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Arizer Air II

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by jakeattack77, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    well, i think there is a "heat of vaporization" effect with fresh trichomes in the bowl - which cools the heater more than it does later when the trichomes are mostly empty.
     
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  2. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Makes sense to me, especially since I always use abv to try to get vapes to combust...no better way than a tight abv pack!
     
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  3. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I could say the same thing......."why did you say this (about batteries and stuff) after quoting me on an entirely different topic (color of ABV in Stick's testing)?".

    I'm going to go on the assumption you blew the quote part and still want to know about the cell (not really a battery if there's only one) in Air and the two similar cells that make the battery (two or more working together, like one cannon is a field piece, two or more working together is an alterilly battery).

    The key is there are two cells in Solos, one in Air. Therefore, since the ovens and job (vaping a stem) are about the same Solo gets twice as many sessions with it's two as Air with it's one. Make sense?

    For Solo it's maybe 8 sessions on the OG against 12 on the Solo II with it's 3400mAh battery against the 2200mAh in Solo I :
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    How a cell (or battery) is charged doesn't matter, really. At least not here the point is Solo has twice as much as Air? The Air I uses an 'odball' 18650 (single source) I suspect Air II uses the same NCR18650Bs used in Solo II?

    Did I hit your question or completely misunderstand the question?

    OF
     
  4. c76man

    c76man In search of the best terps and smoothest vapor

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    I couldn’t resist the puffitup Black Friday deal, so I picked me up an Air II. I’m only 3 stems in, but I’m super impressed so far.

    Heat up time is decent enough. Vapor quality is more than acceptable. The improved draw resistance has me excited for Arizer vapes again. My OG Solo doesn’t see much use these days due to the draw resistance; it will be nice to put some custom glass stems back to not rotation. I forgot how simple the maintenance is for the Solo/Air family.

    Thanks to all who shared their Air II experiences to date. You helped me make a nice addition to the collection.
     
  5. justjof

    justjof New Member

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    I'll probably cop on 4/20, but I'll just lurk this thread for now.

    My first Air going on almost 2 years and still hits like a champ, so no real need to upgrade
     
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  6. Fat Freddy

    Fat Freddy FUCK CANCER TOO !

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    Shoot me a PM when the AIR2 is more reasonably priced around $150.00....until then....Zzzzzzzzzz.....



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  7. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    This is not necessarily a review...more so my day to day usage experience.

    I have had the Air2 now for a week or so and have been using the Air1.5 since July this year. ( I am referring to my air1 as a 1.5 because it has the newer oven hole design change).

    I held off for awhile getting the Air2.... had a small windfall recently and took the plunge so I could see the difference of this new Air. I was mainly interested to see the difference in draw resistance between the new and old design. My usage of the arizer's are always with water, so keep that in mind with my opinions here.



    I am going to go against the grain here in one way with my opinion on one aspect. The Draw Resistance!

    I have a problem with it.....its too light. Yes it is too little draw resistance. I say this for a couple reasons, the most being that the way it draws clean air in gives it more air flow velocity through the chamber. This is a minor irritant as it makes the flower/load fly around in the chamber somewhat. I always get particles all over the oven top and black plastic cover. It is not a big amount...but enough to have to blow it out every time after I take the stem/gong out. Using a adapter with slots cut in the end will make this situation even worse.

    The other aspect as others have already mentioned, is the slightly less dense vapor you get because of more incoming air into the heating/drawing process. This does not really bother me too much, except I have to draw a few seconds more per intake compared to the Air1. Sometimes I do not want to do that as my lungs are tired being older.

    One thing I do to compensate as much as possible with this new very free draw resistance.....is to use my few gongs/adapters that have the highest draw resistance. The adapters I use with the Air2 are the stock ones with no slits in the top. I also use domed screens in the adapters which will give more draw resistance as they clog up some. This helps, but I wish it had more draw resistance even using as I am.

    If the Air2 had half the difference in draw resistance it has now in comparison to the Air1.....I would be more happy. That said, I am not sure what I would feel if I was using a stock stem direct drawing with out water. My opinions might be different....but I never use the Air's without going through water.



    For the other aspects of using the Air2....I am super happy compared to using the Air1. I like being able to set heat temps at 1 degree changes. Now I can experiment and get a better heat control to effects use scenarios. I will enjoy testing this aspect of being able to accentuate the different strains I have.

    Being able to set the session time is awesome. At first I set it to max 15 min session. Great....now I could surf the net and drift off and get the few more draws off the load to get it finished while I have time for a few longer breaks between draws. This was great and I was happy, but then I found that setting the time limit to 6 minutes was great too. I can do say half a load and then come back to it later when I wanted. With my top shelf supply...this is a nice ability.

    Setting the sound level and dimer are good, though not a big deal for me. But the ability to set the on time is awesome! I have big hands so I can easily hold the 2 buttons down with my thumb....then having it start up in 2 seconds is a great feature I enjoy in comparison to the Air1.

    I really enjoy the digital temp display for one major aspect. I would often not notice when the Air1 was up to temp and ready. Now with the digital display of temps.....It keeps your eyes on it longer or more because it is such a precise indicator of when it will be ready to go. Just helps you time/pace the wait so much better even though it is slightly quicker in heat up time. How many times have you turned on your solo/air 1's and saw that it probably heated up and was ready 5 mins ago...but you missed it...lol

    I will just keep both my Air1 and Air2. I enjoy them both for what they can do and how they work. The difference between the two may not be a lot to some, but could be big for others. This one is a hard one to answer that question....."should I update?". Hopefully my quick review/opinions will help you answer that better than what you have been reading so far.
     
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  8. HippieHitman

    HippieHitman HotBoxin' My Wheelchair

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    You answer my question :p Thanks bro Do you think solo could ever use micro usb charger or would it take to long?
     
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  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Solo or Air? We are on an Air Forum and it does make a difference.

    Air basically is USB since it's a single 18650 and charges to 4.2 Volts max the 5 Volts from the USB is enough 'barefoot'. To make that work with Solo, where there are two such cells in series for a total of 8.4 Volts, we're going to have to deal with the lower voltage somehow. This can be done by first converting it to something higher like the 12 Volts used normally first.

    That has a price, beyond simply paying for more electronics, Solo II charges at 1.3 Amps at 12 Volts (15.6 Watts). To get that 15 Watts we'll need 15 Watts from the USB, plus some 'tax' since we're never 100% efficient at conversions. Something like 85% is much more realistic. So we need to add 15% more on our 15.6 Watts, 18 Watts total. Divided by 5 Volts from the USB and we need 3.6 Amps to charge 'normally'.

    Only USBs can't do that, more like one Amp. It's not that it can't be done, in fact I've got a 'mod' (power supply for serious e-cigs) that does just that, but it's very slow. And human nature being what it is, Solo II owners will take advantage of their extra capacity by using the 50% or so to go 12 rather than 8 sessions between charges? But then the recharge time will be 50% longer..... No free lunches.

    If you absolutely must do this (charge Solo from a USB port), PM me, and we'll see what we can cobble up?

    OF
     
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  10. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    What about using the Air 2 without a screen to help with any drag or resistance? I’ve been using my Solo 2 without a screen since I bought it. I really do prefer it that way. You just use a more coarse grind.

    I have the Air OG. I always liked it but always used the Solo OG more.
     
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  11. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    Carol....I actually want my Air2 to have more draw resistance...not less. I found the draw resistance to be too hard for my ultimate liking on the Air1. So with this new version I held off until there were reports about the draw resistance in comparison.

    After some time, many seemed to imply it was only a little bit of improvement. So I was expecting just that.....but to me the Air2 has much much less draw resistance. To me the difference is a lot between the two. But I only use though water and adapter, so things could be different if using with stock direct stems.
     
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  12. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Hey guys...when I got my Air 2 I think it had the battery already installed but with a protection tab in there. Can any of you confirm or dis-confirm? Thanks!
     
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  13. narrowsparrow

    narrowsparrow Well-Known Member

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    Just got my Air 2 today. I set it at 300F, and I could never get a draw. Does it take a long time to heat up? Went back to my old Air till I figure this out.

    It arrived set at Centigrade. No instructions about how to switch to Fahrenheit. I am aged, so I'm not of the generation that says, "Let's punch that button to see what happens." Somehow I got lucky and stumbled into Fahrenheit. But no draw after about three minutes.
     
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  14. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    @narrowsparrow idk any vape that puts out vapor at 300 degrees.... have had one at 330 but 300 seems way to low for vapor to be produced. Are you sure you have the vape at the right temp? Try 360-400. Does the Og air have a 300 degree setting? 350 seems to be the first setting for the air.
     
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  15. narrowsparrow

    narrowsparrow Well-Known Member

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    Zow237 -- Thanks for your reply. I think what I need to know is if the temps on the Air 1 can be correlated to the Air2. The latter is more specific, I know. But, you know, more or less. Like the blue light on the Air1= what temp on the Air2? And so on. The yellow light -- what temp was it? I really can't smoke real hot stuff cuz it is hell on a 71-year-old mouth with Sjogren's!

    I'll try a higher temp. Right now my stem is in the Air1, so maybe later? I'll report back.
     
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  16. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    Level 1 blue = 356F
    Level 2 white = 374F
    Level 3 green = 392F
    Level 4 orange = 401F
    Level 5 red = 410F

    Hope that helps ya.
     
  17. narrowsparrow

    narrowsparrow Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, not-so-rude boy! That helps a lot. I am not heating this thing up enough. No wonder I can't get a good draw. Also got a straw bubbler! Gonna have some fun tonight!
     
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  18. metaknight

    metaknight I dab. A lot.

    I think you'll have a good time if you have a bit of water filtration, not sure how well those work but watched videos on them, they seem neat.

    I like 400F-420F with my Air II, although I do like hotter temperatures in general. I used to use the orange or green setting a lot with my OG Air so that'll give you an idea of my preference.
     
  19. sickmanfraud

    sickmanfraud Well-Known Member

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    Just found this link. The add does say the quality is lacking, but for our own @ataxian and others of us who are embarrassed to keep buying new stems $3 each is too good to be true.

    I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM THIS VENDOR SO I CAN NOT SPEAK TO THEIR QUALITY.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-LOW-QUA...be-Stem-Drying-Tubes-Curved-Bent/332377420323

    I have bought items (first quality) from their Amazon store and I was satisfied, but prob apples to oranges.
     
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  20. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Hard to get too high an expectation going for a product advertised as "LOW QUALITY'......more so 'cuz it's all caps.

    From what I can see, the plastic topped ones from the same guy look suspiciously like the counterfeit stems that came with my counterfeit Air. Makes sense, since the real ones don't come from China.

    I'm not sure what might happen to the upper seal over time, be a shame to wreck it?

    I don't break stems so am happy paying full price with PIU or PV when the time comes, but if you're an @ataxian in training with a limited budget........

    OF
     
  21. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    Few months back I purchased a couple gong adapters for my air from DHGate. They are actually pretty good compared to stock ones. I was not at all unhappy with their build or performance in any way. I have never used the stems from direct draw...but the only way I could break one of these gong's for the Air is to drop it on tile when cleaning it out.

    OF thanks for the tons of info you put out for all of us to learn from......I find your posts to be of such use and appreciate your time and efforts here. :tup:
     
  22. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Thank you very much. That's exactly why I do it, of course, hoping to help our fellow Members along (as do so many around here). Only fair to pass it on you know, so many others helped me get here.

    Thanks again for the kind words, it's gratifying to know my efforts to spell stuff right and stuff are appreciated. One thing sure, here, on this Forum, we're in good company indeed.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
  23. gnajhar

    gnajhar Active Member

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    Hey y'all! I am almost 100% sure on getting an Air2, I have only one doubt. Since it uses 18650 batteries, is it ok for me to use third-part batteries like LG-HG2 with a wall charger like Nitecore I2 or I4? (If I can use them, anyone has any better recommendations for batteries and chargers or are these two nice options?) I live in Brazil so it is not easy to get original electronic parts from Arizer official store. Thanks a lot.
     
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  24. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    To quibble a bit with technical terms, single 18650s, working alone, are cells. That same as we define cells in Biology or other areas. Batteries, are one or more cells working together, like 'Batteries' of cannons in the Army (one is a field piece, two or more an artillery battery.

    So, from a technical POV Air doesn't have a battery (even though everyone you know thinks that's the right name).

    There are some safety concerns with swapping 18650s, in fact in Air I many otherwise excellent 18650s won't even fit mechanically (some too long, some too big in diameter) causing intermittent service if any at all (at one point I was able to shut the Air off by setting it down roughly, the battery would bounce a bit and it would shut off), not exactly a feature you'd want?

    Any 18650 that fits and functions will also charge in the Air, no need for an external charger. I'd stick with the factory cell, the Panasonic NCR18650B for that reason (safety and function problems with some 18650s), they are common enough you should be able to find them. For instance from another poster:
    https://www.imrbatteries.com/panasonic-ncr18650b-18650-3400mah-4-8a-flat-top-battery/

    Another option is to buy a few spares with your vape. Then charge them to about 3/4 of full charge and store them at that charge in a cool place (say under 40C, where you live?). They should still have at least 80% of their original capacity ten years from now. Probably more if you're careful. Just pull one out of storage, charge it up, and start enjoying it when the original one goes flat? Cheap insurance, IMO, you should have a spare anyway (I have one spare to support 2 Airs)

    OF
     
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  25. gnajhar

    gnajhar Active Member

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    Thank you so much for the quick and good answer. Just to clarify, the Panasonic NCR18650B is the original battery that comes with the Air 2? I have found it on a reseller, thanks a lot.
     
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