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Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Davinci_vaporizer, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I just gave the energy a try since I was in the doldrums today with work...just couldn't get started. It actually helped me shake it off and I am being productive!

    I put about 7 drops on cotton and threw it in there. It heated up quickly and was producing flavorful vapor. What I don't know is at what temp they should be vaped at.
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  2. satyrday

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    Congratulations on the new thread! Hoping for some fresh voices and opinions once it hits the streets. If they flow freely without guns drawn that will help provide a real perspective on this. That's what this forum is about. Looking forward to it.
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  3. TheHerbalReview

    TheHerbalReview @TheHerbalReview

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    YES. I just finished up my footage last night. The Mobius footage isn't going to make the review video. I wasn't creating a good enough seal, therefore it wasn't milking properly. I have some good footage completely milking my large Silika Oiler, a Liquid Sci Double Waffle Tube, and my heady recycler just for fun. This thing IS a complete contender in regards to water filtration purposes.

    I'd like to state again that I'm not the biggest fan of high-temp vaping, and this unit makes it a lot more manageable; I set my Ascent to 420 and take about 10 rips before I dump out the dark brown AVB.
  4. toros23

    toros23 Well-Known Member

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    THR - One thing I'd like to know is how it handles re-heating the same load multiple times. For example, when I had my Pax I would usually get three sessions out of one load, taking about 4 or 5 puffs for each session. After the first session, things started tasting pretty bad and I am curious if the Ascent has this same issue since it appears to be conduction just like Pax.
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  5. TheHerbalReview

    TheHerbalReview @TheHerbalReview

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    Yeah, I fortunately have the day off... so I'll put in a full trench and a few minutes at 380, take about 4-5 hits. I'll turn it off (leaving the bud in) and see if it burns up my material.
  6. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    toros...I have done this multiple times using different temps each time. I haven't tried to vape the same load at the same temp for multiple sessions. for instance, I usually start at 195C and have a nice session for the low temp sativa type high. Then later that evening I will reheat the same load to 221C and finish it up for the high temp indica type high. It works great like this and although the taste evolves, it stays pretty good to the end.

    When I was vaping the chunks, I tried one without cotton. I opened the bowl mid session and could see conduction vapor forming and wisping away. I then took the chunk out and wrapped it in cotton. the hits were a little better and when I opened the bowl there was no vapor escaping. I think the cotton insulated the material from some of the conduction heating, increasing the relative percentage of radiation heat that is hitting the load. Keep this in mind when you know you want to reuse a load for multiple sessions...it might last longer if using the cotton as a buffer.
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  7. toros23

    toros23 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks THR and sticks!

    Sticks - That makes sense about uping the temp along the way, I forgot to mention that. Sounds promising, for sure! I was thinking about exactly what you are saying earlier, using something to keep the herb from touching the sides of the bowl - damn you gravity!!! lol Seems it would do exactly what you are seeing and keep things from cooking constantly and maybe even get more convection than conduction in the process.

    Thanks for your pioneering efforts!
  8. Slightly Medicated

    Slightly Medicated (SliM) Iron Lungs

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    I got three sessions out of one load during my trip to the ballet. Probably take about 10-20 hits a session during that trip. The First session was 410F and then I went up to 430F from there. The tastes gets progressively more done tasting, but it is not as pronounced as the PAX.
  9. TheHerbalReview

    TheHerbalReview @TheHerbalReview

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    Yeah, I can confirm... 5-6 hits at 380F felt like I didn't even make a dent in the trench. I just reheated back to 410 after letting it sit for about 10 min and it still tastes great.
  10. nigel

    nigel And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery

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    Fantastic! Now just to wait for our number to be called up! :)



    I have updated the page this morning to reflect statements made in this post, so it should be more current (minus anything that got overlooked).
  11. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    With all due respect, and I respect sticks a LOT, am I the only one here who doesn't want to put cotton in a vaporizer? I know that it's a practice that is not new, especially when it comes concentrates, but the thought of heating up cotton to vape temps and then vaping through it just kinda turns me off. Am I inhaling anything from the cotton itself? Am I losing precious cannabinoids that are being filtered by the cotton?

    Just something about it that bothers me. It seems like a bandaid for an issue that hopefully can be addressed by the manufacture in the future by an accessory that will reduce the volume of the bowl. Seems like a pretty simple thing to do. Kinda like a bowl within a bowl.

    But cotton? Naw...........I'll pass. One of the most exciting things about this vape is the full glass on glass vapor path but now you're introducing cotton in that vapor path which, in effect, makes it no longer a full on glass vapor path, eh?
  12. mewash2

    mewash2 Well-Known Member

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    I feel the same way. It mat be perfectly fine and healthy, but you won't see me doing it.
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  13. VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

    VaPeD&CoNfUsEd JoDa Glassworks Glass Blower

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    That's what I'm thinking. Oil cans with holes in the bottom or no bottom at all. Just to reduce volume for smaller loads. I'm gonna be puttin my dremel to use as soon as I have them in hand.
  14. 11eleven11

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    I'm with you lwien. I would much rather use glass beads. This device has a UVP of all an glass path, and adding cotton just doesn't jive with me.
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  15. toros23

    toros23 Well-Known Member

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    I don't really see this as an "issue". I see the cotton as a quick workaround for smaller loads. I don't think it should be put on DV to come up with a solution to this when you could just pack a full bowl and use as intended. They are going to have their hands full for a little while. If it truly is an issue, the vape community will pull together, like it always does, with a creative workaround like the one sticks presents.
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  16. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    "For me, this is not an issue"------fixed

    You may not see it as an issue for you, but I do for me, and apparently, so do some others, for them.

    I'm not suggesting that DV needs to address this right away, but it would be a relatively simple fix for those of us who like to pack small loads but don't want to introduce anything foreign into the vapor path.

    If they can make an accessory, such a a "bowl limiter", that they could sell as an option, it's just another accessory that could generate additional revenue for them..........that is, as long as there's a market for it, and marketed right, I think there would be.
  17. nigel

    nigel And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery

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    As sticks has commented previously, cotton is an established medium, used in plenty of other situations.

    That being said, like the glass bead idea as a spacer.

    But I think the cotton also acts as a diffuser of sorts, which presumably forces the air to more evenly distribute. I think sticks tests demonstrate this. The glass beads would only offer "paths of least resistance" around the glass object, and I suspect would not cook as evenly.

    Just a thought.
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  18. 11eleven11

    11eleven11 Well-Known Member

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    The issue is that it's not as efficient as it could be with smaller loads -- as the product currently is with no improvised user changes. It's best with bigger bowls, which many of us don't need. However I'm happy if glass beads work. A smaller bowl to put into the Ascent would be a terrific accessory.

    Edit -- Okay I'm getting too involved here with not much new to add. I think I'll sit at 111 posts for a while until more action unfolds. :D
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  19. QuicksilveR

    QuicksilveR New Member

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    Anyway to see a picture of the bowl and how much cotton is used?
  20. Slightly Medicated

    Slightly Medicated (SliM) Iron Lungs

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    I don't feel a need to use cotton with smaller loads. I thought the results were acceptable if you packed the contents down so their was less air between the material. I found .1-.15 to work just fine without the need of any modification to the design. Personally, I prefer around .25-.3 a session anyway so the bowl size is perfect. If the oven was any smaller and it would be a flaw in my book. I would have to do multiple sessions to get long lasting relief. When you are out and about loading and completing two sessions to get relief can be quite a pain in itself.

    I have had one wispy session the entire time. I was away from home and did not have a grinder. I broke a very small amount up with my fingers and dropped in the oven. The load was small enough and there was enough air that I did not get overly thick vapor. I did get medicated though. In that instance though I feel like I was not using the device properly. So the fault is in the user and not the device.

    Every other session I have had has been quite enjoyable and produced high quality vapor. The density of course changes on the temperate and draw speed, but in terms of the experience I feel like this portable offers a very wide range of usage styles and needs.

    Can't wait for this thing to get in to other users hands... Then I can find out what everyone else thinks of this beast. As the great Geordi La Forge would say: "But, you don't have to take my word for it." It's a Vaping Rainbow!

  21. toros23

    toros23 Well-Known Member

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    I just think it is odd people are calling this an issue when they have never tried it. Sticks is experimenting, he is not calling this an issue. Or did I miss that? Even odder is that these same people think the mfg should address it. If they wanted you to only use smaller loads, don't you think they would have designed it with a smaller bowl? They didn't randomly pick the size, you know.
  22. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Achhhh.........toros. They obviously designed it to appeal the largest percentage of the market and I would think that that piece of the pie desires a portable vaporizer that will hold enough in the bowl so that it doesn't need to be refilled when your out and about. If I were DV, I would've designed it the exact same way.

    But......there is a smaller segment of the market that prefer very small loads, and when I mean small, I mean something like around .05gr to .075gr. so for those that desire this, what in the hell would be wrong if they offered up an optional accessory to accomplish this? Not now, of course, but sometime in the near future.
  23. nigel

    nigel And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery

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    FWIW, On the cotton issue:

    http://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/ware/fasern/baumwoll/baumwoll.htm#temperatur

    Ignition is listed as 407°C (765°F if I did the math right).

    [There is a statement about Autoignition for "oily cotton" at 120°C (248°F), but I suspect that has more to do with uncured cottonseed oil in the material, rather than "pour a bunch of random oil on dried cotton."]
  24. VAPORIZER22

    VAPORIZER22 Well-Known Member

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    A normal amount for me to medicate with is around .1 to .15, I would not mind too much using cotton if that was the only solution for smaller amounts but would prefer not to use it if possible. Like, lwein, I would prefer not to have anything added to the vapor path. Hopefully a solution for smaller loads sans cotton will be developed.

    Saw Slim's post, makes me more hopefull that loads .1 to .15 will not require cotton or any other modifications for small loads.
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  25. Slightly Medicated

    Slightly Medicated (SliM) Iron Lungs

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    Again, I don't think this produces wispy hits with small loads.

    This is .03 grams in packed in the bottom of the device. I had it set to 410F. No modifications to the bowl, no cotton... just the device.

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