Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer

[VaporNation]

I'm sure it's been said before...but this unit remind me of the Magic Flight Launch Box Vaporizer. How does it compare with efficiency, ease of use and price? Where can you purchase one of these? I haven't seen them on any websites.

 

[Goodlife101]

OO first of all gratz on 420 posts

second i never said my claim was more valid, aka agree to disagree.....
i was more trying to figure out your technique or how why you burned the herb trying to figure out how or why you did it because i can completely vape my herb leaving very very little at the 340 temps so i dont see a need to go higher so i was just curious you could say because i find that it would be quite difficult to combust unless you were leaving it to heat up unattended with the torch flame

do you have some pics of the home made portable up?



Vapor Nation-

Well the LB and Supreme are sort of two different vapes to me... If you want something really stealthy that wont draw much attention then the LB is right for you.. In terms of efficiency they are both very efficient vapes but the learning curve with the LB is a bit tougher and it is easier to combust in the LB imo. The LB will not produce lots of visible vapor but it will def get you where you wanna be the supreme will produce plumes of vapor.. they are both good at vaporizing small amounts and larger bowls. The supreme heats much more evenly and has a digital temp readout and you can take multiple hits on it with the heat retention is why i like it much better and i like the clouds.. the lb is 100 you can get the supreme off bay for 188 or so or 200 off the guys website (ebay is the manufacturer ) you wont be disappointed with either but i much prefer the supreme over the lb but many people like the battery no flame concept for stealth and convenience .

 

[reece]

how is that possible?! i am going to go with user error or you dont use the temp gage .... i have even put mine up to 370 on accident which is 30-40 degrees higher than i usually vape at and still didnt combust.... so i mean i guess you can cook it up that high but if you stay even in the 360's which is more than high enough combustion shouldnt happen... plus idk do you leave yours standing with a torch on without you because idk how you would miss the temp by that much..

Well, yeah, I said it was my error. I'm just saying it is possible to burn. Also, my Supreme burns when I go over 300 degrees (kief can take a bit higher temps). It's been discussed much earlier in this thread but there is some kind of difference in my unit because I've seen most here are able to go much higher. I've had my supreme longer than most who post in this thread (if my figuring is correct). It was my first vaporizer, I had it a few years before discovering FC.

 

[OO]

OO first of all gratz on 420 posts

second i never said my claim was more valid, aka agree to disagree.....
i was more trying to figure out your technique or how why you burned the herb trying to figure out how or why you did it because i can completely vape my herb leaving very very little at the 340 temps so i dont see a need to go higher so i was just curious you could say because i find that it would be quite difficult to combust unless you were leaving it to heat up unattended with the torch flame

do you have some pics of the home made portable up?

thanks.

you did however state your claim in a factual manner, which i am contesting, it's more or less to help those who have a loose concept of how vapes work to understand what is happening.

because you don't feel the need to make the temp any higher doesn't mean anyone else won't.

as for the pics, i'll email them to you when i get the chance.

 

[dlownaughtysauce]

SUPREME VAPORIZER IS THE ONLY VAPORIZER ON THE MARKET THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE SAME EFFECTS OF COMBUSTION ANYWHERE AND ANYTIME.

cheers!

i feel that lighter based vapes are almost all equal.

at least in the experience that they can produce.

I haven't really tried too many lighter based vapes myself. I've used the vapor genie and the supreme. I've seen the lotus has been getting some attention on this website. To tell you the truth, the supreme vaporizer is such a superior vapor producer I never thought about seriously comparing it with other lighter-based vapes. I always compared its effects to that of the Volcano, Silver Surfer, or Vrip tech heat wand. That's the category I place the supreme in. In fact, I prefer it over all those vaporizers any day. The supreme simply provides the most intense and medicated feeling, in my experience.

I'm a bit confused by your statement, are you placing the supreme in the same category as the vapor genie? If you are, could you clarify if you have indeed used a supreme vaporizer before? As I am sure you have read the thread in its entirety, you're aware that you would be the first supreme user to make this claim.

In my opinion the supreme vaporizer goes hit for hit with the best vapor producing contraptions out there. For the sake of time I elaborate on this on page 17 of this thread....

 

[jimbo]

hey jimbo..i like to start at around 270..and get some blue vapor then climb my way up to the 330's..340's and 350's..thats normally where i like to start..at that point the taste isn't worth the vapor. i made a couple videos showing the different temps..and what vapor looks like at those temps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-puLbOd_1s thats part one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITe9I5WbNg&feature=related this is part two.

and heres a vid of some waffle milk going on..inhaled too much vapor so i didn't bother hold it in cause it was a about a 20 second draw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7panMma8NME

Nice vids again blackbur! Past couple of days I've just doing half packs to conserve meds and still
getting great vapor. Did another vid of the last hit at 340 running the supreme thru the
VG 10-arm: here

 

[blackbur]

Thanks jimbo..thats a really heavenly milkshot..those 10 trees really diffuse well and evenly. Vertigo really makes good trees..thought about getting his hydra tube for the cloud.

 

[OO]

i feel that lighter based vapes are almost all equal.

at least in the experience that they can produce.

I'm a bit confused by your statement, are you placing the supreme in the same category as the vapor genie? If you are, could you clarify if you have indeed used a supreme vaporizer before? As I am sure you have read the thread in its entirety, you're aware that you would be the first supreme user to make this claim.

In my opinion the supreme vaporizer goes hit for hit with the best vapor producing contraptions out there. For the sake of time I elaborate on this on page 17 of this thread....

yes, i do compare the supreme to other vapes that use a flame as a heat source.
actually i haven't read this thread in its entirety, but i'm the type to do so.
i have not used a supreme, but i have a vape that works on the same principles, and the reason i made my statement is that the same temperature ranges are available to all flame-based vapes, therefore the same range of psychoactives are available, and they are available in the same time frame.

the less-specific temperature selection that a flame-based vape allows increases the number of different actives that are boiled off, therefore allowing a more complex interaction between them.

would you disagree?

 

[Goodlife101]

OO no offense but no other lighter base vape has the same power of a heating element as the supreme... If you have never used a supreme you should do so and see that it is very different from other lighter based vapes like the vapman and lotus... less specific is not a problem on the supreme as it is the most specific and easiest to control of any of my vapes i can vape at low temps and get clouds with no crash on the supreme and it will only go as far as i let it with a digital temp readout other lighter based vapes can not do so... plus the airpath of the heating element is huge so it evenly heats the air which is funneled in to a small tube where the bowl is it gives the best vapor/air ratio of any vape i have ever hit.

also not in the same time frame idk any other portable vape with a heat sink or heating element as big as the supreme it takes only seconds to go from 0-vape on a lotus, vapman, VoS, etc but a good minute or so to get this hunker to vaping temps a necessary sacrifice for pinpoint temp accuracy of where i want to vape

 

[notmyrealUSERname]

i think the supreme is the only lighter based vape that also has a thermometer. therefore, it should be able to accurately vape @ any temp you desire. you would just need to adjust for the fact that the temp displayed is not the actual vaping temp, - can't remember where i heard that before with proper lighter technique and some patience you can achieve very specific temp ranges.

OO -

the less-specific temperature selection that a flame-based vape allows increases the number of different actives that are boiled off, therefore allowing a more complex interaction between them.

i believe that all other lighter based vapes have way less ability to specifically target certain actives becuase the user is making the judgement on what the temp actually is in the bowl, based on sight, smell, taste. these attributes are not as accurate as a therm. however, i do agree with you when you say

the same temperature ranges are available to all flame-based vapes, therefore the same range of psychoactives are available, and they are available in the same time frame.

 

[dlownaughtysauce]

i have not used a supreme, but i have a vape that works on the same principles, and the reason i made my statement is that the same temperature ranges are available to all flame-based vapes, therefore the same range of psychoactives are available, and they are available in the same time frame.

While I do agree the same temperature ranges are available, in my opinion the aspect that you are missing is the supremes exceptional heating element. Same temperatures ranges are available to all flame-based vapes, when the same type of flame is used, but it is the heating element that delivers the heat. When you vaporize with the supreme you do not use direct heat with flame, therefore it is irrelevant how hot the flame is. It only matters what temperature you heat the element to and how effective that medium is at delivering the heat. The original flame heating source never touches the herbs and has nothing to do with the extraction process. Extraction does not begin until the flame is turned off and put away.

You are also correct that the same range and amounts of psychoactive chemicals are available when using different flame-based vaporizers. However, this is not related to the temperature range of the flame source but the material you are vaporizing. It is only true if you did a test using one source of herbs or comparable grades of herbs in quality in various flame-based devices (like taking one big nug and using it as a standard to grade your devices extraction effectiveness). This is because the amount of psychoactives available is dictated by the herbal material, not the device. Nor is it dictated by the flames actual temperature; I can heat the supreme with a butane flame or a candle flame and ultimately reach desired temps and results. Some heating elements work better than others at providing even and pervasive heat to the herbs for extraction of actives. It is the heating element that produces the vapor. Some vaporizers have a better heating element than others. The supremes is revolutionary in my opinion. On page 1 of this thread there is a review by Kumar that delves into this subject.

the less-specific temperature selection that a flame-based vape allows increases the number of different actives that are boiled off, therefore allowing a more complex interaction between them.

would you disagree?

I would disagree that you know with any degree of certainty that the supreme has a less-specific temperature selection, absolutely. The supreme's digital temperature reading does not really vary. In fact, it's very specific and standard. Once you find your favorite temps with the supreme you can stick to them and produce consistent vapor at those same temps. So, if I like 290 I know to take the flame off there and vapor production will be consistent with what I expect 290 to be from past experience. You would know this if you have used one. Your statement is impressively hypothetical for somebody who has never used a supreme to make. It actually enters the realm of the ridiculous and borders on dishonesty.

I'm confused why someone who has not used the supreme is doing anything other than asking the opinion of those who have. For instance, I have never used the purple days vaporizer. It would be incredibly egregious of me to go into the purple days thread and post any opinion other than if I like how it looks in pictures.

I'm stoned dude, surprised i'm wasting my time writing this and that I have to. Use the supreme and then get back to us. In the mean time, look up the word integrity.

 

[OO]

@DLOW
your implication, that one must try a device in order to understand how it functions, or how effective it is is nothing but a false assumption of yours.

by studying the principles regarding vaporization i'm very much able to hypothesize which variables affect the effectiveness of a vaporizer.

to be honest you may be correct about the consistency of the temperature with the supreme versus other lighter based vapes, but then again that doesn't make anything i've said dishonest, i was attempting to verify my understanding of the supreme with you.

please don't jump the gun by calling out my integrity when answering me on such statements.

i'm not here to bash you, just to share in knowledge.

i would like to rephrase my previous statement though regarding the temperature range of flame based vapes, the same temperature range is not available to all flame based vapes, but most operate within the same range. and BTW, i never said anything about the amounts of psychoactives being released, you just added that in there yourself.

btw, my current theory of one reason why lighter based are the best is because you get a full range of psychoactives all at once, which is different from a gradual temp vape in that some of the actives compete for the same receptors, and that in using a gradual temp vape, you can fill those with lower boilers before the higher boilers make it off the gland.

 

[dlownaughtysauce]

@DLOW
your implication, that one must try a device in order to understand how it functions, or how effective it is is nothing but a false assumption of yours.

by studying the principles regarding vaporization i'm very much able to hypothesize which variables affect the effectiveness of a vaporizer.

to be honest you may be correct about the consistency of the temperature with the supreme versus other lighter based vapes, but then again that doesn't make anything i've said dishonest, i was attempting to verify my understanding of the supreme with you.

please don't jump the gun by calling out my integrity when answering me on such statements.

i'm not here to bash you, just to share in knowledge.

After thinking about it I see now that it is rather arrogant of me to hold strangers to my own standard. You have made statements in this thread about the supreme without making it clear you have never used one. It was not until I pressed you on this that you came clean, otherwise you would of continued. Supreme users in this thread have disagreed with your opinions from the get-go, this is because what you claim about the supreme is very off base. If you were not inexperienced, that is, to have no experience with the supreme there would be no issue.

One example: to place the supreme in the same category as other flame-based vapes is to compare a ferrari with a mini-van. You don't see how silly your statements are because you are inexperienced with the supreme.

I guess the best way I can illustrate it for you is this: I personally am not comfortable giving reviews on albums I've never heard, movies i've never seen, restaurants i've never attended, cars i've never drove, and hotels i've never stayed at. In fact, if someone were to ask me for driving directions to somewhere I have never been I wouldn't hypothesize on principle, I'd tell them I don't know. Also, just because I understand the principles of how a cellphone works does not mean I am going to go on cellphone message boards and begin to give my opinion as if I've used each product when I only know it "in principle".

The standard I just explained above is perhaps not universal. I always assumed it was. Maybe there are people out there who really feel they have such incredible intellect they can predict reviews of products before they have used them.

The thing is, if you would of entered this thread as someone who has never used the supreme, made it clear, I wouldnt have any problem with anything you've stated. But because people will assume that you have made your statements as someone who is experienced, in fact when you are inexperienced, is dishonest in my opinion. A lot of people use this sight for research so it's important to stop misinformation in its track.

Believe me dude, if you go and actually use a supreme I will instantly respect your opinion. If you think it stinks, that's no problem. But you wont be giving an opinion as a supreme user when you are not. You wont be stating facts about the supreme as if you have used one. You have not. Controlling misinformation is paramount to not really your integrity, but this websites.

A lot of people looking for their first vaporizer use this site for research. They do it because they are interested in the knowledge that people with experience have. In this light, you in fact have no knowledge to share. You are in the position of the learner, not the educator.

I see that this is my own subjective opinion. Perhaps it's too high of a standard. I always held this board many notches above others. Maybe a little too high. i apologize if it sounded as if I judged your own integrity, really what I was aiming at was the integrity of this great thread that can really help someone out who doesn't know about the supreme. It's how I learned about it.

 

[reece]

^^^yeah, I thought you were being a bit too harsh. It seemed clear to me, he was just trying to figure shit out.

...you would of continued.

would've (would have)

 

[Goodlife101]

@DLOW

by studying the principles regarding vaporization i'm very much able to hypothesize which variables affect the effectiveness of a vaporizer.

btw, my current theory of one reason why lighter based are the best is because you get a full range of psychoactives all at once, which is different from a gradual temp vape in that some of the actives compete for the same receptors, and that in using a gradual temp vape, you can fill those with lower boilers before the higher boilers make it off the gland.

OO what you are failing to realize is the supreme is much more like a gradual temp vape than a all at once torcher like a vapman or lotus..... everytime i say this but you must not respect or read my reviews and opinion instead you keep making arrogant claims which anyone who is or ever has used a supreme is laughing at... please buy a supreme or use a friends and then come back to this thread..............

 

[OO]

@DLOW

by studying the principles regarding vaporization i'm very much able to hypothesize which variables affect the effectiveness of a vaporizer.

btw, my current theory of one reason why lighter based are the best is because you get a full range of psychoactives all at once, which is different from a gradual temp vape in that some of the actives compete for the same receptors, and that in using a gradual temp vape, you can fill those with lower boilers before the higher boilers make it off the gland.

OO what you are failing to realize is the supreme is much more like a gradual temp vape than a all at once torcher like a vapman or lotus..... everytime i say this but you must not respect or read my reviews and opinion instead you keep making arrogant claims which anyone who is or ever has used a supreme is laughing at... please buy a supreme or use a friends and then come back to this thread..............

i must ask this question, do you really believe the indicated temperature indicates the temperature of the air coming over the herb?
i would say there is a small chance of this by my estimation. after reading the temps users vape at, and the diagrams that show how the supreme is constructed, it appears that the temperatures indicated by the thermometer are of the bowlpiece itself, and not of the air flowing over the herb. it would appear that the air is actually hotter than the bowlpiece, and is at a narrow range of temperatures (this isn't to say that the range is comparable to other lighter based vapes, but that the temperature is most likely more narrow than the range on other lighter based vapes).

i wouldn't say my claims are arrogant to a large extent, my second so called claim was not a claim at all, and it appears that it is the one that has led people to criticize me heavily.

in that statement, i was trying to verify if dlow was in agreement with my perception of how the supreme functions, to which it appears he didn't agree.
i now see the reasoning for it, which is that i underestimated one of the variables in the equation, which was the mass of the heating element. i didn't approximate its mass to be as great as it actually was, which i found out through your own statement regarding how long it took to heat the element up to its operating temperature.

in nearly all of the posts i've come across regarding the supreme, it seems that the predominant technique is to stick with a singular indicated temperature, which is what i've been basing most of my estimations on.

i don't see my most recent claims as being arrogant, i'm only trying to compare notes, so don't rush to judge.

btw DLOW

you have much to learn in the way of analogies.

i can absolutely compare things i have never tried based upon principles, like i could with lighter based vapes and minivans and ferraris.

obviously ferraris will have characteristics based upon the physics of the vehicle, like the mass of the vehicle, and the height of the center of gravity. based upon these two principles, i can estimate that a ferarri will have much more grip when it comes to turns than a minivan (this is excluding quite a few variables, but i hope you can grasp the point i'm trying to convey)

i have never claimed to have used a supreme or anything along those lines (knowing someone who has, etc.) anything you assume is an error on your own part.

you should evaluate my claims the same way you evaluate anyone's claims. if you value first hand experience over estimation by principles, then you should absolutely refute my claims, but before we go any further into the discussion, i should outline a few of the basis for which i stake my claims upon.

consistent temperature of air is based upon four variables with this particular vaporizer, there is first, the mass of the heating element, there is second, the surface area of the heating element, there is the capability of the heating element to transfer the heat, and there is the speed of air passing through the heating element.

is there anything i haven't considered?

it is obvious to me that aluminum is an excellent way to transfer heat (like car radiators), and that the surface area of the heating element is excellent when compared to other heating element designs. the speed of air flow is a factor that is a given with any vape, and the factor i underestimated, the mass of the element is indeed relatively large.

the design of the supreme most definitely deserves praise in my estimation when these factors are considered, i hope i haven't led anyone to believe otherwise.

 

[Goodlife101]

no it is not the actual temp of the air and if im not mistaken no vape on the market today has a completely accurate air temp sensor they are all reference points my point is the supremes digital temp therm is very sensitive itself +-2F so i know exactly where I am at... OO you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole of claims you have been making saying you are only trying to compare notes, only you have no notes to use to compare because you have never used one... to say it is like other lighter based vapes is really a joke and it is the most accurate consistent vape i have ever owned or used and I have used most vapes on the market today between all of mine and my friends... trust me I know what I am talking about.. The supreme is not at a narrow range of temp it has a full range of temp but can be adjusted to any desired temp and stay there that is what makes it unique among lighter base and potables nothing will give you temp control or clouds like the supreme due to the heating element and the temp therm both things you continually underestimate. In my opinion you have brought nothing to this thread other than your false claims of how you think a product you have never tried or owned works and that is why you ARE making arrogant claims because you think you are some sort of vaporizer guru who has it all figured out already

 

[dlownaughtysauce]

OO:
I feel like most of your questions could be answered by either reading this thread in its entirety or actually using a supreme vaporizer. Because you have not done either, our communication is done. I don't have the time to sit here and refute every hypothesis you can conjure up about the supreme.

Also, and this is my last comment on it: in my opinion when you enter a thread it is your responsibility to make it clear what your experience is with a vaporizer. This is common courtesy. It is also the honest approach. It is not the responsibility of others to pry this information out of you after you have made irresponsible and hypothetical statements that sound as if you have seen one of these things in person before. This is charlatan behavior.

My main objective was to make it clear to people who are doing research on this topic to be aware that you have never used a supreme vaporizer. From there, they can judge your statements accordingly. If they are comfortable taking the advice of someone who knows nothing, has no experience, and is arrogant then that is alright with me.

i'll see you on the san diego freeway, guy!

Goodlife 101, thanks dude. I was starting to think I was a crazy asshole. I concur with your statement that OO has brought nothing to this thread but false claims made out of arrogance.

I'll move along now. goodlife and everyone else besides OO, has anyone here made any of your own screens? I have been soaking them in rubbing alcohol over-night, every couple weeks. Is this what you guys do or do you use new ones? Do you order them from the website or make your own? My local smokeshop does not sell screens that are big enough to seal the supreme hole.

I am curious to see what people who use the supreme think.

thanks!

ps. i think the slogan for the supreme should be "we have the heating element!"

 

[Wolface]

I find it best to just send Ed an e-mail and get the original parts from him. He seems to be away from his computer on the weekends, but he will look after you for any parts you may need.

 

[reece]

I don't use my supreme regularly any longer but I always made my own screens with a paper clip and screens purchased from a local shop. I haven't contacted Ed in a while but I think it's less expensive to make your own. Is there only one shop in your area? What about purchasing screens online?

 

[Rottweiler1080z]

Looks like this is my new thread. Hello to all fellow vaporists! I can't wait to read all 20 pages about my newest "daily driver"
I've had it for about three weeks now and sold my Zephyr to get a HVY 8mm to water cool my vapor.<--The water cooling was the selling point for me.
I start my vaping at 300 degrees with dry herb preferred, and take it up to 330 max. I had to go to my local hardware store to get a large butane lighter the first day.
Less herb is better than more due to it being hard to draw if I fill it all the way. In my experience it seems to pack itself down just because of the hot air that you draw down over it. Especially if moist, and if you have vaped a little and let it cool down, then revape. Takes some power pulling sometimes if.. Always use a grinder in my opinion. I never pack it with my fingers as well, just let it fall in. Takes a small poker to loosen the ABV to tap it out. I have had a very small amount of combustion that had worked its way into the heat exchanger. I could taste it, and see it when tapping it out. It doesn't happen every time, but it has. I have used the hell out of it too. Anywhere from 2-10 per day of medicinal grade. VERY efficient! Up there with purple days in my opinion, but holds more for sure. I hated the MFLB! The only way I consider that a good vape is if it is your first switch from combustion. It got too hot in my opinion. It just burnt before it would vape it all. Green mixed with black...gross. Sold it cheap, quick. I will post some pictures of my set-up here soon, if you guy are into that sort of thing. I think I got a defective HVY though..It has three small cracks between the glass; meaning you can't feel it. Sucks too because I feel it is just a POS because I baby my glass, and just got it. I ordered a percolator online just in case this thing goes. My first perc too. It looks sweet, but shipping from out of country is a bitch. I'll be the 420th person on here to say that i'm baked and I'll type more later..Just rambling and wanting to start my voice in this thread.

 

[reece]

You probably should have gotten a warranty replacement for the Launch Box (or your technique needed refining). They aren't suppose to function in the way you describe.

 

[Goodlife101]

The Supreme milking my craigslist zong i just swooped for 30 bucks! nonthin fancy but still fun to milk i tried making a vid with my EXq but wasnt nearly as satisfying.....







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGJssrRdN6g

 

[dlownaughtysauce]

Congrats on the new vape Rott! Everyone has their own preference, but I think your vape temps might be a little high. I personally have never combusted with my supreme, but that's not to say you can't. Also, i've read there is expected variance in thermometer readouts. I noticed when I replaced my thermometer my preferred temps jumped up about 10 degrees or so; or so it seems. Right now I get great vapor at 260, 280, 300, 310. These are the temperatures I take the flame of my Blazer GB2001 off the heating element. Generally, the heat will rise some. When I take it off at 260, it'll rise to 280-290 on the readout. I tend to focus on the temp that I take the flame off at. Once the heating element is warm after first heat up, it takes less flame time to get to the next temp I want, and less flame-to-element means the heat acceleration is less. Even when I take the flame off at 310-315 my temp rarely rises above 330. At these temps I've been able to extract the goods from the plant material evenly and without any combustion.

How is your vapor production at these temps? Depending on how the thermometer is placed, the readout can vary quite a bit. At these temps I'm getting thick vapor milk.

I love the MFLB. I keep mine in my left pocket at all times. Loaded w/ kush & fresh battery. I dont know of a better stealth vape. In my opinion, that little thing gets me medicated on par with a handheld combustion pipe. Pretty cool if you are at work, movies, relatives, church ext...It's not going to ring me up like my supreme can, but it definitely medicates. I agree with reece, you should check out your technique, my buds only turn to a black/green mix if I am not paying attention to my method. When I use it like I intend the finished product is a mild brown.

GOODLIFE! holy hell brother that video is perfection. You look like a dragon when you hit that thing. I used to have a similar piece before I got into vaporizing. $30?

does anyone have any experience making their own bongs at home with the supreme. i'm sure most of you have seen this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVGJveUV5i4

anyone else fuck around with this much?

 

[blackbur]

Nah, don't really have an urge too cause there is glass available..now if there was none available..i would defiantly macguvyer something for short term use.