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Science and Souls (for geeks and spiritual explorers)

Discussion in 'The Vapor Lounge' started by Bob Loblaw, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. Bob Loblaw

    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    i am a great lover of geek culture. i subscribe to things like the nerdist and geek and sundry and star talk (with NDT) on youtube as well as to i fucking love science, GRSA (Geeky Redheads and their Supporters and Admirers), Tysonism, etc. on FB. (p.s. GRSA's tumbler page is NSFW!)

    i am one of those annoying people who consider myself spiritual, but not religious.
    i believe in math above all. sacred geometry, the tree of life, fibonacci, fractals, etc.
    i guess you could call me a quantum seeker, or a fool, whichever works for you ;).
    my tag is astralnaut for a reason ;) so any method of enlightenment is welcome.

    i am aware that i might be "crossing the streams" as it were and to make things clearer
    i am not look for palmistry or phrenology or seance workers
    nor am i looking for extreme atheists or the dogmatic of any kind.

    Alex Grey is a huge artistic inspiration, as is Tool.

    Please share stories, pictures, videos. anything that is a celebration
    of geek culture, science, philosophy, art, or spirituality.
    again, this is to celebrate, not argue or challenge.
    if you choose to engage in debate, please do it in a personal message.


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    a great pic of a meteoroid from the Perseid Shower. - Graham Kelaher Photography (FB)

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    "Fawkes", by Randal Roberts


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    http://www.timewheel.net/Image-Shaman-Art



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    also, if you FB you can find me posting on a page called "Militant Agnostics"
     
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  2. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    I call this psychedelic spirituality. Exactly as you described when one refused traditional religions, yet believes in higher powers of the universe. A god may fit into the psychedelic spirituality as well, yet he would be far different from every religious definition of god. The god may be the universe itself. I've always been fascitated by sheer fractal detail of the universe going into infinity. We are not even sure if we found even one end of the zoom spectrum. And if the unviverse is a fractal, does it contain infinite number of other universes as well? Black holes could be the best candidates for that. They are exploded singularities from a single point to a finite ellipse - just like a big bang. However we can't see into them.
    It is almost getting scary how you can see fractal literally everywhere in the nature. Every life form is a fractal, including the evolution tree itself. As well as galaxies and everything natural that occurs in the universe.

    Alex Grey's painting are from the other universe. He has an amazing combination of two skills - retrieving perfect images from deep psychedelic journeys and being able to put them on paper somehow.
    All of this is why I call this kind of spirituality psychedelic. Psychedelic are catalyzers of this thinking. It was a psychedelic journey what opened my eyes the most to the fractal beauty and mystery of everything as well as all these spiritual concepts.
    Of course people don't need psychedelics to get there or even to obtain this kind of spirituality. Psychedelic thinking has its seeds in all of us. Some will kill them, some will grow them through meditation, openness to everything, or psychedelics...
     
  3. abhishek

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    Read about a Indian mathematician Ramanujan...
    Do read about how he used to get these complex formulas while in trance
     
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    Contemplate fractal infinity . . . math is truth . . . :peace:


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    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    this is a good place to mention.. i have the e-book: Be Here Now - by Ram Dass, hidden in my signature.. any one interested, click just after the end of the joint.. i forgot that was stashed there. :peace:

    edit: i also have 2 Lao Tzu e-books stashed in my profile under the information section.. you have to click the last (green) star.
     
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    EveryDayAmnesiac Bad news from the stars.

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  10. Bob Loblaw

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    nice catch ;) loved that episode.

    i also was gonna call it "Kill All Extremists!" but thought that might raise some flags, lol

    although i still want to make a shirt with that on it and it is my fervent wish that i am shot by some crazed idealogue while wearing that shirt, who then reads the shirt, gets the irony and blows his/her own head off. did i mention that i am a sick fuck? only by making friends with the darkness can we stop it from controlling us :ko:

     
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    Enchantre A short, pithy statement

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    I think this just might be a place for me, too. :)
     
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  13. Bob Loblaw

    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    definitely some interesting stuff in there, LT. thanks for the contribution
     
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    No problem, this is a cool thread! Looking into any of those links would keep you busy for a while haha, just add cannabis.
     
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    I read part of that and it reminds me of Kerouac ... have you read "On The Road" or "The Dharma Bums" or "Dr. Sax"? ("On The Road" is one of my favourite all time books ...)
     
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    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    you are definitely welcome here enchantre!

    love Kerouc, Jcat!
     
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    @Bob Loblaw ... I fall into the same category as you Bob ... I believe in Math above all else as well (and am not at all religious although hope there is more to life than what we are conscious of) ... the Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design" is an excellent read and talks a lot about the Universe and leaves you with as many questions as answers (as science has a way of doing!) ... the way stuff behaves at a quantum level really make me wonder how limited our actual understanding of things and ability to grasp/think-of certain things and process them might be ... (ie. there might be a lot more to it than meets the eye ... its a real strange idea that our observation of events that occurred in the past can effect their impact/outcome ... don't want to get into the in depth explanation ... but it's a matter of observation makes something factual as opposed to probable and eliminates the other probabilities as their magnitudes go to zero once you have a certainty and thus those other probabilities cease to impact reality changing ... at a quantum level everything that can occur does occur with varying magnitudes of probability ...)

    Anyways ... everyone should read (more like studying though ... it's a tough read) "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking ... it's probably the easiest to understand work on our current understanding of the Universe though ...
     
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    @ Jcat, i also really enjoy quantum philosophy. if you already have a base understanding, and enjoy strange fiction, you might also like...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

    The Illuminatus! Trilogy is a series of three novels written by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson first published in 1975.[1] The trilogy is a satirical, postmodern, science fiction-influenced adventure story; adrug-, sex-, and magic-laden trek through a number of conspiracy theories, both historical and imaginary, related to the authors' version of the Illuminati. The narrative often switches between third and first person perspectives and jumps around in time. It is thematically dense, covering topics like counterculture,numerology, and Discordianism.

    lots of crazy shit goes down as you can imagine. blends the lines between reality and non-reality. i first read it at the most (in)opportune time in my life. while trying to shut down my third eye after spending a year tranced out on speed prying it open (and reading everything from crowley to hawking). i need to reread it again. it's how i first learned about schroedinger
     
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    nope never heard of those.. i'll have to check it out.. iv'e been meaning to get my self back into reading more.. i used to read a lot about any and every interest i had.. its been a while though honestly hah.. i have attention span problems these days and extended reading is a PITA usually. nice thread Bob.. its cool to have a place to share these things.. i look forward to hearing about more interesting reads others have to recommend..
     
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    @Bob Loblaw ... Love those dystopian books! Looks like this series is along those lines! I'll check it out after my current work stint insanity and I finish the series I started while on vacation (the "I Am Number Four" series ... a fun read so far ... no Kerouac but I really couldn't handle a Kerouac right now as I'm too busy with work.
     
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    Bro do read about Ramanujan,though he had a very sad life, but he was truly blessed..
    He sometimes, used to go hungry for days, coz wateva money he had, he spent it to buy paper and pencils. He didn't have a eraser , so he had a habit of using his elbow to wipe , and make corrections..he used to say that , all his work used to come to him in his dreams, where god used to tell him all these formulas
     
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    Scientists working outside cultural illusions and dogmas
    http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html
    Morphogenic fields and Morphic Resonance- the Cosmos is like an organism whose dynamics are like habits- not a machine based on absolute laws- Sheldrake has generated a vast body of experiment showing that telepathy and other resonance phenomena are facts.
    http://www.wolfram.com/webresources.html-NKS is the ultimate approach to understanding and harnessing Nature- using the computational universe to understand and program the computational universe- going outside the thin thread of human knowledge to search the space of all possible processes-
    https://www.my-big-toe.com/-Tom Campbell- NASA physicist who echoes the discovery that Reality is a holographic computation from a fundamental fractal recursion- and that this ontology provides a simple explanation of quantum mechanics and both the normal and paranormal aspects of consciousness-
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    http://www.deanradin.com/-Dean Radin - Neuroquantology applied to Psi phenomena- shows that quantum experiments and quantum mechanics both predict and experimentally verify psi phenomena- Radin shows that Psi has more experimental and rational evidence than nearly any other science-
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    http://persingerpublications.com/-Michael Persinger- experimental neuroquantology and electromagnetic dynamics of the brain- experimental verification of Psi and soul- has experimentally shown that the mind is the electrical patterns produced by the brain- and that these electrical patterns operate at the same frequency as the electromagnetic field of the earth itself- driving resonance/entanglement conditions and information transfer of mind states anywhere and everywhere in the earth's electromagnetic field- and that the em field holographically stores ALL conscious activity of every mind in the present - past - and future- he has developed technology to augment and amplify these resonance effects-
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    http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/-a community of scientists and engineers working together to build an understanding of the Electric Universe- accepting the primacy of the electric force and deconstructing the modern relativistic and materialistic models of nature-
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    http://markpesce.com/-Mark Pesce- Virtual Reality pioneer that says we are Mid-Singular- the Singularity is total connection of all consciousness and information- and is a process that takes about a billion seconds- we are now half way there-
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    http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/-Ben Goertzel- AI researcher who embraces a pantheistic teleological singularity- fully incorporating the implications of Psi and technoshamanism-
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    http://accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis.html-John Smart- developed Von Neumann's Omega Point ideas into a testable hypothesis: The Transcension Hypothesis- which posits an answer to Fermi's Paradox- all technological civilizations are trapped in a positive feedback loop of compressing information technology that inevitably leads to an information Omega Point collapse where civilizations transcend space and time - ultimately meeting in Inner Space instead of outer space- this hypothesis about the future is unique in that it actually makes testable predictions in radio astronomy- Smart also applies these teleological ideas to our past with his Evo/Devo model of evolution- instead of random drift evolution has a goal- it develops toward optimal environmental utility- which inevitably leads to intelligence- technology- and Omega
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    http://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/-Eric Dollard- continues the Aether physics of Tesla and the Versor Algebra of Steinmetz - and he insists that we do not understand electricity- which is the primal and singular force in the universe - and that the Aether is fundamentally a two-dimensional entity- one dimension of space and one dimension of time- with quaternion rotations through counter-space and counter-time that establish all the dynamics of the universe-

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    I am personally not a science geek per-say, i know about sheldrakes work but I'm sure you guys will find these other links insightful.
     
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