Is vaping becoming unnecessarily complicated?

[smokeberry]

I've been vaping for almost 4 years now. In that short time I have stayed current and up to date with pretty much all of the technologies and advances the scene has had to offer and, as I'm sure many of you will attest, these are pretty interesting times.

Lately however, (and I am not pointing fingers) I cannot help but feel that the scene is starting to crawl up its own arse a little. We are starting to see very complicated glass set ups and ever increasingly more techy ways to vape and yet what all we are trying to do is remove to surface oils from a plant.

The log style of vaporiser and MFLB (I have as much love for mine as I do my favourite guitar) are a good example of the point I am trying to make. They are a couple of the lower tech contraptions and yet are more efficient and tastier than many of the newer and more complicated machines.

Also, complicated glass can only be a hindrance. The more paths and water you place between the vape and your lungs increases the amount of chemicals that are lost and also severely diminishes the taste (very important to me). I would add though that I do believe that an amount of filtration is required to remove solid plant matter.

I think that we have to realise that vaping has already taken smoke out of the equation and so filtration is no longer as important as it once was.

I'm not trying to offend or flame I just feel that vaporising is becoming much more complex than it ever had to be.

Any thoughts?

 

[Elluzion]

I somewhat agree with this. But in any market their will be the regular vapes and the extreme crazy vapes. Unfortunately our world is built around "consumerism", and as time goes on it just seems to get worse. Billboards, TV ads, everywhere, tells us to consume more, buy buy buy! Well, there are some improvements with the upper class vapes. You can add a bag, etc. etc. I'm vaked, i forgot where I was going, but anywho. Yeah its going to happen anywhere and everywhere, its natural. I don't necesarily like it because I think life should be simple, but if you are smart, you will already see the simple choice and you have clearly chosen that path with your current vape setup. <3

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Hmmm ... i think our world is also built around "brands".

After extensive research, i think the most important factor of a good vaporizer (other than an all glass air path) is stable temperature control. This is where the vape designs differentiate themselves.

And, technology can provide an assist by removing the need to "learn" how to get best use -- e.g. most vapor -- out of a bit of bud.

 

[OO]

i think the reason why people like to filter the vapor through water is to condense out the higher boiling actives, giving a different effect.

 

[Beezleb]

Some people like vanilla, some people like chocolate.

 

[2clicker]

the log vapes arent more efficient they just work slower

unnecessarily complicated...? nope

 

[aesthyrian]

It's only complicated if you can't understand it or is more than you are looking for. Too each their own, I think all the innovation and competition is great, and a great sign that vaping is finally getting mainstream. And I'm not someone who wants to "keep" vaping all to myself, I wish everyone knew of the wonders of vaping.

At the end of the day everything involving Marijuana is more complicated than it should be or has to be.

 

[Nycdeisel]

It's only complicated if you can't understand it or is more than you are looking for. Too each their own, I think all the innovation and competition is great, and a great sign that vaping is finally getting mainstream. And I'm not someone who wants to "keep" vaping all to myself, I wish everyone knew of the wonders of vaping.

At the end of the day everything involving Marijuana is more complicated than it should be or has to be.

I agree with this completely.

and of course, there will always be different types of setups, ranging from simple to complicated, etc etc...

 

[notmyrealUSERname]

Choice is the complication. It's confusing trying to figure out which niche vape is best suited for each individual. As a beginner I have spent at least 40hours researching Vapes online and I still haven't found exactly what I want.

OO
Today 03:41:39 pm
i think the reason why people like to filter the vapor through water is to condense out the higher boiling actives, giving a different effect.

I am more worried about tiny particles in my lungs than losing certain active properties.

 

[charliedontsurf]

I find this thread kind of interesting.

Think about cars. We could all of be using donkey carts but we thought to improve the concept. The combustion engine seems good but fuel injection improved it. Two wheel drived worked pretty good, especially RWD, but we decided to experiment with 4wd and saw improvements.

Now with vaping. The ancient Scythians, who whooped some Roman ass mind you, used to heat flat stones over a flame, then take them into a sealed tent and throw cannabis flowers onto it, acting as a crude vaporizer as they all inhaled the heady scent and wiped the Italians' blood off their arrows. We could all be content to do the same but have since arrived at more simple, portable and efficient solutions to vaporizing, and are better off for it. But, uh, gotta try the tent and stones thing someday for myself, I might be wrong! And after the nuclear apocalypse, it might be all the vape we have left

 

[B.]

i love it personally. seems to me like we're getting more sophisticated, but not overly complicated.

and i love glass, which has gotten sooo complicated, but in a great way. i agree that bongs have a much bigger impact on the smoothness of smoke vs vapor, but they're just so fucking cool. i don't need a peyote pillar to get smooth vapor hits, but i sure fuckin want one.


as far as the nuclear holocaust goes, i bet magic flight has a contigency plan. maybe a hand crank powered launch box.


EDIT : Post 420!!! i wish i woulda said something more profound.

 

[aesthyrian]

I would buy a hand crank MFLB, apocalypse or not

 

[Nycdeisel]

haha sounds like a cool idea.

 

[Zot]

I would buy a hand crank MFLB, apocalypse or not

Hey Magic-Flight, you hearing this? I think a hand crank option should be the focus of the next accessory project. I live in dread of protracted black-outs!

 

[Pappy]

Vaping gives people a false sense of security IMHO. I know of no vape that filters out all herbal particulates or the solidified petrified vapor (some call tar). Add hubris into the false sense of security and I see people vaping with filthy glass parts, screens, and whips. OTOH anyone who's vaped with a bong is familiar with vapor scum -- tar and particulates that would normally wind up in your lungs that ends up on the bong wall.

That's the reason people use bongs. It really isn't unnecessarily complicate if you value your health.

 

[Nycdeisel]

Vaping gives people a false sense of security IMHO. I know of no vape that filters out all herbal particulates or the solidified petrified vapor (some call tar). Add hubris into the false sense of security and I see people vaping with filthy glass parts, screens, and whips. OTOH anyone who's vaped with a bong is familiar with vapor scum -- tar and particulates that would normally wind up in your lungs that ends up on the bong wall.

That's the reason people use bongs. It really isn't unnecessarily complicate if you value your health.

Well said, Pappy.

 

[smokeberry]

In regards to the opening post, I should have added that I don't necessarily think that either log vapes or the MFLB are the best choice of vaporizers available. I use them only as an example.

Of course all of this boils down to choice and that really isn't a bad thing but there will be a point at which a vaporiser will be built that extracts the maximum amount of active chemicals and delivers it as cleanly as possible.

Are we at that point yet? Are we past it? Are the vaporisers that are arriving now improving or are they
only really changing the way that heat is introduced to the herb?

Also, I agree that water filtration is necessary but there is surely a point at which this type of filter becomes detrimental and starts stripping taste and important chemicals. We are no longer chugging smoke. Some of glass pieces I have spied, although very impressive, seem a little over the top to be used in conjunction with vaporisation.

For what it's worth, I have a 100ml Ehle bong that I combine with a stem diffuser for use with the SSV. I don't really enjoy using the SSV without any water. I tell myself that the fine mesh screen in the LB reduces the need for a filter (although I'm not sure that I actually quite believe it).

 

[OO]

Choice is the complication. It's confusing trying to figure out which niche vape is best suited for each individual. As a beginner I have spent at least 40hours researching Vapes online and I still haven't found exactly what I want.

OO
Today 03:41:39 pm
i think the reason why people like to filter the vapor through water is to condense out the higher boiling actives, giving a different effect.

I am more worried about tiny particles in my lungs than losing certain active properties.

using a bong will do little in the way of this.

 

[notmyrealUSERname]

Isn't wand hash a collection of thousands of tiny herb particles that made it through the screen, which then collects resin from the passing vapor? If so, then why wouldn't the water in your bong catch the few particles that make it all the way through the whip? The water and the glass of the bong give that much more area for the particles to get stuck to something before they reach your lungs.

 

[pakalolo]

Well something makes bong water dirty.

Vapour condenses. Condensation happens upon cooling. Seems to me that more surface area provides more opportunity for condensation, and passing it through water results in even more condensation. Me, I want that vapour, so I like a short vapour path and no cooling. YMMV.

I smoked the stuff for nearly 40 years, so I'm not about to start worrying about a few particles in my vapour now.

 

[finchrock24]

The way my vapor bong setup is currently, my bong stays very clean. I just use my EQ, pack an elbow in the whip, then take the mini whip and hook it up to the mouth piece of the long whip. Just ends up being a long tube with the glass elbows on both ends. Since the herb is in the elbow (about 3 feet away) the vapor must travel through all the tubing then through the water tool, then through the water to get to me. I have had the same water in my bong for a week and it is not dirty at all, but the water has gotten 'cloudy'. No particulates visible to the eye, and that is good enough for me. I know that some of you may be after a more clean filtration but I must say if you are, you shouldn't vape or smoke because it isn't healthy in general to vape or smoke in the first place.

Think about what you breathe in and out on a day to day basis. Probably not too much worse then a few microscopic particulates of marijuana.

 

[audiodelic]

is it becoming unnecessarily complicated ... i think complicated enough but necessary which in turn leads to better products over the long run.

I see it as two schools of thought one is make a simple effective no frills design like the dbv and mflb. which is a good entry point towards vaporizing.gets the basic right, maybe also gives us a good peek into water filtration but that can be bettered by dedicated vapes like vhw,herbo,verdamper,vxc. I think this design is best where someone wants portability or a no non sense durable desktop vape.

But there is a community like fc us freaks who are much accustomed to vaporizing who appreciate the frills, that certain percentage of better quality vapor that can be achieved via a thermostat controlled heater to maintain perfect vaporizing. When i want to be sure that i extract only certain chemicals at specific temperatures. Bong filtration and glass porn is another step towards getting to the optimum healthiest/clean/hygienic vapor as possible. Many of us on this forum wouldn't mind all the headache the breakable glass adds when we can get the best quality vapor experience.

So both will exist maybe the no frills as the mass market thing and the frills design as the niche market.

 

[max]

the log vapes arent more efficient they just work slower

That's kind of a misleading statement. They don't vaporize slower. They have small bowls and a narrower vapor path than a typical direct draw vape. The design greatly encourages less consumption, and in that respect they're efficient.

I just feel that vaporising is becoming much more complex than it ever had to be.

It's only complex if you choose to make it so. As with any type of product, as interest grows, so do the options. It can make choosing a vape more difficult, but it's a good thing for the vaporizer industry and consumers as well.

 

[Pappy]

Vaping since April, already on third vape. Sold one, purchasing another.
Bonging since September. Bought six piece of glass and sold two.

Gave up pot in October but with all the vapes and glass I hardly noticed!

 

[2clicker]

the log vapes arent more efficient they just work slower

That's kind of a misleading statement. They don't vaporize slower. They have small bowls and a narrower vapor path than a typical direct draw vape. The design greatly encourages less consumption, and in that respect they're efficient.

ive tried PD and MZ and its like sucking on a milkshake

the smaller bowls and a narrower vapor path do IMO attribute to slower vaporization

id say your getting less actives in each hit with a log vape. and in that sense its vaping slower no...?

the log vape certainly isnt tapping into actives that the other vapes arent or cant. so if a .05g gives you more hits in vape A than it does vape B then that leads me to believe that vape A is vaping less actives each hit... in other words slower.