Gulf Sadness.

[bluntfaced]

I completely agree, your argument means absolutely nothing unless you have the facts to back it up.

 

[bcleez]

Wow when did working for a brokerage translate to having an expert opinion on engineering and geology?

You actually have proven yourself to NOT be knowledgeable about oil. I have read all of your posts and it actually seems like you really don't understand much about the environment or oil.

Oh BTW, I worked for one of the worlds largest insurance brokerages and handled policies for multinational corporations and am well versed on risk management for oil operations. So I would say that by your logic I might even possess more knowledge than you? And one of the people I worked with has a family business based in LA that designed the rigs and has a fleet of crew boats & supply ships, and works with B.P., Chevron, ConocoPhillips, W&T Offshore, Murphy Oil, Mariner Energy, Walter Oil and Gas, Apache, Newfield, Energy XXI , McMoran, El Paso, Anadarko, Devon, Petrobras.

 

[purplechango]

Wow when did working for a brokerage translate to having an expert opinion on engineering and geology?

You actually have proven yourself to NOT be knowledgeable about oil. I have read all of your posts and it actually seems like you really don't understand much about the environment or oil.

Oh BTW, I worked for one of the worlds largest insurance brokerages and handled policies for multinational corporations and am well versed on risk management for oil operations. So I would say that by your logic I might even possess more knowledge than you? And one of the people I worked with has a family business based in LA that designed the rigs and has a fleet of crew boats & supply ships, and works with B.P., Chevron, ConocoPhillips, W&T Offshore, Murphy Oil, Mariner Energy, Walter Oil and Gas, Apache, Newfield, Energy XXI , McMoran, El Paso, Anadarko, Devon, Petrobras.

so whats your point?

are we talking about bragging rights? who rubs ellbows with who? whos shlong is longer? or are we discussing views and opinions?

I mentioned i worked for said company only to state that I the fact that i dont mind doing some research.....an never did i imply that i was an expert in any field. I think ive given enough examples from history and historical data to show that points i hit are valid..

One thing i have learned in life is not to believe every single thing tossed in front of me as total complete truth, to dig for my own answers and to prove my points based one fact.

and as ive outline my points in one by one, by all means.... disprove them accordingly

 

[bcleez]

And with my great power of knowledge in this arena it is my responsibility to pass it on, so i am being about it......and talking about it.....

This statement is laughable.

Reading your posts it is obvious that it is typed by a pseudo intellectual. Did you go to college? You do not present facts or sources in a logical manner, let alone even start a compelling argument. You want everyone to bow to your "knowledge" but when I bring up my knowledge you get defensive.

Regardless since you brought up your "research" experience I would say we both come from similar working backgrounds. I always read research and reports that are up to the minute to help analyze risk, and I would expect a more cohesive analysis and presentation from someone in the field. Your posts just appear as a high person lumping some ideas/opinions in with extremely weak facts that really don't address much. Also you really come off as an asshole when most people on this board are not only quite educated, but focus much of that intellect on environment & quality of life issues. Go check some of the Vape threads and see how people analyze each component of a vape then ask yourself if they take this stuff seriously.

 

[lwien]

And with my great power of knowledge in this arena it is my responsibility to pass it on, so i am being about it......and talking about it.....

Wow, now THAT'S a bit self-absorbed. With my great power of knowledge?

Ok, purplechango, what I am about to say is not an attack but a suggestion, but I need to preface this by stating that I am in no way a spelling Nazi. With that out of the way, my suggestion to you is to take the time to spell, capitalize, punctuate and use correct grammar in your communications if you REALLY desire to project the image that you seem so desperately wanting to project.

People here are guilty of that all the time, including myself, but that's ok because we are not proclaiming that we possess this "great power of knowledge" that you seem to want everyone to believe that you have. If you truly have this "great power of knowledge", than the least you can do is to learn how to communicate that "great power of knowledge" correctly, because if you can't communicate it effectively enough to get people to believe you, what good is it?

There's a great line in an old movie that I heard awhile back and it is so true. "It's all in the presentation".

 

[purplechango]

You want everyone to bow to your "knowledge" but when I bring up my knowledge you get defensive.

I didnt ask anyone to do anything, Im voicing my opinion based on info ive dug up. And as for your knowledge, all you have told me so far is what you know about, not anything relevant to the my portion of this discussion.

And how do u assume my answer was a defensive. I just asked you to rebut my points with fact, which u havent done.

pseudo intellectual.

now we are name calling? how intellectual

your posts just appear as a high person lumping some ideas/opinions in with extremely weak facts that really don't address much.

if my facts are so weak, then prove it.

Also you really come off as an asshole when most people on this board are not only quite educated, but focus much of that intellect on environment & quality of life issues.

I guess that makes two us that look like assholes, your version seems to be package in a different manner as I.

and still with the assumptions...... in my post, tell me where i explicitly wrote against enhancing the quality of life or environment

so who isnt taking what serious? me? and how do you figure?

this is actually turing into a joke....... those who think different than the majority cant have a say? now whos is asking me to bow down, in a not asking way

 

[purplechango]

you know, i dont think different. Actually i am saddened to see the poor animals suffer, it does bother me that natural swamplands might will be damaged, that people died.

and I hope that there will be changes in policy, procedure, readiness, that would better our futures

but that dosnt keep me from thinking that, the problem IS being hyped up more than it really is

 

[bcleez]

Well then I am the only asshole that takes the time to read a whole thread before I make a statement. I have posted many times in that thread if you took the time to read the whole thread you would see where I stand.

I am not name calling, I am calling a spade a spade.

And the only joke is that you keep posting and really are not saying anything. That is one of my main points. I read all of your posts and I do not really see any logical points and certainly no representation of a detailed understanding of the oil industry, let alone that of a brokerage. How does knowledge of swaps, options, futures give any insight to your point? You have not demonstrated any insight, in fact I think you are less informed than many other posters in the thread.

 

[purplechango]

And with my great power of knowledge in this arena it is my responsibility to pass it on, so i am being about it......and talking about it.....

Wow, now THAT'S a bit self-absorbed. With my great power of knowledge?

bluntfaced made a reference to great power, i was just reiterating.

Ok, purplechango, what I am about to say is not an attack but a suggestion, but I need to preface this by stating that I am in no way a spelling Nazi. With that out of the way, my suggestion to you is to take the time to spell, capitalize, punctuate and use correct grammar in your communications if you REALLY desire to project the image that you seem so desperately wanting to project.

Thanx, I get lazy from time to time.

People here are guilty of that all the time, including myself, but that's ok because we are not proclaiming that we possess this "great power of knowledge" that you seem to want everyone to believe that you have. If you truly have this "great power of knowledge", than the least you can do is to learn how to communicate that "great power of knowledge" correctly, because if you can't communicate it effectively enough to get people to believe you, what good is it?

Again, I alluded to to the earlier comment by bluntfaced, Like I said before, I am no expert nor claim to be.

And as for effective communication? its been effective enough to get a response, right? And no, i take no offense or feel attacked, unless you just outright do so.

There's a great line in an old movie that I heard awhile back and it is so true. "It's all in the presentation".

Yes I agree

 

[purplechango]

Well then I am the only asshole that takes the time to read a whole thread before I make a statement. I have posted many times in that thread if you took the time to read the whole thread you would see where I stand.

I am not name calling, I am calling a spade a spade.

And the only joke is that you keep posting and really are not saying anything. That is one of my main points. I read all of your posts and I do not really see any logical points and certainly no representation of a detailed understanding of the oil industry, let alone that of a brokerage. How does knowledge of swaps, options, futures give any insight to your point? You have not demonstrated any insight, in fact I think you are less informed than many other posters in the thread.

you havent really read all my post....u just proved it.... but im not here to fight, just to give my opinion.

 

[bcleez]

Post or Posts?

I have read all of the posts in this thread posted by all members. You sir, have not.

You also have not provided any new insight. I am done with wasting space in this good thread.

Until next time...

 

[bluntfaced]

Just to be clear, by great power, I was not referring to your very limited knowledge of the damage of oil spills OR leaks. The extent of which seems to be your knowledge on the 1979 blow out which let 125,000 metric tons of oil sink to the bottom of the gulf causing damage we still probably don't know the extent of today. As well as causing immense damage to a whole coast line and huge amounts of reefs that I'm sure are still dead today. This wa about the only thing you said that had any facts to it. All that shit about less than 1% of the water or a shot glass in a bath tub is the biggest load of bullshit I've head about the oil spill and I've heard it from more people than just yourself.


By great power I meant the power human's possess to literally destroy the planet and the responsibility we have to keep it alive, not the power of your knowledge. It's pretty arrogant to think that.

 

[bluntfaced]

And like you said before my friend, your opinion doesn't really mean shit if you don't have facts to back it up. It's really doing more harm than good spreading your ignorance.

 

[purplechango]

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation




yeah its in my sig....and yeah im sure you read it........but yeas my friends..... make sure that your strongs statements are worth their salt as well, before you can shut mine down.



im sure we can all agree to disagree.................

 

[lwien]

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation

Man, if you're going to quote someone, at least have the decency to acknowledge who it is you are quoting from.

Here, I will do it for you.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation"
------Herbert Spencer

What I do find interesting though is that although you agree with what I said in my previous post, you come back with, "but yeas my friends..... make sure that your strongs statements...."

I fully realize that I am not addressing the issue at hand, but I just find it really odd for one that holds themselves up in such high regard, that you would blatantly continue to communicate like you do. You agree that it's all in the presentation and blame it on laziness and yet you continue to present yourself as a very young kid who is desperately trying to convince others that he/she knows what they are talking about. The more you post, the more credibility you lose. I do hope that you see that.

On the other hand, if my assumption is correct, and you are a very young kid (15 years old or below) than I do have to commend you for putting yourself out there and attempting to stand up for what you believe. But don't be ignorant of your limitations, grasshopper. The wizards curtain is never really fully drawn.

 

[purplechango]

this discussion is going way off topic in regard to semantics....jots and tittles...........

now its turning into lets prove chango wrong by diction and punctuation.... my opinion and choice is to write without borders.....

 

[jumpoff_the_planet]

I don't know a whole lot about the world or the oil industry or the government, I am in college currently and the one thing I do know is that millions of gallons of crude oil gushing into the gulf is NOT GOOD.

But if there is one thing the oil spill should do for us is UNITE US so we are strong enough to take a stand and affect a change in policy that prevents this type of thing.

Personally I think capitalism itself is to blame for this because it dictates that you have to find a way to makee more money and cut expenses to compete and get the consumer a good price.

Everybody I know says they would love to protest or do this or do that and then they go on to say "but noone else will so we cannot do anything about it"

I think we need to socialize certain essential industries such as Oil, Banking, Health Insurance, Food Production, Energy so that no corporation is making huge profits and the resources are allocated in the best way possible BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

Please guys let's not fight about shit let us think of solutions and what we can do to help the crisis somewhat.

We should not be attacking each other , I am sure the big oil execs want this exact thing to happen, " keep fighting amongst yourselves while I lobby congress and make mad profits at the whole nations expense"


The only way we can change anything at all is by uniting as a TEAM.

 

[lwien]

The world revolves around money, resources and power and the three support one another. It's been this way forever. It's in our DNA so in that aspect, I don't believe that things are going to change. What can change though is some restructuring so that a shift takes place that will make those things that are good for us...........profitable.

Regarding the socialization idea, while I agree that de-regulation has helped to get us in the bad situation that we currently find ourselves in, kind of like having the fox guarding the chicken-coop like what's happened in the Oil and Banking industries, total government control brings on a whole other set of issues. It's really a fine balancing act between government oversight and private enterprise. It's been said before that our very young Democracy is still in it's experimental stage and is an on-going project. I don't believe that we have yet found our way and maybe, that's how it's supposed to be, but sometimes, I get the distinct feeling that it's the blind leading the blind, and that can get kind of scary.

 

[jumpoff_the_planet]

The thing is we have to figure something out before the environment and the economy are so screwed there is no fixing it.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

If we continue on this path nature will take her course and millions of people will die due to global warming or pollution or what have you, I am sure the earth will be okay but humans won't and there is a possibility we could do so much damage that a lot of other life won't be able to continue.


I am becoming more and more disgusted with America the older I get....

 

[bluntfaced]

I we don't do something fast there is no doubt in my mind we will see violent revolution. That is when we start running out of oil and the food riots start happening and everything goes to shit.

What really makes me sick are comments like the world runs around money, resources and power and there's nothing we can do about it because that's the way it's always been. That is not the way the enlightened men that were our founding father's saw it. And many cultures have lived outside those parameters. We must strip money of it's power and move past these animal instincts that you speak of. We as humans have the capacity to love and we all have a conscious and this raises us above our animal instincts of hoarding and greed. The problem is that we live in a system purely motivated by profit that brings out these animal instincts in people, even if a CEO wanted to do the right thing, they have a responsibility to the stockholders and the system to make the paper. If we don't see a conscious evolution in the human state of mind than we will see violent revolution and with the vast supply of weaponry at our disposal our planet simply can not handle it.

socialist democracy and a recourse based economy and no the fake democracy we have now.

We need to call a new congressional session and write that shit up to protect the rights of the people not the rights of multinational corporation to take advantage of the people.

 

[bluntfaced]

It's also fucked up that the main argument I hear against socializing these systems we're talking about is that the government is too corrupt to handle it. Well no shit it's too corrupt and if you have realized that then do something about it.

 

[lwien]

What really makes me sick are comments like the world runs around money, resources and power and there's nothing we can do about it because that's the way it's always been. That is not the way the enlightened men that were our founding father's saw it. And many cultures have lived outside those parameters.

Which cultures, blunt?

 

[jumpoff_the_planet]

@bluntfaced

Yes I completely agree. We gotta change the whole structure so people are rewarded based on the benefit to society they make not on how much money they make a corporation.

We gota move towards a democratic socialist country and give more power to state governments so we could have more control as a people as to what happens with our country and state

 

[jumpoff_the_planet]

Also we should completely outlaw lobbying by big corporations.

 

[bluntfaced]

the native americans. I'm not talking about the large empires I'm talking about the various tribes scattered around north america, many people's in africa as well. Really though we need to look to the future not only the past. We have had a few thousand years as a species to figure it out and we are reaching a tipping point. The planet simply can not handle it and unless as a species, we embrace love completely and evolve our consciousness, if not we are going to completely wipe ourselves out along with most of the rest of life on the planet. Every human being has the capacity to love and if you love unconditionally you can not be afraid and there for can not be controlled. There are enough resources on the planet for everyone to live comfortably we just need to move past our animal instincts, it is the next step in human evolution.

Whether this happens before the scale tips the other way I do not know. I know we hear a lot about 2012 and it's been pretty played out but I personally believe this new energy cycle is going to aid in tipping the scale one way or another.