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  1. keifmaker

    keifmaker Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W

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    Is there much of a difference between using 190 proof everclear, and 99% ISO for qwiso? I know its a 4% difference in isopropyls favor but will everclear yeild a better product?
     
  2. StickyShisha

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    yes and yes :)
     
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  3. keifmaker

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    i like the product made with Everclear or Polish Spiritus much more than product of Iso
     
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  6. Denver912

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    I think I remember the etoh providing better samples than ISO. But a whole hell of a lot of other variables are at play as well.

    I think skunkpharm said taste was one of the areas improving when comparing etoh to ISO.
     
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  7. keifmaker

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    @Denver912 so you're saying etho is the way to go if I want best flavor

    one final question would be, with the etho extraction vac purge really isnt needed right? because ive read countless stories of people not doing vacuum purges and just letting it all evaporate naturally.. is that going to effect my taste if i dont vac it?
     
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  8. StickyShisha

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    can be done but once you go vac you never go back
     
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  9. keifmaker

    keifmaker Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W

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    its really necessary to vac etho hash oil? theres no toxins in it atleast nothing like butane so why do it if heat/evap is said to be enough?
     
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    I'm not 100 but I don't see any reason really to purge just a etoh run or iso. Maybe wrong for some reason. I'd not purge ever clear extracts.
     
  11. keifmaker

    keifmaker Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W

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    would i use the same wash time as i would with iso?
     
  12. Denver912

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    Yeah there are many different teks out there on how to do it. I'm sorta stoned but I'd follow the tek for the ISO. Skunkpharm again for info or reliable theads. Imo butane is more consistent. But you can do magic with etoh or iso and it's tasty. Mmm.

    Temps is critical of material and solvents. Plus ambient air temp when doing soaks. Also you can dry OTC solvents a step further with Epsom salts that you have previously baked in the oven converting the Epsom salts to anhydrous mag. Google it. If you want a dryer solvent. Maybe cut back on nasties being pulled over. Just a thought.

    And you can winterize the extract afterwards to clarify it if it doesn't come out as expected.
     
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  13. keifmaker

    keifmaker Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W

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    still cloudy on the winterization process so looks like im gunna be doing alot of reading on skunpharmso skunkpharm is saying a 3 min wash time for ethol? doesnt that seem a lil much i really dont want green oil
     
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  14. Denver912

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    How cold did you have everything? Was the material fresh or cured? Did you freeze the material before the extraction? How many washes and how long were the washes?

    And on the winterization I've heard people leave it in the freezer longer like days type stuff. Also what type of filter? Vacuum filtrated?

    Google polishing extracts

    If for personal I'd smoke the hell out of it cloudy and all. It's all hash in my eyes. Mmmmm. Concentrated weed yo. Awesome.
     
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  15. keifmaker

    keifmaker Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W

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    Havent made the batch yet tomorrow night when i have time and more resources. But 3 min wash seems pretty steep for the 91% iso washes is said to do 45 second washes max, 99% iso washes 30 seconds max. Everclear 190 proof is 95% alcohol so why such a long wash time...
     
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    I have no idea unless that is for edibles and not smoking? I'd do maybe two quick washes and a long was for what it said. Use the third for edibles if the first two washes take? If not take that same material and do that recipe over.

    But at the end of the day I'd assume the polishing steps would/could remove the waxes and chlorophyll.

    1. Freeze plant matter and alcohol up to 24hrs before extraction. The point of freezing the plant matter is to freeze and stiffen the trichomes, making them easier to break away from the plant.
     
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  17. keifmaker

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    polishing tips make me way more comfortable to do a run of ethol instead of iso

    ive done plenty of bho runs but butane is just very unattractive regardless how much its been purged
     
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    Do this def ^ if youre tying to make a smoke able extract. Then do the two thirty second washes for smoking and a last long 23 minute soak for edibles. I don't see it going wrong.

    A trick to make washes quicker is to take a funnel out the pre wet filter inside the funnel. Then put a metal strainer inside the funnel on top of the filter. That way after the soak you can quickly remove the metal strainer carrying most of the material with allowing the filter to not get clogged resulting in longer filter times.

    The waxes/chlorophyl stay stabilized at colder temps. So as they temps rise those waxes/chlorophyl start to absorb into the solvent way faster.
     
  19. keifmaker

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    idk bout the edibles thing not sure where it said that on skunkpharm but you're saying get the coffee filter damp then put it in a funnel? that would put water in my wash
     
  20. StickyShisha

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    not true, you're thinking about bubble tech. The cold in a solvent extraction is to lock water solubles like chlorophyll in the plant matter and not let it contaminate your alcohol.
     
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  21. Denver912

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    I pasted that from the net. Thanks for the clarification.

    http://weedporndaily.com/pot-primer/how-to-make-qwiso-alcohol-extracted-hash-oil/ <~~~here

    Not damp with water. With the etoh. Always prewet ur filters with the solvent of the extraction before filtering no matter what ur cleaning up.

    Kinda what I was looking for was like cold is ur friend. I never knew exactly why though. Science sure is cool though

    What attributes are you looking for in the finished product?

    Or am I stoned and u mean residual butane being the turnoff?
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    http://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExt..._melt_hash_from_grain_alcohol_part_iii_story/. <~~~~~ info I've not went through but on this topic
     
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  22. keifmaker

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    i just want somewhat transparent goldish oil butane always came out a dark dark amber and no i didnt overheat it.
     
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  23. Denver912

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    I was an avid bubble bag user but could only achieve full melt on specific strains and then i purchased a ecig vape that took only oil. so i finally bit the bullet and dove into ISO extract. I felt very confident in its safety as i am big on organics and no chemicals. here is the way i do ISO extract to make my hash oil (which ends up like a piece of caramel taffy, not too sticky, able to be handled at room temperature, and bubbles and melts clean when heated)

    First things you will need:
    ISOPROPYL alcohol. 91% or higher. 91% is ok during warmer summer months, but if the weather is cooler use only 99%. and it HAS TO BE ISOPROPYL. do not use rubbing alcohol or everclear or any other type of alcohol you think is better.. it is not and it is also not safe.

    A stovetop glass coffee pot.

    A Metal screen coffee filter that goes on top of the pot.

    Standard paper coffee filters.

    A clean pyrex bowl dedicated strictly to hash.

    A splash guard (big circle metal screen) to place on top of the pyrex bowl.

    1 large mason jar

    1 plastic tupperware container rectangle shaped

    Razor blades

    An electric oven

    a metal screen strainer

    ....

    First step is to get your ISOPROPYL alcohol. I buy mine from CVS if im using 91%, they have big bottles there.. if its a cooler time of the year i just order 99% from amazon.

    place in freezer for at least a couple of days before u are going to make your extract. THIS IS CRUCIAL DO NOT SKIMP ON THIS STEP.

    place your trimmings in the freezer also for the same amount of time.

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    When you go to start making your extract, place your trimmings into the mason jar, when the jar is full (or you are out of product) add the alcohol. i usually fill about 90% of the way with alcohol. usually about 2 big bottles of ISO.
    Put the lid on the mason jar and turn up and down and around and shake for about 30 seconds.

    take the lid off and pour through the metal screen strainer into the plastic tupperware container. basically u are seperating out the alcohol from the plant material at this stage.

    throw out the plant material, rinse out the mason jar, and fill the mason jar with the alcohol now seperated from the plant material.

    go outside (if you arent already) and set up your coffee pot with the metal coffee filter, then place about 10 paper coffee filters on top the metal one. proceed to pour the alcohol mixture from the mason jar into the top of the coffee filter. it is going to drip slow, so have patience, just pour so its all going into the paper filter, and leave it alone for about 15mins, then go back and top it off.. repeat until all your mixture is thru the filter.

    now u will have a very light neon green color liquid in your coffee pot, compeltely clean of any plant material and BS. just pure alcohol and cannaboids.

    pour this into the clean pyrex dish, leave it outside with the splash guard on top of it to prevent anything from flying into it. u can place a small fan next to it blowing down into it to speed up the alcohol evaporation process. do not use heat to speed up the process this is dangerous. also do not do any of this near an open flame or anything that can spark.

    during summer heat it will all evaporate usually within 24 hours. if u are using 91% in winter temperatures it can take upwards of 5 days to evaporate (the alcohol will go, but the 9% water will take forever, this is why in cooler temps use 99% ISO).

    once its all evaporated u will have a compltely dry pyrex dish with residue all over the bottom and side walls.

    get a razor and scrape it all together, it should be a light color looking like maple sugar or sand. it will be sort of powdery at this point. scrape it all free of the pyrex dish and into a neat pile in the middle of the pyrex bowl. preheat your oven to 150-200 degrees and give it about 3-5 minutes in there. what u are doing is heating the oil just enough to melt it together, this is not a decarb for eating it like rick simpson oil, its simply just to melt it together so it will be easier to handle later on.

    pull it out, and the oil will appear darker now, almost brownish. it should look melted together almost. get a razor and scrape it together again and itll stick together, swirl it around a few times with the razor and it will lighten up a little.

    once its swirled together and looks oily, let it sit out for a bit to cool off. once it cools off i will harden a little and if u slide the razor under it, it should pop off easily and be fairly easy to handle.

    at this point u can smoke it however u choose. i personally load mine into a ecig style vaporizer . but u can put small little shards on top of a bowl. the oil will bubble and melt away cleanly. extremely potent and flavorful. I have people who are avid ear wax smokers comment on the flavor and high of this extract and if they hit it out the ecig they cannot tell the different unless i mention it to them.

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    I'd do this and interchange the ethanol for the ISO. I'd dry the ever clear with anhydrous magnesium to get near pure ethanol or near pure ISO.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/e5s68/chalex_chilled_alcohol_extraction_method_the/

    ^nvm on that dumb shit.
     
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  24. 2clicker

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    i have made numerous runs of both and the Everclear extraction is superior IMO. the best "how to" for this is skunkpharms... http://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwet-extraction/

    ISO is a much more aggressive solvent compared to EC. hence the longer wash time with EC. follow the directions in the link above and you will get a wonderful return.

    winterization is great, but can be a total PITA and sometimes not worth it at all with small amounts. i do runs of 7-14gs and never feel i have enough to justify going through with winterization. when your soaking big ol jars of QWET then it makes more sense. with small amounts it just doesnt seem worth it to me.
     
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