TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
So I've tried the Crossing Hot Knife a few times now with some budder and live resin. Seems to work as advertised. USB-C cable seems cheap but otherwise all good.
Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A
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Chicken No Name
Dazed and confused
Had mine a few months now and no issues. I like it's long blade - easier to get into concentrate pots.
florduh
Well-Known Member
Live Rosin is a solventless extraction. Only heat and pressure is used.
Live resin is a butane extraction.
Live rosin is considered "purer" but live resin purchased from a dispensary shouldn't have anything added or residual solvents present.
Thank you. That's what i thought. Maybe this guy just didnt know what he was talking about.
florduh
Well-Known Member
Thank you. That's what i thought. Maybe this guy just didnt know what he was talking about.
Yeah. There are exceptions of course. But most "budtenders" are cashiers only. It's not their fault. Their employers don't care to train them.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Thought you could get solventless live resin as well? These things are misnamed all the time though and there are a lot of different forms of concentrate and extraction processes so may have been true there?
Possible. But as florduh said, i thought the truest and purest form was rosin (heat/pressure extraction).
I am trying to get away from solvents. It’s One of the reasons why i picked up the aeris. It is small enough to the point where i would probably be able to get away from carts altogether. But i was a bit surprised the guy told me it was reain and not rosin.
My ultimate goal is to grow and press my own stuff but we will see.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah that would of course be best, I've gotten good stuff for my friend who gets from another friend that presses a ton but also processes the other ways... Ordered from Preston Hemp Co and decided to go with their resin over the rosin after reading the reviews, but also looking at the strains, and the price lol However I was looking at their bubble hash, got a gram of that to try too, and most people were saying how they would press it into rosin, that seems to be the nicest of all! Bubble hash to rosin press
bizwaxzion
Enigmatic Cannabist
I think of resin as the contents of the trichome heads. This can be "live" or cured. Rosin is an extract using heat and pressure but no solvent whereas wax, budder, crumble etc. are solvent extracts. You can therefore have live rosin or cured rosin (from flower) as well as hash rosin (trichome heads from bubble hash or dry sift). Being single source from seed to hash rosin is a wonderful journey - fully recommend it.
florduh
Well-Known Member
When dispensaries sell anything called “live resin” it was extracted with a solvent. It’s confusing because there is “live rosin” as well. There’s only a single letter difference.
I’ve been on a cured resin and rosin kick though. It tastes more like flower. Cheaper. And the terps are more comfortable on my throat.
The terps these days are too damn high!
I’ve been on a cured resin and rosin kick though. It tastes more like flower. Cheaper. And the terps are more comfortable on my throat.
The terps these days are too damn high!
General Disaster
A Country Member
Bloody marketing mostly to be frank. As pointed out - the names have become, shall we say, flexible? Next to meaningless sometimes unless you focus on an individual manufacturer who has been proven to be accurate and precise in their use of the various terms (as well as good chemists).
Resin is a meaningless word in this respect. Of course that manufacturer could be you, if your technique is good enough to be reliably repeatable.
Half the words often used don't even have a fixed definition, dealers choice in some cases, hence totally inadequate for much beyond advertising.
e.g.
Resin [noun]:
"any of various solid or semisolid amorphous fusible flammable natural organic substances that are usually transparent or translucent and yellowish to brown, are formed especially in plant secretions, are soluble in organic solvents (such as ether) but not in water, are electrical nonconductors, and are used chiefly in varnishes, printing inks, plastics, and sizes and in medicine"
Other definitions around but essentially they'll boil down to the same thing. I remember back in the day when hash was often called resin, despite not meeting the definition, and the word was just that, a word, it meant nothing more than calling it hash (or hashish to be more accurate, I believe), couldn't even be used to differentiate between different types of hash.
These words are often used because of associations of quality, preference, popularity, etc, but not the actual substance in question. They could be, but assuming that is ignorance and (imho) stupid if you care in the slightest about what you're taking, whatever the reason (health, taste, effect, blah blah). Even if it's just that you want to continue repeating the experience in future.
As an aside, if you're chasing terps, bit of a smell and taste merchant (not dissin', just jealous!
), it can be useful to know that every additional process you perform on your extract, will remove more and more of what you may find desirable, while (hopefully) removing more of what's unwanted. There's no magic formulae, unless you've some serious equipment capable of running that process accurately (and you know how to use it properly). It's a balance, and as a amateur producer, that has to be accepted. Doesn't mean better or worse, that's personal choice, but there are efficiencies to consider, which really can be called cost.
So (imho) don't get too hung up on the terms every time (they can help but treat with caution until confirmed what a particular sample really is), but do try to learn how your favoured types are produced (if buying not making) as you'll learn more about what it is you like and why, giving you more choice to look at other things that may match those positive properties while having other different but positive one's!
e.g. do you tend to find your favourite types are very refined? Do you find solvent extracts preferable to pressure/heat extracts, etc etc.
It's the methods that maketh the concentrate, not the names.
As they say (who does?) "You can call him King, but does he rule?".
Resin is a meaningless word in this respect. Of course that manufacturer could be you, if your technique is good enough to be reliably repeatable.
Half the words often used don't even have a fixed definition, dealers choice in some cases, hence totally inadequate for much beyond advertising.
e.g.
Resin [noun]:
"any of various solid or semisolid amorphous fusible flammable natural organic substances that are usually transparent or translucent and yellowish to brown, are formed especially in plant secretions, are soluble in organic solvents (such as ether) but not in water, are electrical nonconductors, and are used chiefly in varnishes, printing inks, plastics, and sizes and in medicine"
Other definitions around but essentially they'll boil down to the same thing. I remember back in the day when hash was often called resin, despite not meeting the definition, and the word was just that, a word, it meant nothing more than calling it hash (or hashish to be more accurate, I believe), couldn't even be used to differentiate between different types of hash.
These words are often used because of associations of quality, preference, popularity, etc, but not the actual substance in question. They could be, but assuming that is ignorance and (imho) stupid if you care in the slightest about what you're taking, whatever the reason (health, taste, effect, blah blah). Even if it's just that you want to continue repeating the experience in future.
As an aside, if you're chasing terps, bit of a smell and taste merchant (not dissin', just jealous!
), it can be useful to know that every additional process you perform on your extract, will remove more and more of what you may find desirable, while (hopefully) removing more of what's unwanted. There's no magic formulae, unless you've some serious equipment capable of running that process accurately (and you know how to use it properly). It's a balance, and as a amateur producer, that has to be accepted. Doesn't mean better or worse, that's personal choice, but there are efficiencies to consider, which really can be called cost.So (imho) don't get too hung up on the terms every time (they can help but treat with caution until confirmed what a particular sample really is), but do try to learn how your favoured types are produced (if buying not making) as you'll learn more about what it is you like and why, giving you more choice to look at other things that may match those positive properties while having other different but positive one's!
e.g. do you tend to find your favourite types are very refined? Do you find solvent extracts preferable to pressure/heat extracts, etc etc.
It's the methods that maketh the concentrate, not the names.
As they say (who does?) "You can call him King, but does he rule?".
As an aside, if you're chasing terps, bit of a smell and taste merchant (not dissin', just jealous!
Naw. I am not chasing terps, although i do love tasty flower/concentrates.
I am asking for help identifying the difference between resin and rosin because i am after a pure, no additive experience.
Back in the day, before military, i was a combustion guy. J, bowl, bong, didnt matter. Now that i am older i started back after the military with 510 carts. There is some really nice stuff out there, but honestly i don’t want the additives in my stuff anymore.
This is one of the reasons why i grabbed an Aeris. I wanna try to move away from the 510 stuff if i can.
As stated above, my ultimate goal is to grow my own, press my own, and enjoy my own…..and i am almost there.
vapviking
Old & In the Way
I've been buying live rosin both as dabbing concentrate and in 510 carts.
I applaud your quest to grow your own, make your own.
I completely agree with you, and though I primarily vape flower, I have finally landed on rosin after not having it avaliable (in my area, with my resources). But now it is here in NY, and we are even beginning to see prices come down a little.
All the methods that use solvents strip away much of if not all of everything but thc. So terps, etc. are added back in, using either naturally occurring terps, sometimes the very same that were taken out... And then they try to call it full spectrum or some such thing.
Then there's the solvent which, yeah, most likely has all been removed....
These add up to me being more willing to pay the premium for rosin.
General Disaster
A Country Member
And I quite agree with the sentiment! In fact, it was kinda what I was suggesting, although not in those words as such.
Basically, the very best way to play the concentrate game if you care for the variety etc. (flavour, effect, whatever) then doing it yourself instead of playing the commerce game of emotional attachment, branding, advertising, and all that will win out (assuming you treat what you do with respect) playing their own game, rather than the profit machine. If someone finds a truly righteous producer, all power to them, but the majority won't.
There again, I always preferred finding things out for myself, as much for the pleasure of doing so as for the result, but not everyone has the opportunity sometimes. And each to their own anyway?
But I do have a dislike of manipulation for the sellers benefit against the buyers, and word games tend to be prevalent.
(even if most modern businesses practically require it to survive).
Timps27
Feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin’ again
This is why the farm (or producer) is the most important part to me. I find a local farm that demonstrates their commitment to quality and safety in their extraction processes. I’m local AZ now, and for me it’s been Grow Sciences; from strain selections to quality, to potency to effects, GS has yet to let me down.
ClearBlueLou
unbearably light in the being....
Thing is, the two words, resin & rosin, are really ONE word w/ variable pronunciation.
That said, “rosin” has been used specifically by players of bowed instruments like violins, to refer to the exudate they apply to their bows. Otherwise, *regional* pronunciations dominate.
AFAICT there’s no reason to pick one for solvent-made & the other for non-solvent…and there’s certainly NO AGREEMENT
On further looking, ”rosin” most often refers to pine sap that’s had the turpentine cooked out of it, whereas “resin” from any plant is most often considered ‘raw’
Based on that, I’d go w/ ‘rosin’ as a heat-treated solvent product, & ‘resin’ as the raw goo the naked girls used to collect off the plants in the moonlight (& whatever could be made with that)
Thank you for your patience
That said, “rosin” has been used specifically by players of bowed instruments like violins, to refer to the exudate they apply to their bows. Otherwise, *regional* pronunciations dominate.
AFAICT there’s no reason to pick one for solvent-made & the other for non-solvent…and there’s certainly NO AGREEMENT
On further looking, ”rosin” most often refers to pine sap that’s had the turpentine cooked out of it, whereas “resin” from any plant is most often considered ‘raw’
Based on that, I’d go w/ ‘rosin’ as a heat-treated solvent product, & ‘resin’ as the raw goo the naked girls used to collect off the plants in the moonlight (& whatever could be made with that)
Thank you for your patience
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General Disaster
A Country Member
I mostly agree with you, except that last comment. While Rosin may fit a certain definition, and may even be applied correctly, that will have little to do with how many commercial concerns use that (and related) words. Don't get suckered by marketing (if you care about such things).
Because Rosin is a word that's come from something else and used to apply to a particular process of cannabis extraction, I strongly suspect that it was 'borrowed' from other uses (such as violin rosin, etc) and used as a 'brand' name (in essence, not registered) to separate that new type of extraction from other types, and thus be able to commercialise it. Other manufacturers and distributors, seeing the popularity of this new type, have (in some cases) 'stolen' it and used for their own products that may be using a different process (and resulting in something that seems the same or similar, but fundamentally isn't). Essentially product forgery.
Consequently, you can take the sellers word, and cross your fingers (and indeed all may be fine), or you can make sure to determine what that product really is (if possible) and choose not to buy and/or use because it's not provably trustworthy (it may be great! But do you know?
Effect alone won't say what else may be in it that shouldn't).
Obviously, this is just my opinion, for whatever that's worth.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Finally got my order after 2 weeks with no email or IG replies... However at least the quality of the dabs seems quite nice indeed!
General Disaster
A Country Member
Are you sure it didn't just feel like two weeks? Waiting for that score!
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Are you sure it didn't just feel like two weeks? Waiting for that score!
No, they finally replied, and claim they don't get orders from California often so mine was held? And the person who would check had been out... Sort of a lame excuse actually?
General Disaster
A Country Member
Sounds like they were just stoned off their tits!
"Don't get high on your own supply!"
"...claim they don't get orders from California often"
Riiiiight! Of course not! Even from over the pond, we have this suspicion that no-one in California likes cannabis! I mean, it has always been known for straights and bashers.
"No hippys here!"
(Oops! Er, wasn't implying you're a hippy or anything! unless you want me to!!
)
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Sounds like they were just stoned off their tits!
"Don't get high on your own supply!"
"...claim they don't get orders from California often"
Riiiiight! Of course not! Even from over the pond, we have this suspicion that no-one in California likes cannabis! I mean, it has always been known for straights and bashers.
"No hippys here!"
(Oops! Er, wasn't implying you're a hippy or anything! unless you want me to!!
Haha they seemed to allude to a family tragedy as a reason why the employee wasn't there for so long to check, but yeah I don't know why California should be a red flag for them, theoretically because it's easy to get weed here anywhere? But not easy to find good quality consistently... That isn't just pre-packaged dry brands without being able to see it anyway so might as well order online lol
Yes? But it would depend on the concentrate, and from where...
General Disaster
A Country Member
I think it smacks of excuses. Mostly if a genuinely good (and especially small) business has some sort of personal emergency that effects customer service, the first thing they do as soon as they get the chance is email out everyone to explain the situation, at least in terms of how they intend to manage it even if things are a bit late - at least people know what to expect then.
I find it's the not knowing, and not getting a response, that creates anxiety and stress. And it can be interesting how effecting that can be for all it's apparent lack of relative importance (it's not as bad as some mishaps!). I find it so triggering I only buy from a trusted supplier nowadays. Mind, over here suppliers are not so easy to find and deal with, us lot still running all over the place with the Keystone Kops hot on our trail!
Buster Keaton would have loved it here!
Though on reflection, maybe the triggering is exacerbated by the illegality over here still.
Still, once the shits work out how to capture a legal cannabis market over here - that's when the government will suddenly realise that cannabis is actually not the cause of rapists and murderers! That it's actually less bad than alcohol! So we can all have some without being busted now, just to make sure you only buy that gov approved stuff! I've spoken to people who have worked in the legal cannabis industry, and they've all given the same picture - it's a legal scam. The quality is totally unreliable, sometimes coming with mold in! This is medically prescribed shit! Disgraceful!
Complete luck if you get something decent. And when our gov made it legal for our health service to prescribe it, especially for kids with those sometimes terminal cases of epilepsy and the like, it was a fix, they allowed a handful of parents who had loudly campaigned for years to try and save their kids lives without being arrested for it, have some, for the news papers, then arranged it so it was almost impossible for NHS doctors to prescribe even though it was technically legal. This pushed all the rest of those needing it to have to go private at great cost (far far greater than the black market), or do without. What a wonderful world, eh?
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