So this is my first post to FC and I'm looking forward to talking with a bunch of people who love the ins and outs of smoking technology like I do. That being said I recently bought myself a digital volcano around Christmas time as I was trying to get out of smoking cigarettes and dutchmasters. Now don't get me wrong, I love bags, I love the party aspect of them, the lightness of the vapor, and the ability to fill a few bags and sip on them while I'm playing xbox. Soon after my volcano I picked up a Stone Glass works waffle v1, absolutely beautiful little 13" piece of glass and the smooth to boot, not to mention it stacks bubbles like crazy with my nice 5-6" showerhead AC. I first came to the world of vapor with the MFLB, but was very disappointed to find that I could only get a very dull buzz, and I'm the type of person who likes that stupid hard hitting high. I felt like the reviews on it I was reading were from old smokers or people with very low tolerances. Now for the vaporizers, I've done a lot of research on the cloud, and hear great things about it, but is the $450 price tag worth it when I can get a custom colored 2013 life saber for $230. Both machines have the ability to be used with a waterpipe or dry with a mouthpiece. The life saber offers the freezable glycerin vapor tamers which look interesting but I dont know how necessary they will be as my bong has two percs and ice notches. What is the difference between the two as far as thickness of hits go? I want something that is going to give me thick vapor, not combusting a little isnt the biggest deal to me, Im not using it a vape because I have any medical problems. Which is more efficient in extraction? Can the Life saber sit in the slide without being held? maybe with a fitting to hold the bong down or mounted to? or even a DIY holder for it with just some vice grips attatched to a metal stand. My slide is 90 degrees. the cloud seems much to large to do so. The cloud seems to have a big attracted towards it but is it worth me investing double the money? I do not mind doing so as I kinda wanted to get the best anyway just so im not tempted to get another. Cloud Perks: Perpetual heating system easy load bowls comes stock fitted for 19mm slides can stack hydratubes (but I feel I have no need for one) Lifesaber perks: More customizable (whips,tamers,custom mouthpieces,custom heat dials, colors) Newest design( wont likely change soon, cloud is probably coming up for some kind of V2 or redesign. Portable covered in a metal casing I think all glass but I am not sure. very long cord (10ft) Any other reccommendations are welcome, but keep in mind this is mostly for vapor utilization with a bong. Thanks guys I look forward to talking to you all.