Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by vorrange, Nov 8, 2012.
Really great tips, I managed to switch easily but I never smoked cigs so it wasnt too bad.
What do you mean by satisfaction? Do you mean you prefer a different high or that you didn't feel as high or something else entirely?
I think, although there are differences in offset and duration, both vaporization and combustion highs are similar and easily replicated by either method. Or maybe there is something i am missing/forgot?
i dont think it matters how much you vape, you wont be able to replicate the same sensation you get from the immediate influx of a large dose of thc with bong using a solo, which takes several minutes to do a stem. i think i need to check out a desktop unit, as they seem to pack more of a punch.
so i would say that finding the right device is a big part in fucking combustion, gotta find something that compliments what your smoking style used to be.
But do you use your solo dry? Because there is a LOT more THC when you vaporize that would just be destroyed by combustion. I think definitly a desktop unit will be much easier for you, but the Solo is capable of some great clouds and many use it with water with excelent results.
i've tried the solo with my bong but there is just way too much drag to really sustain a session - i did like the accelerated extraction though, i've thought about grabbing a small bubbler to try with the solo as well, but havent made any moves.
I actually didn't have any trouble switching from combustion to vaporization. Granted, I use it medicinally and it works way better when I vaporizer. I also own a Cloud, and a Pax, two of which I consider are the best vaporizers out there. In my opinion that is. So I have no problem actually. In fact, I actually hate combustion now. When I am with a friend, about once a month or so, he'll light a blunt, but I can't really take it to be honest. I'll take one hit, and give it back, just to show I'm not being an utter snob, LOL. But I think I'm gonna have to pass on that too. Last time I went, we just vaporized :-).
But yeah, I say, if you just smoke medicinally, it's easy to switch to vaporization. I didn't have any problem. However, I never smoked cigarettes either.
Seems like your phase one was taking a lot of things you enjoy away. I think it would be more effective to plan more enjoyable and exciting things while on a vaping stint. Deprive yourself when you combust, not when you vape. There is no reason to avoid places you have smoked or avoid certain beverages, face the issues. I would also say that it is easily possible to quit all combustion all at once without stringing it out. This way you aren't going through 'quitting smoking' for months, you just start vaping and concentrating on your own personal happiness and well being. Don't hate yourself for combusting, just don't do it, always think of the benefits of vaping and always have a vape by your side.
If you can't enjoy just vaping, then maybe vaping just isn't for you, maybe you need to mix it up all the time. Just stick to what increases your level of happiness every day, we all have to die sometime might as well die happy.
Not sure if you are responding to my OP or to some of the answers that followed, or both.. but i'll answer.
I wrote it by phases for proper understanding and an easier and smoother transition from combusting to vaporizing, both tobacco and MJ. I do think, however, that you can do it without phase-ing it.
I agree when you say about planning exciting things, that is part of the reason i think exercise is good for you. But you can include other activities according to your preferences, of course.
What i don't agree is when you say there is no reason to avoid places or beverages. I faced the issues by acnowledging that i created double habits, like the coffee/cigarette or the coffee/spliff habit. I also created the habit of smoking after every meal.
To break these habits it helps if you stop the other habit. If you stop drinking coffee for a while, it will help not smoke as much since you won't have the association anymore. Of course you can do it without doing any of this, but its harder. Also coffee smells a lot and your sense of smell is deeply connected to your limbic system, so the smell alone can trigger your smoking urges.
Also, i did not advocate quitting smoking for months. IMO, its best if its fast, but if you are used to smoke tobacco alone it is more difficult to transition to vaporizing cannabis after combusting both tobacco and MJ. After all, nicotine is as addictive as heroin, unlike MJ.
Well I would say that an e-cig might just help you through a transitional stage a bit. I think that you just actually need to push through the urges and not change any other part of your life around that that you don' want to change. Instead of making it easy to quit, just push through it and feel better about yourself after. If you remove coffee or things that usually make you want to smoke, those things will always make you want to smoke until you do them enough without smoking. What you are doing apparently works, but it seems like if one knows that they want to quit they should just do that. Withdrawls might end up being a bitch, but one feels stronger after pushing through those things.
Yeah, it seems the e-cig is the best to help transition from combusting tobacco to being nicotine free. But your approach makes more sense, to me at least and in my experience, in a therapeutic kind of way.. i believe addictions are formed by wrong coping mechanisms we employ to help us through painfull events or something we are avoiding, and going through withdrawal will make us face, at last, what we have been avoiding.
But, i don't think that is the easiest way to transition. It does not make sense to me, to make it harder.
It might just be my personality, but once I know that one simple action will improve my quality of life, I jump to it the best I can. I guess yours is a long term approach, but in my mind I'd rather be clean starting ASAP.
I believe it is. I have no doubt you are saying what is real for you and yourself.
I would not say long term, but i did not do it all at once, no.. i first stoped smoking cigarettes, then i stopped smoking joints and only then, and after recessing quite a few times, was i able to finally stop both and only vaporize.
From what i have learned here at FC, i would have problably bought some ecigs but here in Portugal it is still mostly from China i did not like those so it was never an option.
My gf has not gone that route because she doesn't want to, i already told her it would be easier. ALthough she is in her 5th day since her last joint, and she has not used MJ in anyway, so cold turkey is working so far.
Whatever works for you man! Glad you have achieved goals you've set for yourself.
I was able to quit smoking cigarettes two years ago today, woot, and I've *almost* completely stopped combusting.
This is what worked for me to quit the habit: I made a firm decision to quit cigarettes because I could no longer bear to watch my health deteriorate as a result of them. I had several bouts of bronchitis the year prior, each one lingering longer than the last. I set a date to quit of 30 days from the day of my resolve, so that I could mentally prepare to let the cigarettes go.
In those 30 days, I did a lot of thinking. I envisioned what smoking was doing to my lungs and how much scar tissue I had built up from the abuse. I remembered how my grandmother would struggle to get air into her lungs, wheezing loudly as she gasped for breath when walking from her chair to the bathroom. I sadly remembered taking care of my mom as she was dying of lung cancer, how the cancer had spread to her brain by the time they found it, and she was no longer herself. I cringed as I remembered having to suction the phlegm out of her throat when she was suffocating on it because she didn't have the strength to cough it out.
I started thinking about what my future held if I were to continue smoking. It held a life of living with COPD and dependency on all the accoutrements: inhalers, nebulizers, portable oxygen, etc. I recalled having pneumonia and how ragged my lungs felt, how even a deep breath would hurt. I thought about how I did not want to have to put anyone I loved through what I had been through with my mom.
Mulling these thoughts over in the weeks prior to quitting, I found myself less and less attracted to smoking. I finally couldn't wait until my quit date, and wound up stopping altogether a couple of days prior to my quit date - I just didn't want it anymore. That doesn't mean I wasn't still addicted, though. I used nicotine gum for the cravings, and it worked pretty well. I also would smoke a joint whenever I had a serious craving that wouldn't go away with the gum alone. I went through a lot of herb, but smoked no cigarettes. After staying on the gum for about two weeks, I started to taper it down slowly until I was finally off of it altogether a few weeks later. I also fought any cravings I had by not "entertaining" the idea of it - instead I would distract myself by turning on some tunes or call a friend.
Wow, this post got really long. To sum it up:
1. Set a quit date (not tomorrow), and stick to it.
2. Mentally prepare yourself to quit in the weeks prior to that date (think about what the future holds if you fuck up your lungs - you'll be toting a portable oxygen bottle behind you wherever you go, *if* you can even go anywhere.
3. Use some form of nicotine replacement for a couple of weeks, then taper it down SLOWLY. Over several weeks if possible.
4. When you have severe cravings, distract yourself for five minutes and the craving should pass. If not, smoke weed
5. If you *know* you'll be in a trigger situation (i.e., partying with smokers), slap on a nicotine patch before you go.
Sorry for the length of the post, but quitting is complicated. It took me several times to get right
Thanks for sharing Purrito, i like how you set a date and then reminded yourself why you want to stop and what did it do to your health.
I have a timer app with several dates, one of them is when i stopped combusting. I like to remind myself how long i have been smoke free.
OP, I havent read your whole post simply because im not there yet, BUT I gotta say you are the man & great minds do great things
Combustion free for 1 year. I could never go back. Even if my all my vapes broke, I would just eat the bud.
The transition was long, but exponential. Partly due to the fact that I was young and dumb and did not know about this awesome forum. Knowledge really is raw power, and knowing your tools is key!
I was a paper joint only smoker and loved some strong ass tobacco. Damn you American Spirits.
What was the final push that got me away from inhaling combusted shit?
Feels like I would have to write a god damn psychology paper to explain such things.
I originally wrote a few pages length of reasons but gave up as the extrapolation was clouding the message.
Ignorance is bliss.
I only started vaping middle of august. There's already been 2 substantial humps in my transition, and I am currently on the 2nd down turn aka smoking more often than vaping, yet I am learning to use LESS when I smoke whereas before vaping, I always let myself get caught under the impression that I needed to pack a full bowl, or roll a phant joint, and smoke it to the face. That shit is dumb unless I consciously know im being dumb, in which case there's just no excuses. Anyway, I love my vapes!!! Main reason I've been smoking is because It's the easiest thing to do before work when I only have a few spare minutes!
You need a pen vape man always ready no matter what. That's how my ssv stays for 16 hrs a day too always at temperature ready to vape.
Been vaping for a few years on and off. Started with an iolite about 3 years ago, but kept smoking as well. Picked up a MFLB and V-tower a year or so later and started vaping more often. About 6 months ago I got into oil vapes (thermovape/delta9), this led to me finally retiring my one hitter and becoming a true vaporist. Don't think i could ever go back to smoking. That goes for cigarettes too
I used to smoke cigarettes every day. It got to the point that I would pack cigarette tubes because it was cheaper... I don't smoke unless I drink. I don't feel guilty when I drink. When I am stoney or sober, I feel guilty if I have a smoke, so I don't. That's just how it's been. I only drink maybe 3-4 times a year anyways.
I do love my vape, but, there's more to the pot culture than just vaporizers... I've never had a portable vape though, so I'm probably really biased.
A lot of people get turned off by vapes because they have only tried some knock-off whip that doesn't give them a strong hit. It's frustrating.
They're all like, "I didn't even feel it maaaan. Vapes suck. Yours isn't gonna be any better."
Shut up. Try it. Float away.
The best whip I've tried has gotta be the SSV. First experience with a real vape... it was great!
... got off topic.
People think it's weird that I can just switch smoking on and off. I don't ever combust when I'm alone, just vape. If I'm out doing something, I usually leave my stuff at home since the vape buzz keeps going lol. So clean. Who would turn down a bowl with buddies though? Nobody.
Tobacco is whacko, yo.
Yeah having a portable on hand can quickly fix that situation. But a lot of times I just say sorry I only vape. My friends got used to it and now don't even bother passing to me anymore.
On another note I had a nightmare last night that I was smoking a cigarette and drinking. I woke up paranoid. Must be old memories haunting me. Dreams are fucked up.
Boy do i miss dreaming =(
I have trouble quitting mainly because of conservation but also because vaping is way too moreish for me. My WW has not come yet and haven't heard from cookie in about half a week since I payed for it but its a busy time of year. I will probably find it easier then.
But there is also the matter that some weed just feels better when it is combusted.. Especially when trichromes are too clear and you get nothing more than a headbuzz
I am not sure if vaping is more short lived but have found it to be the case with some strains
Well, it's been months since I smoked. Today I had 3 hits off the blunt. I could not take it. I hated the taste, I hated the smell, I hated the feeling. I am an absolute pure vaporist now :-). And I am proud of it. :-D.