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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    @pxl_jockey, and what's about your testing of the Herbo Ti (a) the whole year? ;)
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    +1. Except my popcorn went stale and needed to be thrown out! :ko:
     
  3. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Well-Known Member

    Now you know that there’s been considerable downtime in that period of testing but yes, I have some thoughts on the subject of HerboTi but it’s not much different to any opinions expressed here already. And by vaporists with more experience and discernment than myself. It’s not going to be any insightful, thought provoking stuff. It’s not to be trifled with, you gotta respect it.
     
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  4. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Totally bro. I have been very curious how YOU got on with it that is all. Not about "Ti is this...Ti is that..."
    I didn't want to put you on spot but have been hoping for some beans at some point. If you ever feel like sharing anything about how it worked for you personally (or didn't), Im sure it would be of intetest to us all. No pressure, obligation, expectation.

    No fancy pro reveiwers needed here, just good old honest humble vapor-beings like you and I! :)

    Hope you are doing okay otherwise man, and seriously the best of luck with your upcoming surgery. I have followed your intermittent and variable snippets and life insights all year and I'm very excited for you to finally soon be the owner of a Flowerpot system. I know you will love it and I can't wait to hear all about it, and I'm stocking up this time and I don't want to throw anything away!:popcorn:
     
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  5. vapmanjoe

    vapmanjoe Well-Known Member

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    While beeing happy with my Herbo, i respect your feelings and your view @pxl_jockey :tup: i have no experience with other desktop devices in this league. it just works fine for me. so honestly, i can't really adopt a neutral position up to now. And it seems that you have a better sense for aestetics and quality ;)
     
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  6. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    I received the thing (shipped to the billing address instead of the shipping address I provided).
    Very poor instructions with Cartesian maps and wiring diagrams but no step to step other than to change a password, and no focus on a user who might not already own enails or PID like that.
    No indication of how to prime the heating element (Bud referred to that on his herbo live).
    Wasn't a carry case / bag included in the packs? Pretty sure it was.
    The power wire is loose and gets disconnected easily.
    It's possible to see the electric wires from the head of the heater (white, red and yellow), is it the norm? The heating element has also pretty sharp edges. Almost to the point to getting cut if not careful with it.
    I left it idle after having checked it was on Celsius and it reached 350 degrees without any input by my side. I realized it when I smelled the wood of my desk starting to get toasted. Now I shut it down because I don't know how to operate it.:hmm:
    3 digiti bricked in a row?:haw:
     
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  7. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean it isn't working now? Seb obviously set it to 350 C for you, same as mine. So no problem with that? It would automatically go to there in under 3 mins as soon as you power it on.

    My heater sharpness never bothered me I dont think. Yes instructions are light, but there isnt much to it tbh. Just set your temp, load bowl, drop heater on etc.
    I would just give it a burnoff at maybe 400 for a while, then just have a go and see.
    I await for further information.

    By bag/carry case, I assume you mean the small little black holder thing with a zip that the bits and pieces come in?
    Or the actual Velvet Herborizer bag? That is certainly not included with the kit.
    Sorry I can't help you more right now but I'm not really clear on everything you have said.
     
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  8. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    Facemelting complete. :rockon:
    I'm using it at 405 C. I tried the micro bowl but I prefer the standard set.
    I'm using it with no water as per Vape Critic's advice, I feel civilized.
    The power connection is a bit loose but there's no reason to move the controller so I will wait and see if it's a problem.
    By bag I meant one of the grey bags with the logo, my fault.
     
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  9. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Looking at buds review.. I think that the PID stuff isnt set right on this controller or isnt fine tuned to the heater.
    I has very slow ramp up and can't keep with draw.. You only get it set at a certain temp and then it drops from there like all the analog vaporizers. I know there is a huge benefit of this temp being precise ,but i though it was all about having the software balance to the draw power like in the TUBO software ? Imo also there isnt enough mass of the heater or at least not enough surface contact with ait so transfers heat to air as well as the GS for example,so that has to be compensated with extra power.. which has to ramp up quick ,having in mind the rate the temp drops when you take a hit. I feel like it needs also a lot of time to recover after a hit.
    This way the user is robbed of the ability to do dense low temp hits IMO.. Cause PID doesnt maintain air at a certain temp,so he would still have to overshoot a bit .. i hope i am making sense with these words x).
    Another things that comes to mind is that there is a silicone ring in the airpath over the heater,i dont know how much it effects the purity of the airpath but it aint all glass/metal.
     
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  10. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Im not disputing your logic at least theoretically. Im not in prime mental state atm for much beyond very basic thinking. But I should just share my own experience briefly.

    Every hit I would experience a temperature drop of exactly 15 degrees C pretty much which would be quite fast from when I begin inhaling. So from 350 C to 335 C, by the time I have finished inhaling the temperature has begun to climb again and before I have fully exhaled it is back steady and stable at 350.
    Every single time, every same size hit, in the exact same time frame which is always quite short but I should time it and will when I have the opportunity.

    As far as performance and vapor production goes the temperature drop does not appear to be a problem at all. Performance is excellent and power is not lacking but again I'm not disputing what you are saying compared to some other designs and the potential for more heat mass etc.

    So it drops quickly as soon as I begin inhaling. Vapor is dense and immediate, remaines costant. At soon as it bottoms at -15/16C max, it springs back up and is at 350 solid before I am ready for next hit.

    Im well lean right now so can't think how better to contribute. Hope that adds something useful though.
     
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  11. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    There are some password-secured settings that can be finetuned by the user, hope get use of it sooner or later, in order to get monster hits or different purpose of use.
    The 2 rings provide vacuum sealing to the ground glass where the heating element is inserted.
    When I complained the heating element may be blunt I still didn't put the glass cover on (problem solved).
    The part which actually gets hot is a cm. under those rings, but also the head of the heater gets pretty hot, so you may have a point.
    There are 2 air intake holes in the glass surrounding the heater which should not be too affected by the rings. When hitting the vape airflow goes down, not up and hopefully the rings don't get hot enough.
    If they would I think we users could notice the rings getting bad or melting pretty soon.
    A matter of potential concern I noticed (but I'm no expert).
    The electrical wires on top of the head of the heater (not far from the rings) are coated but could be more protected and not exposed to the view. What if just a drop of water drops on top of the wires?
    I'm fine since I use it dry!:freak:
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    Soon to be available at vapeshops too?
    https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/herborizer-digiti-system
     
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  12. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    @Alexis Thx for your input i was just commenting on what i am seeing in the video. There are drops from like 50 degrees when VCbud hits it.. (check 38:55 of the video)
    @justcametomind My logic is that heat travels upwards so it sits over the hot heater. I have tried to OG Herborizer and i can clearly taste the cables's insulation at high temps,so i was just wondering if those rings bring anything off to the taste of the TI ?
    Is there anyway to do doube deckers with the TI ? Can it vape herb with the concentrate attachment ?
     
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  13. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Please continue to think freely and openly I respect you always and welcome your enquiry, critique and suggestions.
    Just piping in here to say- I think I also have smelled and tasted those wires on the XL heater but I don't believe I've ever picked up anything like this with the Ti.
    Personally I'm not one bit bothered by the Black o-rings I honestly don't think there is any real risk of toxicity or off gassing there.

    Yes I also observed the apparently large temperature drops in Bud's filming so far but bear in mind he's in Fahrenheit and all I can say is that my drops are as I describe above exactly 15 degrees Celsius and do not appear to affect performance negatively at all.

    I would imagine also that if you were to carry on inhaling for longer than is humanly possible lol the heater may be able to maintain the temperature once it has reclimbed that would be an interesting experiment.
    Just those few thoughts for the moment anyway.
     
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  14. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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  15. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    That member in question wasn't talking about using the actual Cyclone bowl with the Ti. Just the screens IN the Herbo bowl. I just looked on Arizers site but they don't show specs for the bowl.

    Im quite slow and dumb with these things. Maybe it could work with the Ti heater? :shrug:
    I know it can work with the Elev8r heater, and was strongly recommended by a member in that thread as well. So 18 mm it should be so I guess it could possibly work but you would need an extra adaptor or a male joint.
    Personally I would just stick to the stock bowls and you can try the screens in there but make sure you have the right screens because the cyclone bowl may be different to the screens you have linked. I'm checking for a link where I found it before but I'm quite stoned so hold in there and I will get back to you.

    I'm curious about this as well because the member never gave too much information on it. The screen security, tightness etc is my only real issue with the bowl, and it wasn't a noticeable problem recently when I was using it. I didnt seem to get as much debris falling through, also I think I used carb adapters with an EQ basket screen under the bowl.
    But if these Cyclone screens improve that and keep crumbs in the bowl...
     
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  16. Zak McKracken

    Zak McKracken Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys! I think @Seepa means to fit the arizer basket screen in the male end of the herbo bowl ,where it inserts the water piece.It does fit great and I might start using dry again with this setup.Dry is stronger.
     
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  17. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    As a screen for the load or as a secondary filter to restrict contaminants? If the last one is the case every 14/18mm basket screen will do the job.
     
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  18. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    No that is a seperate mod altogether. He may have advocated that, but he was actually using the larger, Arizer Cyclone bowl screens in the Ti stick bowl, in place of the stock Ti screens.
     
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  19. Zak McKracken

    Zak McKracken Well-Known Member

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    @Hogni of course anyone would do.

    @Alexis
     
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  20. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Good find! As I recalled, a double mod! However I have the EQ basket screens and they don't quite fit in the underside of my bowl and even if they do they stick out too much and prevents a seal with the water pipe.
    This will vary between bubblers I expect, but this EQ screen mod in the underside of the bowl doesn't work for me. It works a treat in the carb adapters, I have just been really lazy about giving them a thorough cleaning and stopped using them because they are affecting taste.
     
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  21. Zak McKracken

    Zak McKracken Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't fit in the microdose bowl (which would be a breeze cause I don't like it the way it is.I regret getting both the md bowl and concentrate bowl).Fits the original bowl though.
    I think the basket screen makes the cyclone bowl screen mod unnecessary.
     
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  22. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Life is TOO short for regrets my friend! :D Never mind on the not so useful concentrate bowl. The microbowl- there will be other ways to screen mod that. One member in particular did this and it became his daily driver setup over Flowerpot at the time, and regular Herbo bowls.

    I think @Hogni also uses a different screen in the MB and speaks strongly for the big improvement. I think it might be his preferred way to use the Ti nowadays but again Im so hazy on things. ;)

    But @Zak McKracken , there may still be an advantage to the Cyclone screens. If they are a more secure, tighter fit, I would much prefer that myself. And they may have a different (gause?) and let less resin through.

    So even with, or without an effective basket screen mod, the screens could add something. You would lose less herb especially when you stir the load, that's what I don't like about the stock screens because you do lose some down the sides of the gauze.

    It depends also on the pain and frequency of cleaning the Cyclone screen though, and price and durability.
    I only ever had 1 screen for my Verdamper, in 6 years. As good as new, and I only ever torched it for cleaning. Mmm! Those Gorgeous hash aromas.
    But I just have multiple screens at the ready. Change before airflow is impeded for ISO. So easy that way.
    I expect when I get my DigiTi running I will have clean adapters and basket screens.
     
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  23. vapmanjoe

    vapmanjoe Well-Known Member

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    I thought i could loosen up your lively scholarly discussion with some visual tidbid :brow:

    [​IMG]

    :whoa::ko::freak:
     
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  24. ubardog

    ubardog Well-Known Member

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    Love that stand/j-hook where you get it i just looked over herboizers site and cant find it
     
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  25. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    I may have found a solution for debris falling down the stem: using 2 stock screens instead of 1, one on top of the other.
    Airflow is not affected and piling up at the bottom of the piece seems over.
     
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