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Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Vapinghole, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    I haven't....my supplement knowledge is creatine and protein powder and that's about it :lol: I'll have to look into those
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Yeah they are both great natural supplements. The gelatin in particualr will be of particualr benefit for athletes. We even giv it to our old dog to keep her fit, supple and active. They do 2 types of gelatin, the collagen hydrolysate is the one you want. It is high protein, but so much more.
    Call it the natural healthier version of the not so natural creatin and protein powders, both somewhat artificial I believe (but dont quote me on that, Im just a firm believer in being as natural as possible.)

    Spirulina is also a very good source of concentrated protein I believe.
     
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  3. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Gonna call the local gym later and see what it costs to join. I don't think it's too bad ($30 a month) but I will be miffed if I have to sign a year contract or anything like that as I'm not sure how long I'll be at residence I'm at.

    My weight is pretty static. I bounce between 185 and 190. (I am 6 ft and a half about) I am definitely getting stronger in my aerobic activity and my legs definitely. I'm able to do a few (2 or 3) miles averaging out to 9:30 a mile! So I'm definitely seeing improvements. I can even almost break 9 for just one mile, but that kills me the rest of the workout. But I'm consistently getting closer to that 9 minute mark (9:08 on Sunday)

    Been trying to run 3 miles at that slightly slower rate, every other day. The days in between I try to walk. I'm improving in that capacity too, and I'm walking for at least 45 minutes to an hour and getting at least 3-4 miles under my belt when I'm doing that. I try to throw one interval session in per week, basically if it's cold or chilly and I'm over running outside :lol:

    I am definitely fitter and marginally skinnier, but I am definitely soft. Skinny fat you could say. If I added some muscle mass I would be pretty svelte :brow: and would help in the loss of extra fat cause muscle takes calories from you during rest

    I've been doing pushups too, and while I notice a bit more definition, that was kind of chief reason I wanted to join gym. I can do 50 pushups no problem, rest briefly and belt out another 50. Not building muscle when you don't have enough resistance. When I started I was struggling to do even 15.

    Been working my abs too. I have pretty strong abs already from lots of swimming in youth. But even that, rapid improvements.

    My diet has been so so. I still don't eat much throughout day, but I do tend to eat healthier overrall. That said late at night is the worst and sometimes when I get real baked I'll destroy some sweets and other stuff. For instance, yesterday my diet was 4-5 cups of black coffee. a 20g protein bar. Roughly 1.25 lbs of Salmon. And the majority of a 10 oz bag of Cadberry Crispy Eggs :lol: so gonna try not do that.....
     
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  4. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Wow, really nice gym. Definitely a lifters gym. Awesome cause every other gym here is either 24/7 bullshit with no free weights, or club/expensive, this has a bunch of nice machines...not the sexiest but every machine and I honestly prefer their older models compared to the new stuff at last gym. Lot of cardio stuff too. And the downstairs had an awesome free weight section and some free weight machines. I could do shrugs! And a proper row! All the 24/7 gyms I've joined over years have been seriously lacking :lol:

    But, I came to post about what goes around comes around. Few months ago, I picked up a friend and his moms boyfriend was fiending to smoke, I packed him up, smoked(ew lol), packed one up for them to enjoy later whenever they wanted. He was super thankful and loved it - he's older and get impression smokes mid

    After work I call gym. No answer at either listed number. Go to gym, door locked desk isn't staffed. Call new number, leave message. Annoyed, decide to walk while I'm out, walk around the back of building and the guy from above was coming in and let me in, told me no biggie called owners and basically let me workout when I couldn't have. he can smoke when he normally couldn't have, I can workout!
     
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  5. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    I've always had my own exercise equipment and have only been to a gym 3 times in my life. I learned early on that if I had the room for it ... good used exercise equipment could be had for 10 cents on the dollar. I've bought used elliptical machines, free weights and benches and everything in between. Two to three months after the new year's resolutions die a horrible death ..... has been very good to me.;)

    I've been at it steady since I was 13 and if I had to leave the house to get a workout in I might take a pass more often.

    Don't get me wrong .... there is a social aspect to working out that some folks need and I think that whatever gets you off the couch is good stuff. My wife and daughters have had gym memberships that are tied to working out with friends and family. They use the social obligation to go to the gym and motivate each other while at the gym. Then they head off to the smoothie bar or the regular kind. :D They really look forward to the social aspect and not so much the actual workout. Truth be told...they hate working out. This isn't specific to females either. I have male friends who would stop working out if they weren't tied/obligated to going with 'the group' and then going out afterwards.

    I'm the exact opposite when it comes to the social aspect. I think its because I really enjoy the physicality so I don't require the social motivation. For me it gets in the way. The few times I've gone to the gym with folks hasn't worked out well .... I'm super focused and get right to it without much break between sets so I'm no fun I guess.

    Oh, and one other benefit to having what you need at the house....if I want to vape in between sets I don't even get off the bench :brow:

    Word of warning......NO YEARLY CONTRACTS! I think my daughter's current gym is Planet fitness - I think it's 10 bucks a month and no contract and is open almost 24/7.
     
  6. HellsWindStaff

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    @His_Highness i wish! I don't have the space :( but I do like the
    motivation of having to go do it.

    I am same way though, I don't wanna talk to anyone really at gym I wanna work out and hard. I know the kibitzing type lol, hell yesterday my neighbor saw me when I walked back and I told him I was at gym and he is now trying to go with me lol, I'll play by ear but I'd be lying if I didn't groan to myself
     
  7. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    There are serious advantages to the gym .... can't tell you the number of times I went to far on the bench press without a spotter and had to roll it off me the hard way. Your neighbor could save your life if he can stop talking long enough ;)
     
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  8. HellsWindStaff

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    I got to say, while happy with price and amenities at gym, and location (.2 miles from house) make it very prime, but the owner seems quite unprofessional.

    There are two numbers online. Neither in service.

    On front door is their number. Different #. I called Tuesday night, no answer.

    I call 3 times yesterday, no answer, leave messages.

    I call twice earlier, no answer.

    I call this afternoon and I got the ignore button. It rang a few times then VM. This really irked me.

    I text though, as I know it's cellphone. finally answer they out of state for winter will be back in a few weeks. They got me in touch with the guy overseeing it while they were gone, but all via text lol.....they never checked messages or called me back. And at the end I thanked them for all their help and said I'd be there at 5 for my pin and they responded

    "ok"

    No thanks or nothing! Lol. Least seems smooth sailing now. Struck me as so juvenile
     
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  9. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    @HellsWindStaff - Your patience is astounding.

    I'd use it to my advantage for training....I'd be so worked up..... it would be a great workout.
     
  10. Randy Lahey

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    Im a martial artist and train quite a lot. I went from only smoking to smoking about 10% max of the time, maybe even 5%. Huge noticable difference in my lungs, especially the wheez factor. I feel and sound way better in the last half year or so I started vaping.
     
  11. debaserrrrr

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    I've been running a bit over 6 months (usually 20-30 miles/week) but I've been combusting the whole time.

    I'm excited to see how my body reacts to a vape only diet. I've got an Air coming next week.

    For some reason I sold my Extreme Q a few years back. Dumb me.
     
  12. Vaked420

    Vaked420 Well-Known Member

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    Ya I did the same while I was combusting regularly. Sold my MFLB and then a year later was like why did I do that...lol

    Report back and let us know if you notice any difference on the lungs! One thing too since you're fresh to vaping is I've noticed a lot of people who make the transition end up vaping similar amounts that they would've smoked. Like if you smoke half a gram a day, then they end up vaping .25-.5 grams still. I would try with vaping to stay at the lowest dose that gets you happy. I find that with vaping if you set yourself up for it, smaller doses work phenomenally well and put even less stress on the lungs
     
  13. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    If you smoked before training your training partners and Sensei/Master might really appreciate it too. My Sensei took me off to the side after training one night and asked me not to come to training smelling like that anymore. I didn't realize how much I reeked until then but yeah...he was right...my herb smoking breath was kickin. Traditional studio to so it was considered disrespectful too.
     
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  14. HellsWindStaff

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    It takes a lot to elicit really any emotion from me LOL both a blessing and a curse. My dad always would tell me to channel my anger/competitiveness into drive whether through a workout or through my studies or whatever.....the issue always has been that I don't get angry, competitive etc. More competitive and driven now though but it's for personal reasons, I could give a shit less if the other guy is stronger but now I WANT to be stronger/sleeker than I currently am. Self made drive IMO works better for me than outward drive.

    Tomorrow is two weeks of lifting. And I notice a definite gain in strength and tonality of muscles. Can't tell if muscles are getting bigger (assume so since stronger) or if fat is melting off because of diet/aerobic , or a combination of both but my body is much less "soft" than it was a few weeks ago. It's only been 2 weeks so I'm not expecting immediate results but it is nice to see some immediate results and know that I'm at least doing something right :lol:

    Doing 1 day back,bi,abs and any machine/exercise associated with them.

    1 day shoulders/chest/tri and any machine/exercise associated with them.

    And I do 1 day running. Either intervals or paced for a half hour or so. The other day I did a mile in 8 minutes! With two more miles at 10 minutes! And Saturday I did 3 miles at 9:0x (varied a little) per mile for 3.5 miles! The improvements in my breathing and running and everything are good motivation. I don't recall ever being able to do this! (Hell my post two weeks ago is happy about my 9:30 averages and just breaking 9 miles for 1 mile! I shaved a whole minute off that sprint)

    And I go everyday. I see people online talking about not getting results but they are doing like......3 sets a week lol. In a 7 day cycle I do each exercise, 9-12 sets of 7-10 reps per set (3-4 sets a day). If 9 or 10 is easy i up the weight. If I struggle through and 7 and can't get 8 I lower a little. BUT and this is important I feel my muscles are literally cashed out at the end of the workout. I'm trying to do each set to failure. I try to do big compound exercises at the top when I'm most fresh and then more isolation as the workout continues. I'm in and out in like 45 minutes to a hour, I rest marginally between sets.

    I was psyching myself out a bit when I first started lifting though reading about diets and whatnot. In theory it makes sense calorie surplus = gains ,calorie deficit = cuts. I had real issues though getting calorie surplus without eating like a fucking pig. Plus if I did aerobic activity compensating for that to still be in a "gain" was torture. I am eating almost static, my BMR is 1975 calories I burn at rest so I am trying to get around 1800-2300 calories, but my calories are all clean. Lots of fish and chicken and lots of whey and some carbs but I've been trying to limit my carbs to 100g or less. Most importantly is I make sure I get 170-190 grams of protein per day. Can't stress it enough I think that's critical to the gains and improvements I've made.

    In theory, this should allow me to gain lean muscle mass (slower than just straight bulk muscle + fat) and also burn fat. Seems like it's working so far but I won't know for sure for another month or two. Regardless body feels good, looks better, am stronger, etc!

    Going to start trying to add some leg lifts (don't know where) and also do deadlifts on my back day.
     
  15. duff

    duff Well worn

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    Impressive stuff @HellsWindStaff.
    Keep it up and the differences will be more dramatic.

    Watch out for the plateaus!
     
  16. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    Got get-em @HellsWindStaff!!!

    It's all about the consistency.....if you follow your routine like a long term religion you will achieve your goals. At the beginning...say the first 3 to 6 months you will make some amazing progress and then your body acclimates and you gotta find a way to trick the body a bit so it doesn't get used to the routine and limit your progress.

    Working both sides of the muscle...I think it's called supination, is key and changing up the level of force and speed can do the trick to getting past the body acclimating. It's not just about how many reps and how much weight. If you work the same muscle groups every day it's too much. Except for stomach work and some minor backside core work....that can be done daily. Muscular gains are made by destroying muscle cells through the workout and then the body rebuilds at a increasing rate but when you work the same muscle group daily you just tear the muscle down and there's no time for a decent rebuild. Even doing the same routine every other day the same way to failure can be too much for rebuilding the cells for gain.

    Supination and force/speed: When I first started with weight training I thought I could gauge progress by how many more reps and at what weight I could increase to. Later I learned to work both sides of the muscle and incorporate fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers and realized it was more important to do it right than try and beat my last efforts. As an example: Curls with the palm facing up....explode on the 'up' and try and slow the descent on the way down to cause tension on the muscle. Extend fully in each rep. Then do the curls with the palm facing down to work the other side of the muscle. You may do less reps this way but you'll work the muscle more fully.

    Some folks want to be 'bigger' and some folks want to be more 'able' and some folks want to be both. At my age I'm more interested in what I can do and not so much what I look like I can do. In other words...I stopped training for size but welcome size if it doesn't hinder my flexibility. If you're doing things like yoga or martial arts than flexibility is already part of your routine. If you're not doing yoga or something involving flexibility it should be added as a part of a warm down after strength training. Not only does it make sure those big muscles can deal with the full range of motion...it also helps with recovery.

    Protein can be a great fat reducer in the body because it takes more calories to break down protein than the calories in protein. Overdoing protein without enough carbs can cause you to become grizzled and lean. Nothing wrong with that unless it wasn't your goal.

    Keep it up and keep posting...I get charged up when I read your posts!
     
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  17. Randy Lahey

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    When I teach I never do. Not even vaping. When I go to Open Mat (basically just show up and grapple with little structure and no teaching) I will sometimes Vape some concentrates because it loosens me up. But when I have to teach intricate series in front of 30 or more students its too difficult to do without a clear mind I find...
     
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  18. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    You know how some people will find a way to justify something they want to do instead of facing that they maybe shouldn't do it.....I'm not saying that's what I did but....

    I convinced myself that getting high when being trained was justified since I'm high about 50% of the time and should be able to execute when in that mental state. Back then I was combustible so I was subjecting my fellow trainees to some really nasty heavy breathing breath.

    I absolutely agree that teaching intricate moves should be done clear headed. If I knew I was going to be teaching or being taught new forms/katas I didn't get buzzed because having to learn the moves in conjunction with the proper sequence and execution was just too much. When I was working the katas/forms on my own I would get a buzz if I wanted to and enjoyed the heck out of it. I would even bend the traditional rules and do them to music.....
     
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  19. Randy Lahey

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    Dont get me wrong, I know a lot of guys that like to train (in my case BJJ) baked. For me personally I find it burns off my buzz when I get going into high gear. Add to the pressure of teaching you have 30 sets of eyes looking at you for the next answer. Not a good time for a brainfart. To each his own!
     
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  20. mccringleberry

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    Definitely to each his own. Alot of it comes down to personality type and/or level of confidence rather than the weed itself. Since I'm a beginner I usually save the puffing for afterwards, just like I do with anything else I'm a beginner at.
    But last night my training/rolling partner told me he smoked a blunt right before coming in, and had another one waiting for him afterwards. And he just got his blue belt and he whoops my ass whether he's high or not :lol:
    My good buddy who's an instructor and just got his brown belt has been using weed daily for decades and spent his childhood wrestling, he's outgoing and has no problem smoking and running class, smoking a bowl is such an afterthought for him. Hell he would probably say it helps him when he hits the mats. Everyone loves him as a coach and a person
     
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  21. Randy Lahey

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    Yep ^ A lot of people in the BJJ community do it prior to rolling. After 24 years of doing this, I have to do it afterwards to deal with the pain....
     
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  22. HellsWindStaff

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    I used to do Taekwondo as a kid and there is a Karate studio (maybe Taekwondo I'm not 100%) right across street from my gym....maybe I'll stop in.

    @His_Highness thanks for all the info and advice! I've been trying to switch it up, sometimes more reps sometimes more sets, I vary the exercises (marginally) but I switch order up often. I've been doing less running but last week 8:0x (I forget) was psyched!

    I lost 6 lbs in 2 weeks. My caloric ntake is a deficit still but I'm getting stronger and more lean for sure. Still taking in 180g of protein a day.

    My endurance though is shitty, with lifting. But then again I may be killing myself. Did 5 sets of bench between 8-10 reps various weights (lowered if I cashed out to early) and 5 sets of overhead and 3 sets of incline. Did 4 sets of triceps after and was gassed in my arms during dips and tri pull downs. That's main reason I swap it up though. Still going to failure a lot, good though!
     
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  23. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    Did 5 sets of bench between 8-10 reps various weights (lowered if I cashed out to early) and 5 sets of overhead and 3 sets of incline. Did 4 sets of triceps after and was gassed in my arms during dips and tri pull downs......You call this 'a lack of endurance'? I don't know how much of a break you take between sets but I'd say your endurance is fine...especially in comparison to mine :tup:
     
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  24. HellsWindStaff

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    Hahaha thank you! I don't have a good baseline so I always feel I should be able to do a little more, but I rest about 45 seconds to 1:30 minute between sets, try to do them pretty quick!
     
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  25. His_Highness

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    Resting 45 seconds to 1:30 minutes is good. I have been running at least 3x per week for 17 to 18 years so my cardio account is fully funded. I usually don't take more than 30 seconds between sets. Typically that would be three to four deep, slow breaths and I'm back to a natural breathing pattern. As soon as I'm breathing normal I'm on the next set. Back when I used to combust everything it might take me 3 minutes to catch my breath and start the next set. Vaporizing has been berry berry good to me. :D;)

    Have you ever heard of the Fernando principle - "It is better to look good than to feel good" - this was my mantra when I was younger and combustible....I smoked over a pack of cigarettes a day, ate whatever I pleased and lifted weights but did no cardio. I think I looked pretty good back then but a round trip on a basketball court was a lung buster. Ah...the good old days when the parts were still new :lol:
     
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