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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by PhotoRider, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    The d-nail cap is the best ti cap that there is for heat drop IME of all the nails I have. Honestly man, temp drop is not the problem that many of us think. One of the best things you can do for yourself after you find your ideal temp is to stop looking at the number on your controller. So many people get so anxious about the numbers there, when in reality, that number does not represent the temp on your dish, but rather a thermocouple inside the coil. A titanium cap will draw more heat from the dish when placed on all enails, and many other nails that I have do much worse in this regard than my d-nail halos (holy shit the infiniti with HE cap for example!).

    A glass version of the d-nail cap would work better for not taking heat off the cap, but would drastically sacrifice pressure and airflow inherent in the d-nail cap design. You would lose more beneficial functioning for vaporization than you'd gain. This is due to the limitations of precisely engineered shapes and tolerances when we are blowing glass as opposed to CNC manufacturing titanium.

    I do have some advice to offer that will greatly improve your experience. It sounds like you dab more like I do. A long inhale, leaving the cap on until vapor is finished. As the d-nail CS people say, this will draw more heat into the cap due to increased contact time. However, if you have your qtip in hand, you'll notice that the cotton end perfectly covers the air intake hole on the d-nail universal 2.0 carb cap. If you do that, it'll cause much more rapid vaporization with a somewhat more restricted draw. This is my favorite way to use the d-nail cap, which is my favorite cap :D
     
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  2. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Excellent tip on technique, it is my method now to restrict the carb flow and it much improved my experience. I am still getting massive temp drops though and longer trails than I would like at the end. I've started to try to time the draw while the nail is heating/overheating past my preferred temp. Starts low and I start draw as soon as I hit desired temp, then the increasing temp momentum allows for low temp tastes but more complete vaporization.
     
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  3. shredder

    shredder Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if this could help, but when I got my dnail the dish didn't sit flat on the heater because the heater wasn't flat.

    I flattened it, best I could in a vice, and now it sits almost flat. The heater arm is slightly thicker than the coils, so it's not perfectly flat.

    Im surprised dnail said these large temp drops were normal. Maybe for the ninja controller?

    I am glad you've adapted tho.

    Sometimes, I start at say 550F and after a couple flavor hits crank the controller up to approximately 625F to get the rest of vapor as it gets wispy.

    I vape rosin, and every variety seems to like different temps. Even the same variety but taken at different stages of curing vapes different. Perfect for a gadget geek I guess, lol
     
  4. PoopMachine

    PoopMachine Well-Known Member

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    Im at 560 on my SIC dish right now with the Hexnail. I was running it at 625 with my Dnail controller.
     
  5. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Are you suggesting you couldn't use lower temps on the d-nail controller? I only ask because I use my SiC dish at 520f on my d-nail controller.

    Have they got presets for the hex-nail for the d-nail range yet?
     
  6. PoopMachine

    PoopMachine Well-Known Member

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    Never really tried. Ive just been adjusting the HexNail to get as low as I can without excessive reclaim buildup.

    Yes. There are SIC specific setings now for the Dnail Halo and theyve actually improved them since the first release.
     
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  7. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Sigh... I'm gonna do my best to show my complete ignorance here. Please bare with me :)

    I wanna move to an enail eventually but as with most ppl, money is tight. Im happy to upgrade over time tho. Atm, I'm just using a quartz banger/torch.

    Would you folks consider dnails analogue unit enough of an upgrade from banger/torch to warrant using it as a cheaper, usable stop gap until I can afford a digital controller? It appears like a good choice as it'd be compatible with a digital controller, but I'd still get use out of it in the meantime... If its any improvement over using a torch that is.

    Is it a no brainer or is there a better functional, upgradable, starting point at a similar price point?
     
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  8. seaofgreens

    seaofgreens My Mind Is Free

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    I think the auber RDK-200 is a better and cheaper option than the d-nail analogue.
     
  9. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    I shall have a look! Thanks.
     
  10. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    100% agreed. Don't get the d-nail analogue controller. It can't be used with quartz or sapphire halos, and the temp control is not ideal IME. If you wanna save money on a controller, the auber units or a number of other cheap PID controllers have been tried and true around these parts. You can still use your d-nail nails/coils etc with other brand controllers so long as the pin arrangement is the same.
     
  11. shredder

    shredder Well-Known Member

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    I bought a thick ass glass controller, and matched it with a dnail enail for the same reason. And it works great.

    And now im looking at getting another rig, and im thinking about getting a cheap dhgate controller and another dnail slim series with the SIC dish.

    That way I have a spare and I'll have one in my home and my shop. And save several hundred over the dnail controller, or the hexnail, that can read your mind.
     
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  12. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    Very helpful, thanks
     
  13. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Just now catching up... the comments really make me feel that my unit is underperforming.
    I am still getting puddles on rice size pieces at 705-715! Starts whitewall, fades quickly though. I feel I am running way too hot. I tried getting a temp gun but I am getting such inaccurate and random readings that it is pretty unusable as a benchmark.
     
  14. shredder

    shredder Well-Known Member

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    What type of dish?

    Using rosin on a sic dish I typically vape at 550-600F. I have found tho that each variety of rosin wants to vape at different temps. But im a low temp guy, ymmv.

    I use small loads of about 1/2 of a bb siz up to a bb size.

    And for whatever reason some varieties of rosin provide more hits per load than others, not sure why. But the more liquidy or buttery ones seemingly provides more hit, than the more stiffer ones.
     
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  15. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Thanks for feedback. I am using SiC, about the same size as one BB also, but I tend to shape it into more rice-like shape.
     
  16. Eatrocks

    Eatrocks Well-Known Member

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    Hey dudes, Ive sworn by quartz for a long time, now I see this sic dish with hive base and I start thinking...is this better than quartz? I like hot dabs a lot too, sometimes the quartz makes it taste soooo harsh if it's too hot.

    To me clean up is important, I have to qtip the bowl otherwise sitting oils smokes up and is not stealthy.

    Is the sic dish easy to clean so it don't smoke up on the next torch up.(for just over $100 for just a nail...it should clean itself)

    Also does dnail ship discreet and do they ship the next day?

    Also......how is the airflow? Used to high air flow bangers
     
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  17. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, unequivocally so. Better taste, stays at temp throughout the dab better, better clouds at lower temps, less trails and say goodbye to 'waste to taste'. Quartz is old news man, the waste involved in quartz dabs is justification enough alone to buy SiC.

    Buy SiC, you'll get your large clouds at much lower temps and with much better flavor, guaranteed.

    Qtipping is no problem with SiC, it'll stay very clean. You can also torch it until your butane dab torch runs out of gas without damaging it. I've done so with mine regularly for almost 4 years. I've dropped my SiC halo no less than 6 times from heights of 3-6 feet, always onto hard surfaces. No damage, no breakage.


    IME, they've always shipped in a timely fashion. I've never had faster service from another e-nail vendor, and the only other vendor that provides a solid SiC nail provides much, much less timely service. As to discrete, I suppose it depends on your standard of discrete. They have always been at least as discrete as any other vendor that I've dealt with IME.

    Airflow is wonderful. The d-nail universal 2.0 carb cap is one of the best airflow designs in a nail/cap IME. I've tried almost all of the high-end nails out there including the most expensive of quartz designs from pukinbeagle etc.

    If you prefer more open draws, just use the cap as intended. It should give you nice open draws. If you want even more clouds and extra restriction, cover the carb hole with a qtip during the draw :D
     
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  18. Eatrocks

    Eatrocks Well-Known Member

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    Wow thanks man, answered all my questions, I'ma order this nail. When I fuck up and dab too hot on the banger it's so bad, I'm jus like fuck that's not quartz, or I'm like that's not purged...lol.

    Yea by discrete I mean just a normal shipping box with a normal label, no 'smokes r us' or obvious headshop name.
     
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  19. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    It might be better to go with the Halo SIC dish man just because you may want to go ahead and upgrade to an enail controller down the road. I usually wouldnt recommend the Halo for torch method but it sounds like your going down the same road I did. First it was torching Ti, then torching quartz bangers, then torching the TAG sic nail, then finally stepped up to an enail. Then I got convinced to buy the Halo SIC and slim series and it was the decision I should have made from the start. Many of us have gone down the same or similar path only to find low temp dabbing on an enail with a SIC nail is where we end up. You will find you get much bigger clouds on smaller dabs. My dab size was cut in half almost.

    There is Sapphire out there too and this would be the Holy Grail of nail materials but I don't believe you can torch Sapphire and it is 3x expensive as SIC and fragile like quartz.
     
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  20. Eatrocks

    Eatrocks Well-Known Member

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    Hey how was the TAG sic nail?!? Of course I would rather spend 25 on one but the dish is SOOOOO small....I got the tag domeless str8 nail and I couldn't even get my pin head ti tool/cap to touch the base rendering it useless...not to mention the few dabs that went down the hole...yea that nail was retired a few hours after receiving.

    I don't mind the ritual of torching up for a hit, I'm not in a place where I can just leave out a rig/enail, I'd rather go with the cloudv electro.

    2.0 cap looks sic..lol. but I can't justify 50 for only a cap...I usually just cap with a glass vape juice bottle even thou I have a standard giant tag ti tool/cap.
     
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