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Gear Concentrate accessory questions (Ti, SS, Nails, Dabbers)

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Purpl3_Haz3, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. Purpl3_Haz3

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    You answered my question without me asking it Sir! I want to do dunks/bhombs and I can't hit my quartz/boro target for shit. My dome sits high above the nail, and this doesn't help; the few times I've tried have been failures with my dab landing beside the nail, or in the bottom of the dome. Hopefully, between adjustable height and the large cup, I'll be able to dunk away!

    Checked the tracking on my DYD and it should be here today, went out for delivery this AM, yet my mail is about an hour and a half late...It's all good though, cause I don't have quite enough oil to season up the nail. I'll be doing a run tomorrow so I have enough to test/indulge with.
    Edit* Mail arrived, 2 hours late, but it arrived none the less. I opened the box, and inside was a bag containing the Titanium goodness! Even though I don't have enough oil to properly break in this beast, as mentioned previously, I was tempted by the beauty of this nail and I gave in. I adjusted it to sit about a centimeter or so below the opening on my dome, maybe a little closer, and took the torch to it. I heated until I got a bit of a glow, and I put the dome on. Being very limited on supplies, I took a dab slightly smaller than what I use in this video, and dropped it onto the nail; I was expecting a not so amazing taste from what others have mentioned of un seasoned Ti, but surprisingly it wasn't that bad. I took another couple dunks afterwards. Ti is my new friend, and even though this is my first product, I must say it is an amazing piece of technology for a chunk of metal. A lot of thought had to go into this one!

    Still haven't tried the small head...
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  2. DoYouDab

    DoYouDab Golden Drops Manufacturer

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    Can't wait sir!

    <iDunk. Be sure to post some pictures up, and if there is anything you don't like about the nail let me know here!
     
  3. Purpl3_Haz3

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    I'll take some pictures, well, probably a video or two, tomorrow. I'll be doing at least one run tomorrow, possibly two depending on what's at the dispensary.

    One quick question, does the rainbow like color go away? what is it?
     
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  4. FLskwat

    FLskwat VAPOLITICS!

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    Haha a new Ti lover... AWESOME! The color thing is normal and no it will keep a blue shade (less intense but still there)!
     
  5. SD_haze

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    I was reading that the rainbow coloring can be partially prevented by doing a more gradual heatup with the titanium.

    Instead of blasting it with the whitest blue part of the inner flame, start it on the translucent light blue outer flame for a few seconds and then gradually get closer.

    Should also help prevent wear & tear down the road a bit too.
     
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  6. Purpl3_Haz3

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    Yup! didn't take much to bring me to the (dark?) Titanium side, hehe :brow:

    I probably could have been a little bit slower, but that's actually how I heated it. I guess old habits are hard to break; I've been heating glass like that to avoid cracks, etc/prolong the life of it. I don't actually every use the intense sharp blue center part of the flame...I find that the outer part works better for me.
     
  7. Purpl3_Haz3

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    Third day with the DYD nail, and I'm still lovin it! Haven't done a video yet, been a little busy, but I'll be trying tonight or tomorrow.

    The color of the head is still a blue/purple rainbow deal. Taste of the dabs on the first day was awesome, but I only had a few dabs left of my diesel oil. I went to the dispensary yesterday, and got some pineapple. I didn't remember that I hate the taste of that strain lol. I fought the rain yesterday all day long, getting a short time to go outside for a run, and rush back in after it evapped. got back some nice yellow/slightly amber shatter.

    I've been dabbing that stuff (dunking, haven't touched the dabber since monday :brow: ) and it's not bad. I really don't like the taste, but I really think it's the oil and not the nail. I also picked up some white russian, which tastes better, but I didn't get the chance to run it yesterday. So, in the next few days I'll spray the white russian and see how that tastes.

    Couple questions for any Ti nail users.

    Where do you aim the torch when heating your nail? (the bottom/base of the nail, middle, or top?) I've been aiming for the middle area, to avoid hitting the threaded rod with the torch.

    Do you heat just one side of the nail? (I have a bernzomatic mini tane torch from home cheapo, and it has a decent flame, but it seems to make the area your heating specifically hotter than the rest of the nail. I find I can get a minimal to strong glow on one side, leaving the other side seemingly colder. I have the torch held far enough away so as to make the flame "wrap" around the nail, not just hitting the nail in one small spot. I avoid letting the hot blue center part of the flame hit the nail as well.)

    How long do you let the nail cool after heating? (heat to minimal glow, cool X seconds...etc?)

    When you drop a little chunk of shatter/sap/whatever (not sure if it differs, I have shatter at the moment) on the the nail, should it vape instantly? roll around a bit before producing vapor? should it leave any residue behind? seen different things in peoples vids online.

    That's all I can think of for now...still haven't tried the small head. I will though for the video!

    if any of the above made no sense, or less than it should have, I am fairly medicated now.

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  8. SD_haze

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    I'll tackle the ones I know the best.

    It is a very good sign for any oil/wax/budder to leave no residue on the TI nail, but I've found that rarely happens with "dispensary concentrates"
    The PureGold honey oil definitely leaves no residue with vaped.

    You can aim the torch wherever you're targetting the greatest mass of metal, so often times that is the side, not direct on, but either way works.

    When I heat my nail on the side, one half glows red much more than the other, but it does not seem to affect the dab. However, since the DYD nail kind of pools the oil in the middle, I suppose that would matter a little more (and makes heating it head-on make even more sense)

    How long to let the nail cool is definitely something to practice. The thing is, all nails cool differently based on weight/size, so a heavy-duty nail like the DYD I'm sure will give you plenty of time to let it cool. You know you've gone too hot if you don't get a lot of taste or its extra harsh, so you're looking for it to cool down just enough that it all vaporizes fine, while still getting max flavor from not burning it.

    If you have a friend with a laser thermometer, that can be helpful for getting the motion down.
     
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  9. FLskwat

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    NO residue other then the "not fully consumed" dabs, that can happen because nail too cold or inhale too small, lol.
    BTW, I have been dealing with DYD for us to sale some of their nails around here in France!
    Very nice to deal with!
    Purpl3 : I wrap my nail with the full flame and try to get a light and even glow by aiming the middle and by swirling a little!
    Oh and the "roll around before vaping" = nail not properly seasoned/new!
     
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  10. SD_haze

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    Very good point, you can get residue from a under-heated nail too :nod:
     
  11. DoYouDab

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    Alright, I'll try my best here for ya. I've been dunking all night, so hang with me lol.

    "Where do you aim the torch when heating your nail? (the bottom/base of the nail, middle, or top?) I've been aiming for the middle area, to avoid hitting the threaded rod with the torch."

    I aim from the bottom, up at the curve on the bottom of the head, at what I would guess is roughly a 25-30 degree angle. The flame licks the threaded rod, but it won't affect "taste/smell" once dunked. The rod is 100% CP grade 2 titanium, the same as every component that makes up our nail. Unless your nail is lowered all the way down, don't worry too much. What I try to avoid, is heating downward into the bowl.

    "Do you heat just one side of the nail? (I have a bernzomatic mini tane torch from home cheapo, and it has a decent flame, but it seems to make the area your heating specifically hotter than the rest of the nail. I find I can get a minimal to strong glow on one side, leaving the other side seemingly colder. I have the torch held far enough away so as to make the flame "wrap" around the nail, not just hitting the nail in one small spot. I avoid letting the hot blue center part of the flame hit the nail as well.)"

    I usually stick to one side (I have a nail for every rig, go figure lol) as it's pretty ritual. When I clean it, I seem to aim for the same spot. I've got a couple heads that are going on well over 500 cycles, and they still have a varied rainbow coloring to them. I NEVER get the nail red hot, at most it's halfway heated. There is simply no use in it BLAZING red if you ain't dropping POINT*5 or more on it. My opinion at least.

    Don't worry, if one side of the nail is starting to get red hot, the other side is pretty fricking warm. Trust me, lol. You're doing well by not blasting it full on.

    "How long do you let the nail cool after heating? (heat to minimal glow, cool X seconds...etc?)"

    I heat mine so it's 1/3 red, if that (depending on dunk) let it cool for about 5-7 seconds (again, factors dictate the time, if it's miniscule don't heat it as much) and go at it.


    "When you drop a little chunk of shatter/sap/whatever (not sure if it differs, I have shatter at the moment) on the the nail, should it vape instantly? roll around a bit before producing vapor? should it leave any residue behind? seen different things in peoples vids online."

    Chances are, it will take a half second, to a full second to start vaping, depending on shape and size. If it takes longer, the nail is too hot. A laser thermometer is your friend!

    If it leaves residue, that means there are waxes and lipids present. Winterizing in an ethanol bath and filtering after 24 hours will remove the undesired crap.

    If the nail is too cold, your oil will not fully vaporize and will often puddle. That is how I season a nail, by achieving a cold hit.

    Hope that helps!






    "NO residue other then the "not fully consumed" dabs, that can happen because nail too cold or inhale too small, lol.
    BTW, I have been dealing with DYD for us to sale some of their nails around here in France!
    Very nice to deal with!
    Purpl3 : I wrap my nail with the full flame and try to get a light and even glow by aiming the middle and by swirling a little!
    Oh and the "roll around before vaping" = nail not properly seasoned/new!"


    Flskwat just introduced EU to the next thing!

    I'm sure he will give a detailed description, seeing as he has a personal one on the way ;)

    You are quite the pleasant person to work with, sir. Thank you!
     
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  12. Purpl3_Haz3

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    THANKS for the replies guys!

    I do own a IR laser sight thermometer...what temp range am I aiming for?

    I've been heating it with a fluid motion, as opposed to holding the torch static. I get an even glow all around easily now. I've been experimenting with what temps I'm dabbing at/how long to let it cool from a certain glow. I still haven't zeroed in yet.

    My dabs still roll around a bit, and between hits, the inside of the nail head has only a small section which is "seasoned" or has a bit of a darker color; the majority of the head (inside) is still the same rainbowy Ti color like the outside. I would love to take a dab big enough to coat the whole inside, but I can't justify it $$ wise and I couldn't handle one much bigger than what I do now.

    It seems that the dabs don't all vape in the exact same spot. I drop them onto the nail, and they roll around, vaping off where ever they are when they vape. I hold my piece when hitting it, cause I don't have an easy place to sit it and hit it from; this surely attributes to the dab vaping in a different spot each time, cause the nail is cupped, and holding the piece at an angle changes where the "bottom" most part of the cup is.

    The taste is still a little harsh, and I think it's cause I'm vaping it at too high of a temp. I have got a tiny little little ember on just one hit, while the hit was vaping. this was one of my first hits, at a obviously too high temp. I don't think it was plant matter, or tane, cause theres no tane taste whatsoever, and it's a transparent yellow oil, and it only made a small ember that one time. I've taken one or two dabs that haven't left any additional residue on top of what was there...these weren't harsh at all (really wish I knew what temp range I was in on those hits! lol) but the rest still leave a residue.

    Using the temp gun has taught me one thing...this nail holds it heat. It's deceiving; after the glow is gone, it still holds a nice hot temp for a while.

    *Edit...missed your post DoYouDab, as I was typing mine while you replied...Thanks for the advice, and being dunked out myself, I understood it all fine! Between the three of you I'm pretty well covered now. My only remaining question, which wasn't originally posted, is what temp range should I aim for? once I look at time it etc using a thermometer, I'll have a better idea. I don't wanna waste too many dabs trial and error-ing it though.
     
  13. DoYouDab

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    Lol.

    Trial and error is the only way you're going to point down exactly what you like.

    I've been dabbing for such a long time, I can hold my finger over a nail and know if it's too hot or cold. My partner has a IR gun, I don't use one lol. I just know exactly what temp I'm after, per sized flake/glob/bomb.

    Try getting the nail to around 375*, and working your way down. That will give you a fair estimation.

    Do yourself a favor, and get a cold hit going. What you are after is pooling, no vaping. Then, heat that ti and burn off the oil.
     
  14. MarcellusWiley

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    Yea it took me a while to get the GF to realize heating up the nail past red wasn't gunna do anything except make her cough more haha
     
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  15. Purpl3_Haz3

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    Thanks again. That number helped as an affirmation. I had already started going at no hotter than 350-360* Also did a cold dunk earlier and got it to season finally. Taste is improved greatly! My next priority is a video, I'll post it here when it's up!

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  16. jambandphan03

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    Looking forward to trying your DYD nail!! :tup: I'll season-er up a nice too! What is the cold dunk?
     
  17. DoYouDab

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    Dunking is the act of dabbing sans dabber. Just toss it at the nail head, and hope it hits your target lol.

    A 'Cold-hit' is essential in breaking in a new nail, IMO. A Cold-Dunk is pretty much a cold hit, but he didn't use any utensil to apply the dab. I like the lingo purple!
     
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  18. Purpl3_Haz3

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    A cold dunk would be what DoYouDab was referencing to, as to how to season the nail. Take a dab, or hit, or dunk or whatever, with the nail at a temp lower than you'd want to dab at...so that the dab pools up, but doesn't vape away. Getting the Ti warm enough to let the oil liquify, and get in the pores of the Ti. Then heat up the nail again and burn away the oil. \/


    Edit*

    Man, this east cost west cost reply timing is pretty epic. You beat me to it though DYD, but I'll leave my post anyhow :lol:
     
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  19. DoYouDab

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    Hah, I'm having fun. You're doing a fine job sir!
     
  20. jambandphan03

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    Thanks for the info!! I'll be sure to do it up right. Can't wait! I've got some qwiso that will work for the seasoning, would something like bubblehash work too? or is that too solid?
     
  21. SD_haze

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    cheap bubble hash wouldn't really melt to seal the pores, and you certainly wouldn't want to waste nice melty bubble.
     
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  22. jambandphan03

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    Yeah, I guessed as much, but thought it was worth asking anyway. I'll cook off some of my low end qwiso, that will be a great use for a sub par oil.
     
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  23. FLskwat

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    OK this is a trip from a pretty concentrated mind :smug:, please excuse me!
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    But I could do a bunch of quartz accessories with my home stock, right???

    BTW, is this the quartz the guys are using for our nailz and such?

    Oh And one nice tip: who thought about using the 7th floor vapor tamers as Concentrate accesories???
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    I did and it works incredibly well for flavor conservation (and yes I was careful with my torch and aimed only the nail, no worries!)!! Pretty stoked!
     
  24. t-dub

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    Well I received my DoYouDab today and it is absolutely beautiful. Here it is in it's new home :)

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  25. jambandphan03

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    Looks fantastic!! :clap:
     

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