The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

[Gunky]

I feel the Bern but admittedly ... I've become so disillusioned.....
- If Bernie wins he will more closely represent my ideals but there will be gridlock
- If Hillary wins she will represent only some of my ideals but there will be gridlock

Hope I'm wrong about the common denominator.

There is an excellent chance of the dems retaking the Senate since the candidate at the top of the republican ticket will likely be Trump or Cruz. Of the two dems, which one is more likely to skillfully use this situation and leverage influence among dems to get things done - the mainstream dem or the socialist? Which one is more likely to get support for their programs in Congress? Do you want ideological purity like the repubs, or do you want things to actually get done?

 

[howie105]

I would submit that at a certain point a stable gridlocked environment becomes a predicable and malleable business environment. Not something big money shot callers from either party don't gain from.

 

[CarolKing]

There needs to be a grass roots movement to get some of these lawmakers that are standing in the way of progressive values out of office. Vote these idiots out. Find people that represent your values.

Some in the House and Senate that want to repeal same sex marriage, they don't want people to be able to marry who they want to. I don't think they can put the genie back in the bottle.

Also abortion needs to continue to be safe and available. Mr Cruz wants to discontinue abortions altogether.

What about those standing in the way with archaic cannabis ideas from the past. More states need to have at least medical cannabis with on going pain as one of the medical reasons. I can't believe some of the states that don't include on going everyday pain as one of the medical criteria.

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A lot of the work for legal and medical cannabis comes from the state lawmakers. What I've noticed is that some states don't have the referendum process. You guys in those states need to change that if you can possibly do that.

 

[His_Highness]

There is an excellent chance of the dems retaking the Senate since the candidate at the top of the republican ticket will likely be Trump or Cruz. Of the two dems, which one is more likely to skillfully use this situation and leverage influence among dems to get things done - the mainstream dem or the socialist?

I'd really rather not mosey around this mulberry bush again but .... I'm guessing you want me to say the one that doesn't represent all my ideals?

 

[Gunky]

I'd really rather not mosey around this mulberry bush again but .... I'm guessing you want me to say the one that doesn't represent all my ideals?

I'd settle for Sanders supporters acknowledging that their guy is essentially a solo act, a left wing Ted Cruz, which is not what is required to be successful in this gig. Right now they are infatuated with the solo number he is playing. What happens when he has to work with the full band? Bernie supporters always gush something about how he'll inspire the nation. That's not how it works, folks. The guy up front has to be playing the same tune as the the rhythm section and horns and needs to know when to come in, follow cues, etc.

 

[howie105]

There needs to be a grass roots movement to get some of these lawmakers that are standing in the way of progressive values out of office. Vote these idiots out. Find people that represent your values.

Some in the House and Senate that want to repeal same sex marriage, they don't want people to be able to marry who they want to. I don't think they can put the genie back in the bottle.

Also abortion needs to continue to be safe and available. Mr Cruz wants to discontinue abortions altogether.

What about those standing in the way with archaic cannabis ideas from the past. More states need to have at least medical cannabis with on going pain as one of the medical reasons. I can't believe some of the states that don't include on going everyday pain as one of the medical criteria.

I would settle for the right and left leaving their ideological assaults and defenses alone long enough to tend to the nuts and bolts issues facing the country. No losers or winners on the sacred issues just a truce so the infrastructure can get maintained, wounded soldiers cared for and most helpful a little honesty about what is being done in our names. Ok that might be a little too much to hope for.

 

[His_Highness]

I'd settle for Sanders supporters giving some thought to the fact that their guy is essentially a solo act, a left wing Ted Cruz, which is not what is required to be successful in this position.

If you'd settle for Sanders supporters giving some thought to the fact he's a Solo act .... consider this settled....I've given it some thought. It hasn't changed my view.

I'm not convinced she has a better chance than Bernie of getting things done and even if I were willing to concede that point....her positions don't line up with mine the way Bernie's does. So ... if she does accomplish something but its not what I'm for, there is nothing for me to cheer about relative to that accomplishment.

If she wins the primary I'll vote for her because I won't vote for a republican. I call that a concession.

 

[Gunky]

I really hope you will make the effort of trying to envision what comes after the orgasm of electing Bernie. OMG the prez and I are one! Same views as me. In the cold light of the morning, can the shlub you just let knock you up actually bring home the bacon?

 

[grokit]

The GOP puts all the blame on Obama. The Dems put all the blame on GOP obstruction. I believe, like most things, the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

Normally I would agree with this. But ever since the (first?) clinton administration's 2nd term, things have not been normal. The republican party has not compromised on anything since then, and have done nothing but obstruct progress and implement all the machiavellian bs that they can think of. While the democrats are always ready to compromise -- to a fault sometimes -- because they know that's the only way forward.

 

[CarolKing]

@Gunky you will probably get your wish fulfilled and Hillary Clinton will get the Democratic vote to run against the republican opponent. She may win the presidency. I hope her only the best. Why she would want to be president is beyond me. Good luck to her.

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America needs a huge change and it's not Trump. If Hillary can do that I'm all for her. We can't have the same bullshit. People are tired of the same lies and dishonesty and I don't just mean Hillary when I say lies.

 

[grokit]

Sanders vs. trump would be what america needs to help exorcise its collective demons.
Clinton vs trump would feed into the artificial polarity that keeps us at each other's throats.

America is much stronger when it works together than when it's divided.
Cory booker for bernie's running mate, I saw mahar last night and the dude is 4 reals

 

[His_Highness]

I really hope you will make the effort of trying to envision what comes after the orgasm of electing Bernie. OMG the prez and I are one! Same views as me. In the cold light of the morning, can the shlub you just let knock you up actually bring home the bacon?

If Bernie wins I won't be knocked up because it will have been consensual sex. Hillary would be the one knocking me up.

And whether or not Bernie brings home the bacon....I'd have to ask him, he's Jewish ya know

 

[Gunky]

If Bernie wins we will have what the french call co-habitation. We'll have a democratic socialist president and a congress with, let's see um, how many democratic socialist senators? Congress members? I forget. The American version of this is paralytic deadlock.

 

[His_Highness]

If Bernie wins we will have what the french call co-habitation. We'll have a democratic socialist president and a congress with, let's see um, how many democratic socialist senators? Congress members? I forget. The American version of this is paralytic deadlock.

Can we go back to sex and bacon?

 

[Gunky]

If Bernie wins, I'll put aside my misgivings, cross my legs, and hope for the best!

 

[lwien]

America needs a huge change and it's not Trump. If Hillary can do that I'm all for her.

Such a quandary. While I totally agree that America needs a huge change, I'm going to vote for Hilary, for the reasons that @Gunky has previously stated but which very well could be more of the same. The only saving grace here is a change in power in both the Congress and the Senate. That change in power along with a few liberal appointees to the Supreme Court could very well be the change that we so desperately need and which the GOP fears more than the plague. But yet, the GOP brought this on themselves.

All things considered, I firmly believe that the Dems are going to be in power, not because they will win the election but rather because the GOP will have lost it.

 

[Amoreena]

... Why she would want to be president is beyond me. ...

I've never been able to understand why anyone would want to carry the weight of that much responsibility. However my perspective is colored by love of a peaceful, private lifestyle and lack of desire for power or fame.

 

[grokit]

I get it now.

 

[Nooky72]

I get it now.

 

[lwien]

The look and smile that Bernie gave that bird was priceless. Brought a tear to my eye.

I must have played that video back about 5 times, each time looking at the reactions of the people in the audience. Couldn't have scripted that any better.

Now THAT'S what I call............an endorsement.

If that happened to Trump, he would have called in security armed with bird catching nets.

 

[Msek]

@Gunky's message I'm hearing is that the democrat senators and congressmen, just like their counter part republicans are all about the party and power. So if an independent becomes president through the will of the people they will just screw them over. ---> For your own sake best to go with the people already in power.

Screw them, they are next to go if unwilling to listen, as it should be.

 

[Snappo]

If that happened to Trump, he would have called in security armed with bird catching nets.

Trump's sons would've been called in to shoot the bird with a two barrel shotgun - like on their farmed leopard kill African safari... heartless losers don't fall far from the tree!

 

[grokit]

Now THAT'S what I call............an endorsement.

It was literally a message from above !

 

[lwien]

It was literally a message from above !

His campaign management should build a TV ad around that clip proclaiming........"Mother Natures Endorsement."

 

[cybrguy]

If she wins the primary I'll vote for her because I won't vote for a republican. I call that a concession.

As much as I want you to believe she is the better choice, it is much more important to me that you will dance with Hillary if your guy doesn't get to the dance. Even I, a Hillary partisan, would help Bernie win if it came to that, tho I don't expect it to.

The Most important think is to keep Cruz and Trump out of the White House.