Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by shredhead, May 11, 2013.
I'd trade them all to be better informed about the concentrates we comsume.
IDK about the rules around processing, but there is BHO for sale in Cali in the dispensaries.
Specifically I'm looking at GDPurp, BHO glass. I should try this yes?
Once again, people will do as they please. Laws never stopped everyone, especially when profit is involved.
But really, all this law does is ensure that there will be plenty of gross, unhealthy, underpurged BHO, since the state is not regulating it.
Unless things have been changed recently, the wording goes something like:
Section 11379.6(a) states: "Except as otherwise provided by law, every person who compounds, converts, produces, derives, processes, or prepares, either directly or indirectly by chemical extraction or independently by means of chemical synthesis, any controlled substance - shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years and by a fine up to $50,000"
I recently started getting into vaping wax/budder/shatter/dust out of a pen after using a dome/TiSkillet with my bong for a few months. I feel like i can get by medicating with all flowers or with a mix of flowers and concentrates. When i was using skillet only and doing straight concentrates at the amount i usually medicate (several times a day) was too much. I was super high but i was slow and i felt like i would lose big chunks of my day or that my memory was shot.
Now vaping with my pen i get that awesome functional buzz high that hits right away and tastes oh so good during the day and then at night i will use the skillet or flowers. I seem to have found my balance. Since i use the OPHOS i can load a cart with $20-$30 worth of crumble and it will last me quite a while and the hits medicate me but dont fuck me like back to back skillet dabs do (which is totally fine for a day off ).
Having found my balance i am not done with concentrates by any means but am looking to expand my experience with them and learn more to find the perfect way to medicate. This might mean taking a long break from the skillet and sticking to my pen while i fall back in love with flowers and start the cycle all over.
I find the lack of regulation and knowledge around this stuff on a dispensary level is complete horseshit and very discouraging sometimes as well. Some I go to are great, have good prices and I usually base my picks on staff recommendations (not on what they "hear" is good but what they just tried before they came into work that is making their eyes glaze like donuts) the color (lighter is better) and the texture (drier is better). That said I also sometimes get the super douchey fan boy dabber who tries to help me at the counter and tell me about my last years vape model (its gotta be last year since hes never seen it even though its a sparkly 2013 model) and how hes not into "dabbing" anymore but has moved on to the enlightened technique of "dunking" (facepalm). Thankfully i find it pretty easy to avoid shitty concentrate if I stay away from dark oily stuff (with oils its harder to do since they all look dark) and avoid these budtender mockeries.
Sorry to get off topic. IMO I would quit concentrates if i had to make them myself. Since I dont have to, I enjoy the variety and how long little amounts last in the OPHOS. Maybe its also the device you use that escalates this feeling of being over it? the vape pen is really what saved concentrates for me.
It is definitely illegal in Cali for the typical guy/gal.
edit: here is a good article with some background on the law:
But selling BHO at a dispensary, not a problem it seems. The dispensary isn't claiming to be the source of the bHO from what I can tell? /shrug Regardless, the feds could come in at any time and shut down any dispensary in any state whenever they want to.
But back on topic, concentrates, done or not done? I'm just getting started on them.
BHO only became available to me about 6 months ago. When first available to me, I was combusting herb in a water pipe and adding a little BHO to the top of the herb I was smoking.I have never tried a nail to date.
About three months ago, I switched to a portable vaporizer, a Pax, for everyday/everytime use. I always toss some BHO in the oven, with some herb, in every load I vape.
Unfortunately, due to years of heavy, daily herb usage, concentrates are needed for me to feel much of a buzz anymore. Even the best herbs available in the area will only take me to a point that is usually short of the euphoria I like to achieve.
The bad part is that I am now starting to gain a tolerance for the concentrates. It is only a matter of time until these wont do it for me anymore and I guess a lengthy break may be required for me to enjoy herb/concentrates again.
I totally prefer the high and experience of dabbing, it is perfect to me lol. I always find myself saying "this is what I need out my weed!" or "this is what I smoke for" or some outrageous shiz with great concentrates. Although I can't get ahold of/afford it as much!
Would probably dab it in place of flower most the time if I could.
Vaping would be the next on the list of my favorites that I use everyday and is obviously a lot more useful medically etc, then combustion (with top shelf flowers it's a lot more appealing).
The more filtration with smoking flowers the better IMO, unless it's perfect weed.
I try to only use hemp wick, etc. Makes it seem more clean. Plus less burnt (lower temps). I still smoke and choke haha.
Then again I've damn near only vaped for the past week.
Still choke though
OK... not nearly enough time or energy to hit all the points id like to here so here goes my half reared attempt. The first thing is something that no one has mentioned yet, as far as Ive seen at least, BHO, while being used with butane, as long as its properly purged, which Isn't horribly difficult, is the absolute cleanest way to smoke marijuana, carcinogen and tar free, it is the cleanest form of smoking you can achieve. Some people complain of burn. Remember when you first started smoking, it burned? its simply the temperature of the device your using to smoke with. A titanium plate is much much hotter then your average bic lighter. Other people were questioning the legality of making concentrates at home, and whats the "big deal". Butane is a strong solvent, very strong, so strong it affects the ozone, at least says the EPA or FCC or whatever. According to them so I've heard releasing butane into the environment makes you an eco-terrorist, and subject to heavy fines. If your noticing a "non full" high, you should try changing up strains from your regular ones, and always keep in mind that you constantly are playing with tolerance levels when your using BHO, and the less you need to use the better off you will be in the long run, people when beginning to smoke flower tend to "show off how much they can smoke" which isn't necessary with BHO, your only building your tolerance higher, not showing off how big a dab you can do.
I don't think that is true. I think Vaping (which is why we are all here) is the best way to use MJ. I need my CBDs, not much of a THC feind. If I have to much it gives me a headache, where as Vaping flower never fails and I always feel good. That's how I judge it and that's why I quit smoking, because it doesn't work for me every time.
I look at it like this. If I do a run out of an ounce and get 5 grams of oil, I then have 23 grams of run through flower ( I have deemed "bunk") and 5 grams of material I can consume to achieve my desired level of self medication over the same amount of time it would take me to consume the whole ounce. So therefore I have removed 23 grams of what i would consider carcinogenic material, which obviously it isnt ALL bad material remaining, but in perspective of my lungs overall health, I would say that I'm taking better care them taking the BHO route. Just like everyone here says, just my 2¢ lol.
There is no evidence that I am aware of that your 23 grams of "bunk" contains anything carcinogenic. As far as I know, there has never been a study that has linked smoking cannabis to cancer, let alone vapourizing it. The carcinogens are combustion by-products and are not inherent in cannabis itself.
Carcinogen might not have been the best choice of words, but I would think one can argue about the remaining fertilizers and salts left not fully flushed from the plant, plus no one ever fully cures their herb anymore it seems.
Unless I know who grows my plants, which I never do, then I just have to accept that their is some level of unhealthiness to consuming said plant. I still do it anyway, and hope that vaping can limit the heating and inhalation of the nasties that I mentioned.
I think DabComa was trying to make the point that a extraction done properly, should only pull the active compounds from the plant and leave the garbage behind. This supports his claim of BHO being a cleaner "smoke" than vaping or smokign herbs. I would have to agree with him to an extent.
I'm just saying that BHO doesn't extract everything you need. If you want to get "high" then vape BHO all the time. I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place, because it does. I use oil when my back is in serious pain and I need something quick, but it doesn't work for an all day application. That's why Vaping herbs is number one in my book, I can actually get medicated instead of "high" from BHO or any oil. Nothing can beat the natural herb for me and again like I said, I need my CBDs and CBNs and so forth. That's what counts if I'm gunna help my body with this plant. THC is just an extra bonus
This why I always tell people that their NOSE is the best bet in sniffing out quality dispensary concentrates. I can easily say that more than 50% of the bubble hash, oils, and waxes I have smelled at a dispensary had almost nothing coming off. Either it has been sitting out forever, or like you said, they took old buds that didn't sell and transformed them into an "affordable concentrate".
I'm not sure how much more THC Butane or other solevents like C02, extract than CBD's but I have come across CBD rich oil, which I think would be an amazing way to get concentrated CBD relief. If you use a high CBD strain, then I would only assume that the extract would be CBD rich, no?
I'm all about variety, short of smoking. It's great that you have found what works most effective for you, and even better that it's way more affordable than concentrates!
Ya it's very hard to make a CBD concentrate, even if the product is rich in it. Alcohol, butane or any other extraction are all mostly taking just the THC from the plant. Even bubble hash and dry ice kief or anything like that. Concentrates are considered mostly THC all around. The only high CBD concentrate that works well for me and is easy to get, is vape residue oil. I just make sure to use small micron screens and I get smooth oil that can melt on the nail. Not the best taste but very medicating. It's just very hard to produce a hard hitting CBD concentrate without the THC that come with it.
Its inarguable that smoking anything is bad for your lungs. When you burn whole plant matter you are consuming a living organism, and hence all the chemicals that make that an organism up to and including things like its waste, that is stored within the plant while in transit for removal, just as one example.
I'm curious about what this could mean. Plant poop? Please educate us.
I don't think there is anything 'safer' about vaping bho vs vaping herbs, but bho could be more dangerous depending on how it's made.
it's wrong to assume that you are taking just the good stuff of herbs contaminated with anything unhealthy in it...you could very easily be taking that bad stuff too and concentrating it too.
it all depends on the solubility of the bad stuff in question in the solvent being used.
inhaling anything burning organic or inorganic is bad for your lungs
Please refer to the first sentence of post #59. The information is available. Educate on your own time about the biological makeup of the plant your smoking, obviously a plant doesnt shit, but any living organism that metabolizes any chemical to maintain its survival produces a waste, be it in w.e form. I never said BHO was the end all 100% healthy route, its just my personal opinion that its better then traditional flower combustion. And yes flower vaporization is also a good route, and most likely a much better shot at a wider spectrum of THC and CBD combinations, not to mention solvent free.
Now, I'm not advocating against BHO in any way. What I'm saying is your statement about "harmful plant waste" has as much validity as your claims about carcinogens contained in cannabis. I think you are wrong on both points.
If you think that taking a lighter and lighting anything and consuming the burned remnants into your lungs is good for the positive function and flourishing of your lungs, then your living in a dream world.
That isn't what he said. He was questioning your notion that there are carcinogens in cannabis. So did I, because there's simply no proof of that. It is possible that some of the fertilizers and pesticides that might have been used in growing are carcinogenic, but there is absolutely no evidence that cannabis itself is a cause of cancer even when smoked. That's also regardless of what was used in growing and producing the plant. If you have research to show otherwise, please cite it because I have not been able to find such a thing.
No smoke in this community, that's where the confusion is coming from. Most of us here are non smokers already enjoying our herb safely. And even if there are pesticides and such in your bud, it's gunna come out in your oil as well. It doesn't magically go away.
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