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Lil' Bud by Vapwood

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Bravesst, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    I've been using my glass-lined roasting tubes exclusively since I seated the screen deeper, and for me it's just a wow. I've not done anything to the stem-it's still 19/22 with no hemp and no holes and it rocks. I've not touched another vape at home. Don't need to.
     
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  2. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    I feel the same way, no real need to hit on anything else. All LB, all the time. I dug out on my Black & Tan shorty to really see how cool the cooling tube is. The stem brings it down to totally controllable, and just like that the beast has been tamed. This is a curiously interesting development. So with a 8 mm distance from coil to stem (normally 10), shorten stem 3 mm's and we are back in business, but that extra heat is still close by if I need it. Now might be the time to build a couple test pilots...
     
  3. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    The goal is to split my time between Elite development, and building Classics / Blends. I've had enough stock for about a dozen Blends in these 4 styles (the one not shown is just like number 3, but cherry instead of maple as the third wood). I've got a dozen of these beauties.

    From left to right...
    1. Tricolor Black & Tan
    2. Strawberry Shortcake
    3. Purple Chocolate Syrup
    4. Grape Chocolate Cherry (not show)
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    These bad boys are beyond gorgeous, and you're looking at bare wood, no finish. As of right now, they are potential for batch 10, end of month units. Blends are listed at $199 bare bones on the website. F0r this deal, I'll throw in a free mouthpiece from the stock I currently have (first come first serve). Shipping is an additional $10.
     
  4. SnowDome

    SnowDome Member

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    So after finally getting time to become acquainted with my new lil' friend here, i'm impressed to say the least.
    Heat up time is very fast, seems to have a nice even spread of heat across the bowl. The finish is buttery smooth in the hand (i got the grain to pop a bit with some beeswax+mineral oil finish). The switch feels nice, has a satisfying click to it. All around i got nothing but good things to say about it. :tup:

    One other thing would be getting myself one of those glass lined tubes everyone is talking about, only problem is i haven't been able to find out about pricing, shipping (to canada hopefully), or even where to place an order for one :huh: So if anyone could point me in the right direction for one of those, i'd greatly appreciate it!

    edit: wanted to mention the gorilla glue worked perfectly for getting the magnet back in place, it's not going anywhere now.
     
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  5. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Happy Sunday Morning,
    Clocks set, Reddy sleeping on my lap. All good. As I suck the crap outta this glorious 19/19, glass lined, bored out and peripherally perforated walnut cooling tube, I am sure that manual regulation needs its own mouthpiece. Testing still needs to happen, and people will like different things, but I feel with the right roasting tube set up, regulation becomes unnecessary.

    I think the key will be finding your perfect tube set up, might even change with different strains as well as vape profiles, but this is what I'm finding from ALL my experiments.

    12 mm glass insert
    Huge difference in heat. This thin glass lining sucks up heat, but AFTER the vaporization process. I think it might also help the heat stay nearer the load.

    19/19 taper
    Huge difference in combustion potential as well as a reduction in heat felt. Overall much smoother at longer duration, lower temp hits. Definitely sacrifice some battery efficiency here.

    13 mm hole bored into tapered tip
    Fantastic idea to stabilize the basket screen, give it a set place to mount. I like about a 3/8 depth, can still load pretty close to the tip. This seems to give the best ABV results, cleaner, drier. This also opens up the surface area exposed to heat, and allows you to load a bit more product. We are also talking about trying out a 14 mm hole.

    8 small holes drilled around tip circumference (1/8 or so from tip)
    I wasn't sure about this one, but whether it just removes wood and allows better heating of herb, or it provides better airflow, it seems to extract nicely, keep airflow wide open, and reduce combustion potential.

    Hemp added to glass
    Keep this light, don't overload. A small ball of hemp in the narrow glass tube can be very effective. I find with a brand new set up, this can dampen things down a bit.

    SS foil spiral added to glass
    Yet to try, maybe today...

    My testing process has been simple. I've applied one, two, three, four, five of the above on various tubes, as I've vaped throughout the day, and the one that one that I keep coming back to, most user friendly, coolest, best taste, strongest effect is using everything but the hemp. The hemp works well, but optional. I like how this combination kind of loosens up the process, gives me a bigger window of spectacular vapor with less effort, and concentration. I can do it while I'm typing here or in deep concentration about something else.
    I think the distance and glass do that for me.

    @SnowDome @Alan makes them, and I should be getting a bunch from him soon as well.
     
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  6. Slickwilly

    Slickwilly Excombustor

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    @Alan will gladly point you in the right direction. :tup:

    Just got a few glass lined tubes myself from his last batch. Really like the coolness from the glass. Easier to keep clean and less smell than the all wood tubes, if smell is a concern?

    The satin wood one he made me is awesome!
    Will have to get a few new pics up to share :drool:
     
  7. funkyjunky

    funkyjunky www.lamart.ch Manufacturer

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    ss foil spiral, really? after the capsule stems, thats bold my friends :D
     
  8. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Yes, easy to clean, especially if you start a tube glass lined and keep it that way. I want to think of these as almost disposable, keeping the wood clean. I only have a few that I'm testing right now. Have you tried the bored out the tip to 13 mm? The perforations around the circumference about an 1/8 from the tip may also give a more even roast. More testing here.
     
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  9. Slickwilly

    Slickwilly Excombustor

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    I plan on trying it on a shorter tube first, just to play it safe, have extra of those.

    Don't want to wreck any of the longer tubes Alan has made me. :tup:
     
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  10. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    I have to say that after dialing in the screen placement on these glass lined tubes from @Alan (KUDOS), I am not thinking of the Elite at all. There's just no need. For me. I can certainly see how that's going to be a popular item in the overall community, but man. It's not on my VAS list. Which is now really short, and my vape inventory is going to be reduced so I have room for a desktop-the real hole in my vape collection.

    I am however, even more interested in the Timber. Hopefully '19 will see the development of the Timber as a self-regulated device.
     
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  11. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    Yeah, I agree with @beyond6strings: the glass stem from Alan gives me more consistent results from my LB and I really don't want or need settings like my Splinter and Tubo X require.

    I'm glad Mike has seen the light with the glass liner and those other little stem tweaks. Faithful readers of this thread might recall that I came back straight away to recommend and gush about the longer glass-lined stem as soon as I got mine.
     
  12. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Having these glass liners has definitely been a game changer. @beyond6strings , are you loading the inserts?, or just using as a liner? I would imagine some real cool microdosing possibilities there. I think I'm a bit lazy for that much loading and unloading, but I'm sure it's spectacular.

    I do need to get some more inserts, for both customers and myself, so I can create a bunch of Manual Regulation Cooling Tubes for sale with LB (thanks @Alan for another winner). The rest I can do myself. Yes, I have to admit @bossman, my personal *need* for the Elite has gone down. I've always thought that so much control was in the tube, this is proving that physical, structural (manual) changes can be more powerful than even advanced computerized, but somewhat finicky, electronic control.

    With that said, got my CNC router half together. Not so bad, so far. I have a feeling assembly is gonna be the easy part. --- oops, this should be an Elite thread post.
     
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  13. SpudBob

    SpudBob Well-Known Member

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    I can tell you this. I, personally have used mine all three ways. 8mm with a tiny screen, 10mm ,and
    12mm.I, originally got mine about 8 months ago from Alan for my Milaana for the same reason. I felt the flow of the RBT stems was too free flowing. So when I got my batch 7.??? I just transferred it to the LB to see the difference. I never looked back. I too just got a new Satinwood 4" dual 19/22 piece. Beautiful Alan, by the way, and wanted it non-glass lined 10mm straight through. Alan, however, thought i wanted it glass lined. I told him not this time, but he'd already bored it out that way. When i got it I found that 3 of the glass liners I had bought on Amazon fit perfectly. The reason I didn't really want the glass lined is I had broken the one in my first WonG he sold me. They are fit pretty precisely so find a replacement without sending it back to Alan is not easy. NOT all 8mm glass tubes are the same O.D. Long story long I do like the glass lined tubes but you have to be careful not to break the liner!!!
     
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  14. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    @Bravesst I'm putting the screen right at about the 1/2" mark, I've got it measured and marked on the LB stir tool, and fill it with however much I want and give it a good tamp.

    What I really love is that I can have a long, leisurely 12+ draw session like I had this morning with about .2g, or have a shorter micro-dose session of .07. Either works. And works well.

    I've found that stirring with a deeper seated screen is both easier and more effective. The second half of my sessions are easily as good as the first half. And flavor is fabulous throughout.

    I've also found that I can get 4-5 sessions out of a battery too; not the 3 or 4 I was doing. It's all much more efficient, and easier to use. Each session is as good or better than the last; no more inconsistent results.

    It's remarkable.
     
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  15. P.A.M.

    P.A.M. Vapo Rising

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    Here it is , my three LB amigos fam jam session. Stock tubes .

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  16. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    I seem to have found the Goldilocks zone for screen placement regardless of the length of the tube; 5/8".

    After tamping, a typical 'dose' is about 3/32" thick, maybe more maybe less. I've put in loads as thick as 3/16" for longer sessions. But for the most part my flower is a little less than 1/2" away from the end of the tube for all sessions.

    And it truly doesn't matter which tube I use. Short original tube or the longest glass-lined tube both work perfectly. As you would imagine the sessions are different.

    The short all wood tubes provide a warm, rich, thick vapor with a faint but pleasant roasted flavor. It is much hotter, and would wear my throat out if I used the short tube all day.

    The glass-lined tubes provide a cooler, grassier flavor, and the vapor is still thick and potent. And the longer unlined roasting tubes provide cooler but toastier flavored vapor.

    I can, and have, used the glass-lined tubes all day over a long day of vaping with no throat or lung irritation.

    For me the last hurdle was finding the correct depth to place the OG screens. And 5/8" is it for my LB.
     
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  17. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    @P.A.M. - Sorry to hear about stepping on your tube. Glad to see it passed the step test. Nice to hear you are enjoying the shaped screens that I make. They do keep their shape better than the domed screens. Especially when removing from a wooden tube. The straight sides help keep it from flipping if you push too hard on one side while stirring. There is no rim to steal heat away from the roast. They start out as 3/4” round screens. I force them through a metal tube using a metal mandrel to get the basket shape. They are only $0.50 each which is a very reasonable price.



    @Bravesst - Glad to hear you are enjoying the 12mm glass mouthpiece tubes for the wooden roasting tubes. I do have some that I can send you so you will have some available for the wooden roasting tubes. Sure makes it nicer for cleaning the wooden tubes. Most of the reclaim oil condenses on the glass which can easily be harvested. The Lil’ Buds are looking good as usual. Keep making lots of people happy.
     
  18. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Awesome work my legal friend...

    It truly is an amazing experience, tweaking, improving. Tomorrow I'm back working on that batch of pretty blends. I also plan on starting some cherry, but need to purchase some walnut. That'll be the holiday stock, select Blends, Cherry, Walnut.

    Any FC members who'd like to try out the cooling tube, please let me know, I'll be building a few to send out to current LB owners who are interested.

    @Alan missed your post by seconds. Thanks for the kind words and great ideas. The glass inserts are just one of many that we all benefit from.
     
  19. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Good morning FC,
    Sill dealing with computer keyboard issues. I've gone through every test, and fix, they all seam to work, then the issue returns (intermittent). Others have had the same thing, the fixes are pretty basic, from restore default settings in BIOS, to uninstalling keyboard drivers. I've done them all, but the Y, T, tab, and left control are intermittently not working. Obviously working now.

    I'll be shipping a few orders out today, as well as working on some inventory and cooling tubes ideas. Once I get the inserts, I can start manufacturing and selling.

    ***Keboard acing up again. ime o fix, or ge a new compuer.***

    a minute later
    ***yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyytttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt***
     
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  20. Bravesst

    Bravesst Full Steam Ahead Manufacturer

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    Today was a productive day for the Classic. I'm working on a mega batch of Cherry and Blends (eventually Walnut) about 40 to 50 units in total. While sales are quiet, I going to continue building. Unlike the Elite, the Classic is mostly all labor, with very little cost in material, so I can build away while I have the time. By the end of the month I should have a nice inventory in stock and ready to ship. This will help fund all future Vapwood projects.

    Cherry Unit with matching mouthpiece: $189
    Walnut Unit with matching mouthpiece: $209
    Blend Unit with matching mouthpiece: $219
     
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  21. mr899

    mr899 New Member

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    I recently traded for a Lil Bud. It appears perfect, but I am having trouble generating any vapor. I have tried with several charged batteries and went through most of the forum (84 pages is a lot). I can feel some heat but the material does not appear to be cooked. Same material is fine on other vapes. I use dome screen in wooden stem.

    Do you have any suggestions?

    Thanks a lot in advance,
     
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  22. TeeJay1952

    TeeJay1952 Well-Known Member

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    Preheat is neat.
    Less is more.
    Vary your pull and press depending in meds.
    Suck slow until you feel heat and then increase. If you waste your pull on air you have no room for good stuff.
    Try another strain.
     
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  23. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    @mr899 can you give us more details in how you're approaching your session? Are you pre-heating, if so for how long? You're using the domed screen, but how deep is it seated? Did you tamp the flower into the screen? And is your flower well cured/dried and evenly ground?

    If you're doing all those things 'correctly' it sounds like you may have a bad switch-it's something that Mike has fixed by going to a different button from a different supplier, but there were switch issues in Batches 1-6 as I recall.

    It took me a while to find my sweet spot with the LB, but man, once I did, it's the vape I reach for 90% of the time.
     
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  24. DirtyD

    DirtyD Well-Known Member

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    Puff quick and gently at first, like a cigar but real real easy:tup:
     
  25. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    @mr899 I hit the button two seconds before I start to draw. Then I draw slowly to sort of monitor temp until it feels like it's warming up. Then as warm builds to hot I up my draw speed slowly.

    At this point I do different things and I'm not super settled on what my options are. Sometimes I get an amazing hit just trying to cool the heater by tactically drawing harder before hot turns to too hot. Other times I keep the draw moderate until it's almost too hot then let go of the button and draw a bit longer to get what's left and cool the coil. I never feel like I'm drawing super hard. I do feel like it performs better once the screen gets used some. I think it slows the airflow down in a way that's conducive to controlled even heating maybe.

    It's worth noting that I use a 4" glass-lined stem almost exclusively and I find it easier to get consistent big clouds than with my short wooden stem. I'll try the short stem again presently and see if I've learned anything.

    If you're not getting vapor with a fresh battery you might try keeping the screen a bit closer to the heater end of the stem. Getting the right amount of weed in the loaded stem helps too.
     
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