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Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Vapinghole, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Had a question - maybe you guys can enlighten me.

    So, in terms of eating/working out, you have 3 states you can be. Cutting, where you eat less than you expend (and lose weight/fat). Bulking, where you eat more than you expend. (and gain fat/muscle) And "Recomping" where you eat at just the right level, which should burn fat and also build muscle.

    I have been trying to "lean bulk/recomp" that is to gain some weight while not gaining too much weight. I don't wanna lose my cuts! My lifts have went up the last few weeks.

    My weight though, has remained kind of static. It fluctuates between 181 and 183. Since, weight can fluctuate normally by a few lbs just be it with water or shit , it's hard to tell if I'm doing it successfully. Rather than seeing weight drop off the scale during a cut or weight pile on during a bulk. You can clearly tell when those are happening.

    Now, for beginning/novice lifters (I'm in this category), you can expect to gain about 2lbs of muscle a month, provided you eat enough surplus calories. That's not saying that if you gain 2lbs, its all purely muscle. But if you eat at a healthy surplus and gain a handful or two lbs in a month, it's pretty safe to say you gained at least a lb maybe 2 of muscle.

    What I want to know, is if I eat at a surplus, healthy surplus of 500-1000 more calories a day to ensure I'm getting enough calories, I'll know for certain I'll gain muscle. Will also gain fat. Lets say for ease of numbers, I gain 10lbs in a month on this "dirty bulk". Best case scenario is 2lbs muscle 8lbs fat and water.

    When I cut, I was able to lose 2lbs a week. So if I "bulk" and gain 10lbs in a month, and then "cut" next month and drop 8lbs, did I just gain 2lbs of muscle net? Is it feasible/possible to run short cut/bulk cycles? You don't see people really talking about this, it's either dedicated multi month cuts or multi month bulks, or a "slow lean bulk/cut".

    I ask because I don't want to really lose my cuts lol, but I would like to gain some muscle. And it's hard for me to just eat "a little" over. I don't want to bulk for months and gain a ton of fat, but I do need to bulk to gain some mass. I'm thinking it would work out well for me, tracking is kind of obnoxious. I can eat like a pig for a month, and then just go back to my 1000 deficit diet that I know works for a month and trim the excess fat.

    Hope this makes sense! I PR bench yesterday 160lbs 5 times :) getting close to bodyweight!
     
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  2. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    @HellsWindStaff - cut out the guess work and get yourself a consumer weight scale that can tell you: Measurements can include Weight, Body Fat %, Body Water %, BMR, DCI, Metabolic Age, Bone Mass, Muscle Mass, Physique Rating, and Visceral Fat Rating.

    There are many of them on the market. I have had a Tanita for a long while now so there may be better manufacturers to choose from.

    EDIT: The reason I recommend these scales is because so many things can affect your body in terms of appearance that can throw you a curve. Salt is a good example...it can cause bloat, water retention and weight gain ... none of which is permanent but could make you think you've gained more weight than you really did due to water retention (too much salt) and after running long distances and sweating the salt out (you know who you are salt lovers...when the white powder on your skin after a run is so visible) after drinking water and don't gain all the weight back because you don't retain as much water as before the run.
     
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  3. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    @His_Highness i have one and it's great for weight, but bf% is super inaccurate on mine.

    That's also kind of why I ask cause my weight has been fluctuating a few lbs so I can't tell if I'm actually "lean bulking" since any gain could maybe be attributed to extra water or poop
    that day. I'm just bouncing around between 181-183.

    I'd like to just commit to a bulk and gain weight. But don't wanna do it for months and get too much fat, so wondering if I switch off and on like that if that would be a practical or effective way.
     
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  4. chillersnov8p

    chillersnov8p Well-Known Member

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    The mirror never lies lol. I'd take pics to keep track of gains. You'll definitely see fat adding onto the stomach and hips if your going over. Fat on top of muscles can make it look like your getting bigger just like cuts tend to make myself anyways look smaller. Find someone to hit u with calipers then stick with that person on 6 month bases. Train dirty, eat clean and live in between!
     
  5. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    The stomach and hips were my clearest indication I was burning fat, slightly less cut now than they were but still looking sharp ;)

    I think I'm gonna up my calories a bit again for a month or so and see if I can average out .5+ a week. If I find I'm still maintaining, I'm gonna just fully commit to a bulk
     
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  6. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    It's really tough to gain that much muscle per week/month especially if you've been consistent and the body adapts on you. That is unless you can spend hours per day at the gym.
     
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  7. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    I'm looking for .5 a week net gain I assume it will be half muscle half fat :)
     
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  8. vapirtoo

    vapirtoo Well-Known Member

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    Wow I've been reading a few back pages here, and I'm impressed at the knowledge and passion being shared.
    As an ex college track coach, the workouts and rest phases mentioned here are pretty much on point.
    I just started jogging again with my wife, and we did an easy 1.5 mile in the park that has a cross country
    course for High schools.
    The first day I was really vaped and the run seemed easy and fun. We even ran into a friend coaching his girls and I was so glad that there was no smell or hint of herb on me.( Everyone wanted a hug!)
    Today we ran again , but this time I was not high. It was a struggle and not as enjoyable as yesterday's run.
    It felt better as we finished, but the herb definitely made my running easier on my mind.
    I was never a gym rat, and always preferred to find some activity that got my muscles toned, i.e. bike racing
    canoe racing and kung fu. To each their own, the main thing is to get out there and do it, and keep doing it.
     
  9. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Chicks man, gainz goblins - my workouts have been great when I'm not stuck in my head/anxious and decide to go.

    It's been a month an I'm up 2lbs. Idk lol. Weight is weird but I've been consistent 2lbs up for a week + so I assume it stuck. I look marginally bigger gonna keep at it.
     
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  10. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Short answer, I didn't keep at it. Idk I was kinda mopey and down, happens all the time in Fall for me, get the moody blues lol......luckily seemed to pass pretty quickly, but I ended up dropping to about 175. Lot of water weight though but my proper "cut" ended around 177-178, the other 3 lbs I consider water/glycogen/etc (wasn't eating much, wasn't drinking much, got to 178 after a day or two of eating proper again)

    Been trying to eat at bulk, just eating tons and tons. Making sure I have my protein. It's tough eating so much lol. Every lift has went up though in the 2 weeks I've been bulking.

    But hey I wanted to share some progress.

    Idk I'm having issues embedding the photos. First set are from June, then Aug, then Oct.

    https://imgur.com/a/fpyvl

    Nice to see results!
     
  11. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    @HellsWindStaff nice report!

    I'm much older than most, however I was a full blown athlete before I got sick.
    I do push-ups everyday and swim to keep from atrophy.

    Fall in CALIFORNIA is very HOT this year?

    I wish you the best so hang in there!

    I was about 170 most my adult life.
    When I got sick 119.
    Now I'm 150 and feel better.

    I was 6'0 however more like 5'11" these daz's?

    Be of awesome courage!
    Don't give up!

    JUICING help's.
     
  12. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    @HellsWindStaff - yes, nice progress. and i do like @ataxian with up to 100 pushups per day. in addition to my 30 minutes of NordicTrack most days - say, 3 days then 1 day off, depending on work and family schedule.

    i started getting serious with my Bowflex starting in June - 20 minutes at least every other day - but i am finding it very difficult to hit the right balance. if i do too much Bowflex i get a histamine response about 6 hours after my first meal - i study the hormonal system sometimes (thanks to Wikipedia - the reason the internet was invented) but it takes me a lot of time to absorb the information.

    But showing results. i'm almost 70 now and have best physique since forever. i don't want to bulk up, just be somewhere between "toned" to "built". used to be 6'3", but shrunken down to 6'0". maintaining 170 lbs regardless of what or how much i eat.

    still following the 3 nutrition rules: 1) eat real food, (2) mostly plants, (3) not too much.

    oh, and adequate amounts of cannabis vapor.
     
  13. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    @HellsWindStaff - You go Dude! Amazing progress! Don't beat yourself up about taking a break. Sometimes it's good to let the body rest up and set a baseline so you can climb the next plateau. I know when I've been training too hard because I get irritable, tired, my resting heart rate goes over 45 and if nothing else changed it could be the running and working out and I need a break for a few days to a week.

    @ataxian - Swimming is hard! When I wrestled we had a shared training day where the swim team and the wrestling team had to switch and train using the other teams approach. The swim team went first and did the running, strength training and drills with us. The swim team lasted the entire session. The next day we did the swim training regimen with them and when it was over easily a third of us had tapped out. The swim training was brutal! We never lived it down :doh:

    @Hippie Dickie - I'm hoping to be where you are in 11 years. I run every other day and strength train on the alternate days. If I can keep it up till 70 and beyond like you I'll consider it a win!

    Really wish anyone who thinks cannabis users are all couch locked, listening to Pink Floyd and clutching a bag of Cheetos could read this thread. :nod::clap::tup:
     
  14. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    @His_Highness swimming is the closes I get to surfing.
    Surfing growing up was like SOCCER is for SOUTH AMERICAN's.
    Swimming is like surfing. (sort of?) MUSIC: {HENNDRICKS; JIMMY PAGE; BONDIE and PENNY WISE and so many other's PLAYED DOWN TOWN from where I grew up}
    We ate health food and smoothies before it was cool. Fresh SQUEEZED ORANGE JUICE after SURFING = STANDARD

    CANNABIS is safer than MILK! (my culture)

    @Hippie Dickie I was surf hippy before it became an industry.
    I have a stationary bike (SPIN) 30 minutes. I cycled the ANDES between CHILE & ARGENTINA.
    My wive's family in FRANCE build's bike's and ride far distances. 26 miles was a standard work out!

    @HellsWindStaff don't give up!
     
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  15. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    Hey, I played golf today, so I think that qualifies as me being an athlete, right?:shrug: Pink Floyd and Cheetos are my own treat to myself for being so athletic so please don't paint us Cheeto-eating, Floyd fans with such a broad brush, ok?

    Jeez. :disgust:

    :peace:
     
  16. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    @Stu - I still throw Dark Side of the Moon on when I want a throw-back meditative treat, still occasionally get couch locked and while I won't eat Cheetos it's because I'm too busy woofing down something chocolate while stuck on that couch. Come to think of it....right after I eat that chocolate a nice bag of "salty" Cheetos is perfect.

    Sorry...but I'm going to have invoke the "I can say that because I'm one of the members" clause. Kinda like I can tell Jewish jokes because I am one" kind of thing.

    Guess it could have been worse...based on that finger I'm lucky I didn't find myself referenced in another favorite thread of mine :lmao:
     
  17. mccringleberry

    mccringleberry Well-Known Member

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    Well things have certainly changed for me recently, now that jiujitsu fever has swept over me and doesnt want to let go, Ive completely changed my outlook on fitness. I took over 2 months off from the weight room, which apparently I really needed. After 15 years of lifting several times a week and nary doing any other type of workout, I was feeling completely burnt out, so I stopped weight training completely to see what would happen. During that time I upped my conditioning and cardio through running, heavy bag boxing, and of course, getting my ass whupped by BJJ practitioners a few times a week along with doing the movement warm ups they do in class, which gets brutal by itself. Other than my disc problem, I feel in better shape now than I ever have. Doing only weightlifting is no longer condusive to me feeling good. Looking back on it it did more harm than good as I now have a herniated disc that irritates me every day. I still do bodyweight stuff, pushups, bar pullups, crunches, bodysquats, core strengthening exercises etc, but I will never do freeweight squats or deads ever again and Im fine with that. Ill start doing a full body lifting sesh once a week and hitting the leg press machine but thats it. Cardio and mat time is my new MO and I couldnt be happier. The only thing that sucks is that I didnt wise up to this years ago, before I fucked up my spine with heavy squats.
    Yes yes yes.
     
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  18. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    10k run > Coconut Water x Salmon teriyaki > Pineapple Express x Mighty > Manuka Honey x Grapes x Water > Rick and Morty x bed
     
  19. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    Salmon teriyaki :tup:

    But what calorie count was your day? Seems very low. And how do you have the grapes and honey?
     
  20. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    This in only the end of my day from 6pm, and also excludes rice and broccoli, a protein shake and Bio Milk. I don't count calories but be assured I eat plenty! Haha!

    After I vape I often swallow a small teaspoon of +10 Manuka honey. Then eat grapes and drink water.
     
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  21. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I'm a fan of, "FUTRERAMA however my Daughter who is a cartoonist say's', "Rick & Mortry R next"!

    She's 21 so she know's what's up!

    I had DREAM QUEEN, PHANTOM COOKIES & ROMULAND = CIVILIZED BEYOND MEASURE!

    I'M not shamed of being a REAL HIIPPY!

    ROSIN to sleep=(jack herer 32 watts)

    SOLO at 4 finish at 5


    NANO at 6.25

    EVO 1:00

    MOD 32 WATT'S
    Heater + GonG + Case + H2O Path = CIVILIZED LIVING
     
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  22. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    maybe I quoted you in other thread?? anyway, try and add a bit of ground up fresh black pepper to your honey for a cannabis boost.. if you like spicy that is... I use the Manuka honey every morning with 7 peppercorns ground fine... adds a sweet spicy start to the day and the anti inflammatory boost for the day
     
  23. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Thanks for the kind words guys :)

    The other day I was short on calories and needed to get something in me..... was late. No food in house. I did make a batch of AVB brownies though a week or two back, smashed down 3, purely for the calories. Went to sleep.

    Woke up in morning, eyes are glued shut, so groggy, why? Oh yeah, I forgot I thought that was a good idea haha
     
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  24. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    what you experienced is my recommendation to people with morning sickness... medicate late and go to sleep... when you awake the anti-nauseous properties are activated to keep the sickness at bay... i've had a few reports of it working..
     
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  25. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    I've been making steady strength gains recently :)

    Bulked a few weeks, would have liked to go more at it, but work took me out of town and didn't have time to exercise nor really eat much.

    The upside is, I shed a bit of fat being out of town. And just focused on some bodyweight stuff. Actually giving my muscles some heavy recovery helped a lot, seem even bigger now. Trying to bulk again lol. But again will be shortchanged a bit cause of holidays. Will probably just fully commit during December since November has been hectic.

    I switched up my routine a bit. On my Push days, I've switched Bench and Overhead press as my 1st exercise. So one day I do bench first, next push day I do overhead first.

    This really helped me out! I was stalled at 85lbs on OHP for ages, but I always did it after bench. Also was stalled a bit on chest press, and this helped too! I'm repping 100 now on OHP for 4 sets of 8-10

    I also had a real hard time with squats, and I switched to a warm up set, and 1 set of 20. I squatted 135 20 times the other day! Struggled to even get 4-5 a month or two ago. You'll need to breath, you just stand and breath with the weight on your back. More time under tension = better workout. Gonna run it for a few weeks

    And while my legs have shot up a bit recently, the 20 rep squat has also really helped my lower back out. Definitely stronger now.

    I looooooooove getting compliments :D buddy is so impressed he wants me to train him. Chicks keep touching my arms :brow: I got to say having never really been one to be approached at a bar, it's dope feeling desired LOL
     

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