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Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by TrueNorthStar, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. blimeydude

    blimeydude New Member

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    Here is the video with the cup coil I was referring to and that the glass or titanium insert nail could be put into:
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    Yes, the Mesh RDA would give you a ton more room than other post rda's and I believe this extra space is absolutely needed to make this work. I don't think the vertical atomizer will have any issues either.

    I emailed Vandy Vape for the diameter of the mesh RDA and will update on if we can marry the sourcevapes bubbler with the rda from Vandy Vape. If we could that would be clutch.

    For me, the advantage over the usual Source Vape setup is the cost. I could just use regular 316 wire instead of buying their proprietary atomizer. You're not locked in to buying from them. Also, yes, wrapping the coil around will dramatically heatup the insert quicker.

    I saw someone post somewhere about buying those vaporsource inserts (or something similar), but I can't for the love of me figure out where that was.
     
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  2. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Cool video, thanks! Believe there's a post early in this thread with a bucket build that looks similar. Have to try it.
     
  3. Willeh

    Willeh Well-Known Member

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    I switched the the Rafale X for build deck size, since i found one for 10$. Waaay better than evil monk, but it did not fit my Pico so I needed to get a new battery too.

    A quick update on what I think is the best coil. It is the simplest to make, I made it and installed it in less than 5 minutes with a coil jig. What you people want to be making is a 4mm, 12-20 wrap, contact-coil made with 20 gauge SS316L wire. It has no nooks or crannies like a complex twisted wire build would, but has the same or more surface area and mass because the thick wire. Nothing leaks, drips, or spits, and you can finish globs in one breath. Clocks in at .43Ω with 16 wraps so it could be smaller or bigger depending on battery life and how big of a hit you need.

    As long as you have wound it really tight, the oil just sits inside the cylinder when it vapes. I feel like this heats the oil more evenly than claptons or twisted wires do, and self cleans more fully with a dry burn. There is a lot less space for gunk to get caught up in the coil, and a glow then dip in water gets it looking almost like new. The Rafale X is perfect for this build because the airflow comes from the openings of the coil. This pushes the oil up and to the middle of the coil as you draw. Just put ur blobs inside the coil and are set. This 16 wrap can easily vape 80mg in one hit with no leak. You could fit up to a 20 wrap in the rafale x easily to vape over a .1 of oil in one dab. This is a killer set up at 30-40 watts.

    Note how clean the deck below is, this is after running probably a half gram through it since the last cleaning. Because the oil vaporizes inside a long cylinder there is virtually no splatter on any of the mouthpiece or deck. All in the lungs!
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    also a properly loaded coil up close
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    high quality SS316l 20 guage wire I used: https://www.kidneypuncher.com/ss316l-wire-30ft-spool/

    coil jig from china to make making the coil super ez: https://www.fasttech.com/products/3...master-v3-6-in-1-e-cigarette-wire-coil-winder

    Rafale X RDA for from china, occasionally sells cheaper from domestic vendors though: https://www.fasttech.com/product/4648401-authentic-uwell-rafale-x-rda-rebuildable-dripping

    V-Two mini battery, as the Pico didn't fit the Rafale X
    https://www.fasttech.com/product/4871204-authentic-joyetech-evic-vtwo-mini-75w-tc-vw-apv
     
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  4. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    A fine reason to try the Transformer in post-less mode!

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    Loaded a few shatter shards, fired it up - and there's no trace of them! Little vapor, but an impressive hit. (There's clearly a trace of something, but this is the before shot. ;))
     
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  5. Willeh

    Willeh Well-Known Member

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    That's what I'm saying accept! The low gauge high diameter contact coils really work magic!

    The 20 wrap, 20-gauge 316L Behemoth coil, for a real "one hitter-quitter". Once I got this nicely pinched with ceramic tweezers i'll be having one crazy dab!
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  6. Likes2vape

    Likes2vape Well-Known Member

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    What do you guys think is the best temp control mode out right now? Or do they all work good now? I have an IPv4 and it sucks for tc mode. I hate the taste of metal from wattage mode and stopped using my mod for dabs. I noticed @2clicker said he doesn't get the metal taste anymore how about anyone else using tc? I have a bunch of ti wire I bought to use in tc mode is ti still good or ss better? Let's hear it!!!
     
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  7. Willeh

    Willeh Well-Known Member

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    I only use wattage mode, and use a dialed in setting. I also adjust my draw speed and how long I hold the button for a little more manual temperature control. I find if you set it to a wattage that just barely glows after 10-15 seconds, it will vape your entire dab very nicely with a medium draw speed in just 5 seconds or so. I've only used ss316L sandvik wire and have never tasted any metal. Maybe it's my palette but if I hit it with no oil in it even glowing hot I taste nothing. Steel shouldn't be melting or off gassing unless its glowing white hot. I wouldn't recommend titanium wire due to TiO2 concerns and dry-burning between hits is too convenient. A 580*f quartz banger will taste better than an ecig in wattage, but there's still good flavor and big efficient rips on the go to be had.

    In my experience, TC mode is a lot of mucking around for a less dense hit that doesn't necessarily taste better and leaves more residue in the coil. Because of ramp time on a low gauge wire, it usually vapes the oil before it gets 'too hot' and would burn it anyway.
     
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  8. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    An excuse to show off the pretty new mod!

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    CSMNT atop Athena' DNA75 26650 offering. Compact and luxurious. Upgraded from SX-Mini due to dry-coil bug (or feature). No complaints. @Willeh's build was a quick blast, but @2clicker's build worked well in TC. Get that metal taste all the time with the same Kidney Puncher wire, so mainly dab off a SiC nail.
     
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  9. Willeh

    Willeh Well-Known Member

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    I think the thermal conductivity, porousness, and temperature of material affect flavor more than anything actually coming out of the metal for what its worth. E-nail heater coils are made stainless steel. And most people that are using SiC and Sapphire inserts are doing it on some sort of titanium tube getting heated by a stainless steel coil. The tube and coil are just as hot as our wire in this. I don't doubt that heating the metal too hot could produce flavors, and some people have super refined palettes and don't even cut their food with steel knives. But are all your beloved Sic and sapphire nails not being heated by a piece of steel at least as hot as the steel wires in our vapes? I would dab on a quartz or sapphire nail for absolute flavor, as I feel these surfaces do allow you to transfer a lower heat to the oil more efficiently. However I find the convenience of not needing to qtip, no timing or heat up, and no condensation loss to water all very big advantages over a enail.
     
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  10. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    That titanium tube gunks up too. Surprised no fancy heat-sinks. Still, don't get that metal taste with SiC or quartz nails, for whatever reason. This is especially flavorless concentrate, so it may be more noticeable. Might just need tweaking.

    Haven't tried sapphire. SiC isn't nearly as expensive and it's practically unbreakable.
     
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  11. Likes2vape

    Likes2vape Well-Known Member

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    I definitely can taste metal off a vw mod coil. They get super hot super fast. Some of the best hitting dabs have come from my mod but I can't deal with a shitty metallic taste in my mouth afterwards and obviously I'm not the only one.

    Do you still get the metal taste in tc mode?
     
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  12. Accept

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    Haven't done enough tests, but it probably doesn't matter much. The flavor's not bad at all. When the mod and the rig are next to each other, usually reach for the rig.
     
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  13. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    NOT ONE, BUT TWO EXCITING NEW BUILDS!!

    No. 1: the banger build beta - just a big vertical coil around a quartz cup - in the Transformer RDA.

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    Working, with issues.

    Air-holes are too low. Need to find an atomizer with top airflow. This might reduce (or increase, who knows?) splatter in the top.

    Concentrate pools in the bottom of the cup. A smaller wrap or two at the base, stove-top style might help.

    Maybe ribbon wire...

    WDYT, @blimeydude?

    No. 2: a hybrid build on the EHPro Fusion kit.

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    @Filhote's idea (with one difference). This kit controls each coil separately, so two completely different builds are possible. On the left, this one has 100% VG nic juice (wicked from a tank). On the right, shatter on FC2000.

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    Atop the matching mod. Note the dual displays and controllers. Each 18650 battery is controlled by its own chip. So... vape your favorite nic juice - then add canna! Or... vape your concentrate neat, or add VG for sweetness and clouds. The possibilities are endless. :nod:
     
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  14. Filhote

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    As the Fusion 2-1 are available... i read this thread again and smile. The same ideas...a year before.
    I upgrade the Fusion tank with 4 tiny meshrolls for better liquid transort. ;)

    My setup:
    Tank 1: PG 10:1 with marrocan hash concentrate, ss316L 24ga, 10 wraps at 3mm --> 0.5 ohm, 260°C, 35 Watt
    Tank 2: VG-PG zero nic juice with flavor (70:30 <-- for good viscosity and transport), Ni80 3-core fused clapton 4 wraps at 3 mm --> 0.16 ohm, 50 Watt.


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  15. Accept

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    Please - do tell about the mesh rolls! This kit has become an instant favorite. It's like concentrate dissolved in pure VG - which we all know is impossible. Also, love the tank for straight nic juice (first time RTA user).

    Your image isn't visible in your post.
     
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  16. Filhote

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    This Clip describe it pretty good
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  17. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Cool, thanks - gotta try it!

    Only put this thing down long enough to install a beastly coil for the juice. It's my new best friend. :ko:
     
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  18. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    The slow boat from FastTech came in bringing all but forgotten treasures.

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    Vandy Vapes Pulse with a freestyle build inspired by its postless deck and air-tubes. A true one-hitter quitter. At 240C, vaped a glob with no metal taste. Went back for more, but it was all gone. :spliff:
     
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  19. Willeh

    Willeh Well-Known Member

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    @Accept hey man would you mind linking me a where you got that tiny quartz cup? Is it a source vapes replacement part? I'm interested in trying a banger build. While my steel contact coil is still kicking ass I'd like to try a no wire touching oil build.
     
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  20. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    You're right, it's a Source part. Got it on eBay.

    Played around some more with a banger build on a top airflow RDA. Got pretty heavily medicated on a tiny dab after several pleasant draws.

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    Still, it may be an intrinsically flawed design. On the left is a dual stove-top, vertical coil build. On the right, a vertical coil with an extra couple of wraps on the bottom instead. Both worked and didn't notice an improvement with the dual coil build (which used too much power causing the battery to get hot). Both took some time to heat the cup initially. Can't get enough power to heat it quickly. The wire gets red hot, and it's in the air path, which can't be good, even with Sandvik SS316L. You also need to be careful to keep it vertical - a bent tip helps.

    Source also sells a ceramic cup heating element (Terra 2) with encapsulated wires on the bottom and sides. That might be a better approach, especially if it heats quickly.
     
  21. Accept

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    Inception.:bowdown:

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    Can say with no ego, this is finest build. Coil within coil on one wire.

    Frustrated with trying to get @2clicker-type builds firing evenly, recalled this Rip Tripper's Video:

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    Rewatching it, why not try with favorite quad core parallel fused clapton wire (316L SS, 28gx4/36g)?:science:

    Less difficult than expected. Transformer in this configuration seemed most natural mount, but more conventional mounting should be possible. Lots of shorts to fix. TC worked until loaded.:(

    IMO, best performance yet - on first build. Haven't been this high since, well, the other night. After vaping about 0.5 grams in the Trinity tank and resting in a deep and dreamless slumber.:borg:

    What shall we call it?:sherlock: How about the Little Finger?
     
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  22. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    :horse:

    Can't resist, such pretty - and effective - coils.

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    That's right - three concentric coils on one wire. Even better than two coil version above. Mounts in a large velocity-style deck. (There's room for one more.) Works in TC! :bowdown:

    It's easy to load chunks in the space between the middle and outer coils. The outer coil doesn't get very hot. Haven't observed, but imagine concentrate loosens and flows toward the hot inner core, vaporizing instantly, leaving no trace. Delivers remarkably concentrated hits. Very economical. Nothing like it, IME.

    Maybe a video tutorial? No idea how to make one.
     
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