Yeah i do agree the dishes can put out the same size clouds. But i have to say something about the sublimator is just very very smooth in my opinion. Ill say its hard to go back after getting accustomed to the sapphire's taste. But anyways, i also agree about the atomizer getting gross. But every vape or device has some type of maintenance. Ive found cleaning the atomizer completley every few days, along with torching that bottom atomizer screen everyday keeps things up and going great. My atomizer isn't too old, but it does not have any Ti or SS logo. i assume that maybe the labeled atomizers are available/sold with the new xlr mini kits? I had assumed maybe the handle with logo is titanium and then the atomizer with the holes in the handle is stainless steel. This is just my assumption from looking at the items for sale from Planet Vape Im pretty positive mine is stainless steel, but i was just really being curious to be honest. Anyways. I know its just been discussed the Sublimator is not the best for concentrates, but has anybody tried it with some concentrate pads? I attempted 2 small and 1 medium sized dab on heat level #8. And i got super smooth convection clouds from my concentrates. The clouds were not as big as if applied to the heating element head, but it worked. I'm really prefering convection style concentrates. The EVO VapeXnails produce nice convection vapor in my opinion, but are just too messy and require an inhale technique that I'm not fond of. So now I'm trying to figure out/see if the sublimator can replicate that experience while also making things much easier as well I was wanting to crank the temp up to see if i could get bigger clouds or faster extraction. But was curious to the ignition point of the stainless steel concentrate pad. My google search showed 2,750 degrees F, but I'm not sure if this is correct and wanted to confirm here before attempting to crank up to temp #10 or #11 (Attempted with no atomizer or olite screens for full airflow) Then about your comment on the denim working to unscrew hot atomizers. What temp do you have your sublimator set at when you do this?