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Quartz Banger Thread

Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by Danksta, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. Ferrusbuelker

    Ferrusbuelker Member

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    @Danksta Ive been using a soldering tool called helping hands for about a year to hold flat coils for my thermals. You can get them at Harbor Freight or Amazon. I even got custom made 50mm flat coil for a haterkeg and used the hands. If you are going in that direction be careful, you have to have enough contact with the glass that heats properly but not too much where the nail pops out of the joint. It can be sometimes be more trouble then it's worth definitely have a couple burns in the carpet. All that experimenting came because I was so Liger I wanted to create an all quartz 50mm banger with sapphire insert. Anyway, my favorite setup right now is either the 30mm Toro slitless (the banger shreds) with an enail coil I made or 54 mm Mayoral flat top disc. Btw for flat top I had liger cap made for the grail better than any bubble or directional I've tried. Kind of like the convection caps and seal is incredible. Next purchase is either 40mm Mayoral or maybe Quartz pi. Anyone tried one? Anyway hope that helps solve your desire for securing a flat coil. The other route I've taken is order some k type hot runner heaters from China and bent them like AugustHaus coils for Liger so you have flat and barrel combined. It can be too much heat.
     
  2. ensabbahnur

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  3. Ferrusbuelker

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  4. Danksta

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  5. Ferrusbuelker

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    I just order V2 enternal for my grail. Have to see what all the hype of the uptemp drop is about. Toro glass gallery also sells core reactor inserts for $35. Problem is they sell out quickly. My only issue with the pad inserts is my oil would go underneath and burn. Maybe I didn’t have a tight enough fit but it just got nasty quickly. Just dropped $ on crank cap. Hoping it also work with Liger 30mm? I’m hoping it has some other use for the price. Anyone tried the convection or hemisphere caps from eternal? Or mayors cup from Mayoral is similar idea I think.
     
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  6. Danksta

    Danksta Well-Known Member

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    The eternal dab pad insert isn't just the core. It's all one piece of quartz making it easier to clean than just a Toro disc.

    Let us know about the v2 insert. I love my v1.

    Also curious if the crank cap works for your liger.
     
  7. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Can someone please enlighten me on Bangers?


    I LOVE bangers, and heady shit, but I just dont understand the world of three figure quartz ($$$).

    I Q-Tip the shit out of my rigs, but there is no way to combat the fogging that occurs from repeated torching. How can one spend so much on a banger that will be fogged to death in 2-3 weeks?

    Will it be more efficient than my $15 banger from the LHS? Will it provide better flavor?

    What is the secret to torch and not fog these nice bangers up?
    When something fogs as fast as quartz, I tend to see it more of a disposable purchase and have not been able to justify the big price tag.


    I keep it low temp, 10 sec torch with a blazer big shot, 40-45 second cool down, boom, cap, q-tip.
     
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  8. ensabbahnur

    ensabbahnur Hash Vacuum

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    while i can't in anyway try to justify their prices, there are certainly ways to mitigate devitrification

    I know its HE and they are ti people but the last 3 articles on their blog is pure quartz science dealing directly with what you're wondering

    https://www.highlyeducatedti.com/blogs/information
     
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  9. invertedisdead

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  10. SMODomite

    SMODomite Well-Known Member

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    Hey, I am about to purchase an Eternal Quartz myself and stumbled across this thread. I am thinking of getting the 30 mm banger with the V2 insert with the removal slit, and was thinking of adding an extra insert to the order since my and my fiance usually are taking back to back dabs so figured it would be best to each have our own insert to load up.

    Would you say the bubble cap is a must? I have a nice XL spinner cap with a small nipple on the bottom made by a local glass artist and am going to try to use that at first.

    Any info is appreciated thanks!
     
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  11. Danksta

    Danksta Well-Known Member

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    I keep my banger, insert and bubble cap in a 50/50 solution of ISO/Dark Crystal when not in use. That will keep them pretty much brand new if you do that from the start. I didn't do that in the beginning and my banger formed some carbon on the bottom. I was amazed at what a 3 day soak did to it. It got rid of a lot of the carbon. If I had kept it in my solution from day 1 there would be little to no buildup.

    Yes I think it is. It's designed for this system and the weight of it helps create a seal most caps won't give. When you inhale it helps pull the cap and create an air tight seal.

    I just use the basic boro one. The kiln ones seem pretty cool if you're able to spend that much. I personally didn't see myself doing convection dabs often.

    Like I said above if you keep your gear soaking while not in use it will keep it sparkly clean like the first day you got the new gear.

    Enjoy! It's still one of my favorite toys and prized possession.
     
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  12. SMODomite

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    Thanks for the info, never thought of soaking while not in use but that is a good idea, my current banger is nothing special and still looks pretty brand new after a couple months of use with q tip and iso after each dab but for something this expensive I will want to keep it looking pristine.

    Thanks for the info on the cap, I will give the one I have a shot at first as it is a pretty heavy cap and see how it does, if it doesn't seem to spin the oil well or give an air tight seal I'll spend the $50 on the bubble cap, I just placed my order and it says a 7-10 day ship so hopefully I will have it early November
     
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  13. FlyingLow

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    Went for some butane this week and saw thermochomatic bangars at my LHS.

    Has anyone used these?

    I've had brilliant success at low temps with just a timer, but I can see this as being really helpful for nailing the right temp.
     
  14. trichurious

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    I’m quite confused with all the slang and names for all this nails and bangers stuff so I’d like to ask a few questions.

    I want the cheapest way I can get one of the cute little glass bongs and vape dry herb through using a heat wand type thing. Very few people doing it on YouTube and I saw one guy using like a dab tool, he heated it and not the banger/nail whatever the pot is called. I asked him and he said it’s a hot wand. Looked these up and found electrical highly expensive sorts and so on. I just want a little glass prong type that u just press onto the weed.

    What’s the difference in a nail and a banger? Do they come all as part of a bong or do u have to buy bits separate?

    On the concentrates side of thins I’m curious how does a bubble cap work? What’s the theory in how it’s milking oil up forever? I’ve been using a dab pen and it seems totally random, a crumb will produce 10 puffs one time, and a bit twice the size will produce next to nothing. Then it’ll suddenly revive after it’s cooled down, get the feeling it’s a massive science as to how u get the max vapour from some concentrate...?

    Also only the very first hit actually tastes nice, the rest tastes way way less even tho it’s producing vape for another 10 tugs..
     
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  15. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    There are several parts to this response... Ill post and edit as I elaborate.

    Wands used for flower are not vaping, this is combustion like a mutherfucker. So you may not find much information nor many users here on FC that do this.

    Nail Vs Bangar.
    Many cheapo glass rigs (dhgate for example) will include glass nails. They look like a nail, it is a glass nail. Bangars tend to be bought separately and can be found in china for a couple dollars, or at your local shop for $10-$XXX. Bangars look more like a bucket. Many nails are glass, while all bangars of quality are quartz. Both operate similarly. Heat, let cool to a desired temp, and drop on material.

    Nails and Bangars are exclusively used for concentrates, and not functionally desirable to put flowers on or in.


    You could put your whole gram into that pen of yours and it would not do you as good as one rice size serving on a banger. You think you like concentrates now, but your whole world is about to elevate.

    I don't know what pen you use so this is a complete hypothesis based on using a ton of pens... what tends to happen is your material will run away from the heater/atomizer before it vaporizes. Your pen cannot heat it fast enough. If you are deadset on using a pen, get a mod box and give it some nice stable clean power. If you want to go on the ride of your life and never look back, go get a d020 on dhgate (knockoff mobius), a banger and a torch- never look back.


    ...AND FLAVOR- forget about flavor with your pen!
    Smoking out of a dog's asshole tastes better than used pens! Get a rig!
     
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  16. trichurious

    trichurious New Member

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    Ok cool but even rigs still need cleaning out right?
    Anyways I use a grizzly honey dab, found it dirt cheap and as a beginner needed to experiment before spending more on better. I’m not incidentally talking about thc and getting hammered, I can’t handle thc at all this is cbd concentrates only, but I still hear ya on the whole effectiveness tween rig n pen idea. Also I want temperature controlled to vape at no higher than 380f, using a torch to heat is gonna be combustion right? Unless there was a temp gauge to show how hot the nail/banger is. So I’m looking at enail then, also expensive :/
    So what’s best way to VAPE bud but also thru water?
     
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  17. dynospec

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    @trichurious I think when you talk about wands and bongs you mean whip vaporizers attached to bongs perhaps? That is one way to "vaporbong". To do this you need a vaporizer and a bong with glass on glass connectors (GonG) of a specific size, usually 14mm or 18mm (sometimes you see 14, 14.5 15, and 18, 18.8, 19 these all refer to 14 or 18)

    Then you need a vaporizer which you can then connect to your bong, there are a few ways to do this and it will vary from vaporizer to vaporizer.

    For instance, I own a Arizer Extreme Q, and their Solo2 I ordered a 14mm GonG stem for my solo2, this lets me hook it up to my bong which also has a 14mm connection. I just ordered a kit to hook my EQ up to my bong aswell, but you can get the connectors from various vendors. The one I ordered is from @DDave hes a great guy, and would help you figure things out Im sure.

    Hope that helps answer some of your questions, sorry for going so off topic. If you need any more help or have more questions feel free to PM me.


    On topic, I do like quartz quite a bit, but I love how little maintenance my HE Ti nail needs. Too bad my Ti nail is 10mm and I broke my 10mm rig haha. Ever since I found Dark Crystal Clear cleaner though, I do like the quartz more it makes a big difference! I know people who dab off of the grossest bangers, layers of shit burned on and puddles that smoke and stuff, then they say "OH MAN that tastes SO GOOD!" I dont value their opinion on taste much.
     
  18. SMODomite

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    Been using my quartz insert for a few weeks and love the thing, but definitely having trouble keeping the thing clean. I soaked in ISO overnight and am going to try to clean it when I get home from work later, any tips on keeping them clean? I would rather not have to soak them every time they are not in use since I worry about the ISO not evaporating off since you don't torch the actual insert but if that is the only way to keep it clean I will have to figure out a way to give the insert a quick torch blast to remove any residual iso
     
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  19. Danksta

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    I keep a container with 50/50 ISO/Dark Crystal Cleaner on hand for my soaks. The Dark Crystal stuff is worth getting IMO. It makes a big difference.

    Just rinse the insert with water and dry it off. Good to go. :D
     
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  20. dynospec

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    The stuff @Danksta is talking about honestly works like magic on quartz, and imo is an essential thing to have if you are using anything made of quartz to use concentrates.

    https://darkcrystalclear.com/
     
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  21. SMODomite

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    Thanks for the tips, I ordered a bottle yesterday off Amazon which should be here Friday. The long iso soak I did didn't do much at all so I ended up holding the insert with a metal pick and blasting it for about 30 seconds with the torch and looks good as new, hopefully with the Crystal Clear I can keep it looking nice for a while
     
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  22. Danksta

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    It makes a big difference. You should notice a difference after an overnight soak.
     
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  23. SMODomite

    SMODomite Well-Known Member

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    Thanks again, got my Crystal Clear last week and it definitely makes a difference.
     
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  24. Mr. Whitewall

    Mr. Whitewall Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys!

    I was lucky enough to receive a HE V2 Gavel this Christmas with a purchase, and am still in awe :o...
    At first, I thought: 'oh cool, I mentioned I only vaped so they exchanged the Sovereignty clear bowl for a nice banger instead. Prolly worth $45, same as bowl'... Then I realised it was the Gavel! :love: :drool: :bowdown:

    I'm a TOTAL noob with bangers and torches in general mind you, always found them too scary to manipulate while stoned :freak:, but now I guess there's no going back! :goat:


    So I have few questions for you fellow "banger maniacs" :p:
    I already have some Crystal Clear, but am not certain whether I should get a quartz insert for the HE as well?
    I read they're especially suited for preserving the banger completely clean, among other advantages.
    Problem is, they seem to be out of stock everywhere!

    Also read on IG a new technique for low temp torching: first step was to place the dab in a cold banger, then torch, lastly hit while the oil started vaping and cap. Q-tip.
    Can't remember if there were any other steps? Seemed sensible enough considering the temps mentioned in those articles from the HE blog @ensabbahnur quoted a few posts back???

    What's your take on this folks?


    BTW thanks @ensabbahnur for the links to the blog, very informative!:clap:
     
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  25. alittledabwilldoya'

    alittledabwilldoya' Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.

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    Check out Eternal Quartz inserts for up-tep dabbing.

    Also, anyone pick one of the Toro TerpSlerper knockoffs?
    This one looks like the pick of the (knockoff) litter: https://www.dhgate.com/product/xl-x...recinfo=8,101,4#frpd-4-5|null:101:r0628747000
    + banger hanger: https://www.dhgate.com/product/14mm...recinfo=8,103,1#cppd-1-5|null:103:r0490534760

    :peace:
     
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