1854: the graveyard.”

Perry went on to characterize Trump as “a barking carnival act” who offers a “toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition if pursued.” Keep all of this in mind when considering what Perry said yesterday.

TPM reported:
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Thursday endorsed Donald Trump and left the door open to becoming the Republican vice presidential nominee.

“He is not a perfect man. But what I do believe is that he loves this country and he will surround himself with capable, experienced people and he will listen to them,” Perry told CNN. “He wasn’t my first choice, wasn’t my second choice, but he is the people’s choice.” […]

“He is one of the most talented people who has ever run for the president I have ever seen,” Perry told CNN.

When the subject turned to a possible role as Trump’s running mate, the Texas Republican added, “I am going to be open to any way I can help. I am not going to say no.”

No, of course not. Why say no to partnering with “a barking carnival act” who represents a “cancer on conservatism,” who’s poised to send your party to the “graveyard”?

The drama surrounding the process of a presumptive nominee choosing the vice presidential contender is always fascinating. People who actually want the job are supposed to be subtle – those who are too eager tend to lose out – and aspirants are generally expected to feign disinterest.

Perry’s comments yesterday were ridiculous given what he said about Trump last summer, but as it relates to the VP process, the former governor ably put his name out there.

What makes 2016 so unusual – one of the many reasons, actually – is that under normal circumstances, serving as your party’s running mate is generally seen as a pretty sweet gig. If you lose, the campaign still raises your stature and visibility, opening the door to a brighter electoral future. If you win, you hold national office and you’re one heartbeat from the presidency.

But with Trump as the Republicans’ presumptive nominee, the usual dynamic doesn’t apply at all. Many in the party, who would otherwise make a sensible VP choice, are already rushing to withdraw their names from consideration, unwilling to be tied to Trump. As the New York Times reported earlier this week:
It’s a time-honored tradition for politicians to deny any interest in the vice presidency. But this year, with the possibility of Donald J. Trump as the Republican nominee, they really mean it.

“Never,” said Chris Schrimpf, a spokesman for Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who is still running against Mr. Trump. “No chance.”

“Hahahahahahahahaha,” wrote Sally Bradshaw, a senior adviser to Jeb Bush, when asked if he would consider it.

“Scott Walker has a visceral negative reaction to Trump’s character,” said Ed Goeas, a longtime adviser to the Wisconsin governor. […]

A remarkable range of leading Republicans, including Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina and Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, have been emphatic publicly or with their advisers and allies that they do not want to be considered as Mr. Trump’s running mate.

I suppose it’s possible that all of these folks are playing the game of appearing disinterested, while quietly hoping for a call from the candidate’s vetting team, though by all appearances, they’re quite sincere.

For his part, Trump said yesterday he intends to announce his running mate “at the convention,” which begins in Cleveland in mid-July.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The Grim Reaper - "The Dick" Cheney also endorsed Trump. Trump has been very critical of the Iraq War and Cheney was the major instigator which started that war. Some will vote for Trump just because they are a republican, nothing more needs to be required of them.

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Can Donald Trump be trusted with national security secrets? That is some of the questions that someone on CNN brought up. An excellent point. He might blab important secret info to his golfing buddies.:science:

Folks have been inquiring about migrating to Canada from the U.S which is at an all time high I heard today.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
The Grim Reaper - "The Dick" Cheney also endorsed Trump.
That shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. Darth Vader has no conscience. I don't believe there was anyone else in the field so appropriate for him.

The big question for ME is what is Rumsfeld gonna do? I never liked him any more than I liked Cheney, and I'm not sure I EVER agreed with him on anything, but I think he has a conscience...
 
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