Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

Oogendoogan said:

I abuse my Milaana daily and I am a very heavy user, I mean I don't consider it that heavy but compared to others in this state I am. 2 grams a day most days.. And a lot of that will be with my Milaana most days. I mean I have other vapes and don't only use the Milaana but I did only use it for about a month after I got it so that's a lot of every day use.

I think that since this thing has a glass joint, if your gonna be running it through water, you gotta be careful, you gotta be careful if your not using water.. I mean for example people tell others to spin their stem in this thread, so they can avoid stirring. I agree with this and do it myself. But do you guys really just spin the stem?? That sounds like joint lock and cracks waiting to happen. I lift up and make sure the joints aren't locked at all and then spin. Also when using on a male to make with water, you may spin the Milaana around the stem to avoid stirring.. Same principle of you are not lifting up a bit and being gentle I feel like the glass will crack or break..

Seventh floor is one company I can use as an example here as they don't cover their glass parts with warranty and they have some of the same issues.. Like go ahead and put a GG SSV wand in the heater cover and let it lock, then go ahead and try to twist it around. That shit will break and they will just have you buy another cover and wand at like 45$ last time I checked.. RBT could just be charging for glass breaks if they were a larger company. I mean the whole idea of this vape having an 18mm glass heater is awesome because of adaptablity but from the beginning of this I knew that if that joint locked on anything at all I could easily crack my Milaana. Honestly it's cool that Ryan gave out a lifetime warranty on the glass.

I am sorry to see people's glass breaking here but no offense to anyone when I say this.. If you have had more than 1 units glass joint break and there are plenty of people that haven't had one issue.. Maybe it has less to do with the units design and more to do with the way you use and perhaps maybe abuse the glass joint in there a little.. I mean it's the same thing with an EVO, some people have had a few bamboo replacements because they pull the HT off fast and break it and some have had them for years and never replaced the glass on the inside that also has an 18mm joint (it's called glass bamboo) i locked the joint on my Evo last night, if I wasn't patient and careful that could have easily been a broken glass bamboo and a 75$ fix through VXL. At lest RBT is fixing these for free.

I think any vape that has glass will always be ranked lower in durability. I mean even my beloved SSV which was a tank sitting on my table never to be lost was made breakable by its glass parts and I personally went through breaking a GG heater cover and wand from joint lock and it took 7 days for seventh floor to get me a new wand and cover for a discount and it was still over 40$. I am personally happy with the Mi and hope that glass doesn't ever crack but if it does I will just send it in.. And be more careful in the future because joint lock is avoidable and fixable.

I may be 100% wrong here so please share your stories and maybe none of these cracks and breaks are coming from locking the joint in anyway. Please let me know if that's the case, I am not trying to solve everyone's problem just trying to figure out why some people seem to be having issues and others are so happy.

Cheers FC
Stay vaped

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Any time I suggest to rotate stem I always made sure to say lift and rotate. I agree joint lock can become a huge hassle and problem if your not careful. I have found the freezer to be a very good cure for joints locking.
And I think you do bring up very good points and examples and couldn't agree more with you.
Peace


Edit: that freezer thing was a FC suggestion that I have no idea where I read it first. It's not somthing I could would or should take credit for. But it does work wonders no less.

I must to admit how this vape kick me hard!

And I refined my technique.... smoother hits if I pay enough attention how to hit it!

It certainly works right off the bat. But after a little time with it, Milaana gets better...

Just tried a bud kief bud stem that produced lots of vapor and extra cannabinoid effect. Would recommend. Can't wait to try wax or oil. If anybody gets the chance, live resin extracts are about as good as it gets.

for all those who think my glass handling is off, yeah, it mighta been at first, but once I learned how to "rock" to break the seal, or just plain wait til it cools, I DID NOT STRESS the tapered connection. After my first experience, I became hyper aware of being ever so gentle. Regardless, glass cracked. I know RBT will replace, and come tuesday, I'll request same.

I have no idea why #2 cracked, but it wasn't from stressing the connection.

I am not that upset as my back up is here, and it still works. But once I send in, I'm down to one, but could probably get Mi 1 to function. Pandora will be in the spotlight, hope she doesn't crack under the pressure, pun intended.

RBT, a request, interchangeable 18f. Please I love this vape too much to be out of service.

Hi all,

Long time no see!

Can anyone here post or direct me toward pics of the internals of this vape? I am very interested to see the airpath and heater on this one!

Also have any of you ever considered putting an ELB in an 18mm male jointed rig's GonG and then attaching the milaana - sans load (because the load is in the ELB) - to said GonG? Could this allow for complete removal of the screen in the milaana? It would probably necessitate more heat from the unit to get vapor (convective heating of more a distant load takes longer of course) but the milaana seems to have this juice in no short supply!

Could this be jerry rigged into a portable nearly-all convection EVO type device with pre-packed portable loads in ELBs for added convenience?

IME the ELB would also be able to remove the need for stirring. I find that the narrower the load is packed, the more even the cook - especially with the ELB's SS mesh to contribute some extra heat around the sides of the load!

Airpath is: SS mesh intake, wood, glass, portion of copper wires, SS heater, mica insulator, glass, SS screen, glass on glass, your material of choice, SS screen, glass, optional water and more glass, lungs.

KeroZen said:

Airpath is: SS mesh intake, wood, glass, portion of copper wires, SS heater, mica insulator, glass, SS screen, glass on glass, your material of choice, SS screen, glass, optional water and more glass, lungs.

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Thanks for the info bro

Is everything under the heater isolated (no copper wires in airpath?). Sounds like the mica might be used for this purpose. Does anyone find that this mica decomposes/flakes over time at all?

I am quite interested in converting one of these to a dedicated portable bubble hash vape using ELB's and some S & B concentrate pads (by the way, this is INCREDIBLE with the evo). I pretty much only consume full melt these days, I wanna put my 5 star material in this little sucker for never-ending portable bowls, saving the 6 star for the sapphire halo!

I really wanna be sure of exactly where all the materials are though as I have made my own custom vapes for this purpose with great success and know exactly what I want/need. Is it possible to get someone to take a picture looking down into the heater with the SS screen removed?

nickzzzx said:

Just tried a bud kief bud stem that produced lots of vapor and extra cannabinoid effect. Would recommend. Can't wait to try wax or oil. If anybody gets the chance, live resin extracts are about as good as it gets.

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Did a full melt hash the last two days all day. Sour diesel. Very good performer. Just hit two dabs of sunset sherbet

After waiting so long to get the vape, I certainly am impatient for the curing process.

So today was my day off and every once in a while I wandered to the garage and hit a unit down the glass fitting/cold air intake with a heat gun.

The gun was set so that after a while I could not hold the glass in my finger any longer, but the direct heat is bearable. I held the unit upside down and pushed in the glass with my finger while heating then just let it cool on the table upright.

The smell of glue has gone from easily noticeable, to hardly much whatsoever.
Mostly you get wood notes.

More of this and I'm somewhat confident it will make the glue a more or less non-issue in the long run.

This is how the glue is used @herbivore21

The bummer here is that it actually is on the screen of the cold air intake, meaning you draw air in past it (at least a tiny bit)


They went pretty generous on the glue with this one, there a few bubbles and a big slap of it compared to other units.




While I'm at it posting pics here's the fix I did to make the batter fit ideally, just a nut.


Finally here is the setup I'm testing this out with this evening, and the Ideal setup that i got this vape for in the first place (with proper GonG in the future.)

Grasshopper back from warranty #7, 66% new parts, running strong, so I can finally compare properly (and subjectively, of course).

Flavor/Temp:
Milaana has better flavor from first hit to last, and even w/ the short stem has smoother, more comfortable vapor at all temps. It doesn't take much glass to cool vapor, and I've used both vapes dry thru short (current favorite w/ Milaana) and long stems, even SSV wand (overkill but favorite w/ Grasshopper) and Crafty Cooling Unit (too cool!), but the flavor is part of each heater's signature, and the Grasshopper's tiny powerful heater has more of a flash-heat flavor vs. the Milaana's richer, smoother roasting flavor.

Ease-of-use:
Grasshopper remains dead simple from a set/click/pull perspective, easier to pre-pack. Both have the same number of parts to manage when loading in the field, a little easier to suck herb into the Milaana stem than tumble into the Grasshopper. Milaana feels quicker and, after a couple months as my DD, the intuitive manual control is way easier than the hopper's set (need good light to see tick marks)/click (loud and limited ergonomics)/stare at light/pull/click off/keep pulling.

Efficiency/Effects:
About the same efficiency, easier for me to get even color AVB w/ the hopper, but both deliver from <.05g bowls. Hopper effects, especially pulling monster dry hits on hopper thru SSV wand, are strong and quick, <1.5min for 4-5 pulls to cache a bowl to an even light brown. The hopper's targeted temps are great for low-temp sessions. Milaana effects come on a bit quicker, ~1min for 4 pulls to usually less even AVB that feels fully extracted - here it would make sense to xfer to the Grasshopper and try to pull vapor at 4.5, but I'm just not inclined to cause the Milaana effects just hit my sweet spot, it's just that log-vape signature, slow-roasted un-coffee.

Battery Life/Charging:
New-parts performance on hopper is it's best ever for me, a little more than 3 1/2 bowls, from batteries that charge in 50min. I like 4 bowls on yellow (HE02?) batteries before <3hr charge. Charge everything w/ Nitecore D4 - just a couple batteries needed for most any day so I leave the chargers at home, but the internal charging and USB and 50min charge time does give you more options out in the world w/ the Grasshopper, like charging off a power pack when away from house & car.

Don't feel like getting too into the fit/finish thing, both vapes are early-generation designs and easy to criticize, really. Look forward to seeing where they both go, current concern is what existing vape suits my use with the effects I'm looking for.

While I can imagine lots of reasons someone would choose the Grasshopper - it is the game-changing vape that freed me forever from sessioning - the Milaana has replaced it as my DD, to the point where I'm ready to just own one device again. Already sold my FW3, will be selling my hopper next (cleaning it now) and running just the Milaana for awhile (well, you know, till the FW4 comes out, and Milaana design develops a bit further so I can justify buying a second unit...).

Oh yeah, and a note on epoxy smell: Didn't have any smell w/ mine, but typically 2-part epoxy has a main endothermic cure, then a post-cure that can happen just through exposure to air over time (days or weeks), or be actively completed faster w/ heat or UV. Hard to speak to the safety issue, but yeah, any off-gassing is not ideal and should be handled as part of manufacturing. In my work I often just leave castings in dry air (or sunlight for urethanes) for a week or two and the smell is gone. if you have any glue smells, just waiting w/ your Milaana unboxed and exposed to dry air would be the path of least exposure. Less patient? A heat gun or hair dryer (didn't RBT mention oven post-curing?) will clear it up as fast as turning on and drawing air through the unit, and with less exposure, if you're worried.

Had my milaana a while now so feel i can give a proper review.

It had a faint glue smell when i first got it, but a pleasant one, which reminded me of way back when in woodwork class at school. If it was still there by the time the battery charged, i didn't notice it, and certainly have never tasted/smelled anything in use.

I got a brown lg battery and the 4 pack that i ordered with my Zion, also brown lg. I get 5- 6 bowls per battery usually at 3.8v with 3.7v the lowest. I feel i could squeeze out a couple more if i push it, especially if I knew at the start i had to conserve battery.

That's the thing with this vape, as has been mentioned many times, it is versatile, and this includes how hard you wanna push the battery. No holds barred give it all you got Scotty, or use all that resdiual heat, conserve the power.

I quickly moved the screen closer to the heater, which i felt gave better control in my unit, and set up my second shorty stem basket style. So have spent about a month switching between stock and basket style.

For the first few days i constantly scorched the load, but never combusted. I really had to get used to holding back. There is a lot of power but the vapor is so smooth for such a short stem that it wasn't until i learned to start feathering the button as soon as i sensed vapor, rather than other vapes like the Vaporgenie or Fw3 where you want to let the vapor build a bit after you first sense it and then back off.

Once i got this, it's plain sailing and i find it is a bit like riding a Sine wave. Hold button for a couple of seconds, slowly inhale until you sense vapor, release button for a second and the vapor subtly subsides, hit button, up the wave, release button slide down the other side...Ride this wave as long as you like...and sometimes throw caution to the wind, hold that button, ramp up draw speed and go big wave surfing...

I prefer basket screen style. I find it vapes more evenly, unloads more easily, is easier to clean and subjectively gives better effects (i think an ever so slight hint of conduction from the screen which i like).

I would call stock screen almost pure convection, as evidenced by the fact i almost always find a ring of virtually unvaped herb around the edge of the glass and on the bottom so i always think it's unevenly vaped, but as soon as i stir, there is almost no unvaped material. I think the hot air is not touching a very thin layer, and the glass is getting no where near hot enough to vape it.

My unit gets barely warm to the touch from a full bowl, including the female joint if i do a quick bowl.

I already posted about build quality with photos earlier in the thread so won't go into that but as expected, so no problems there.

Having no battery level indicator means you have to pay attention to number of loads and battery maintenance, but as long as you always have at least 1 battery fully charged then no problem.

I am very happy with this vape which now does the heavy lifting around here as i hoped it would.



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@herbivore21 good to see you back. Hope all is well with you and yours. Without violating NDA, the heater is stainless steel with high surface area. I'm sure there is some wire to connect it on the cooler end of the air intake. The mica is used to keep the heater from shorting on itself, which would act to reduce the surface area. The mica used goes through a process to stabilize it for our purposes ( NDA in effect and I really don't know the exact process). There is also wood, glass, the stainless intake screen, and the glass stem with SS screen. I find this to be a very "clean" tasting vape to be sure. My screen solution for the Zion stems uses 2 basket screens (facing away from each other) with a Hercules Mouthpiece screen between. Then a piece of SS Hercules coil in the basket screen facing outward.

Vapenvy said:

Had my milaana a while now so feel i can give a proper review.

It had a faint glue smell when i first got it, but a pleasant one, which reminded me of way back when in woodwork class at school. If it was still there by the time the battery charged, i didn't notice it, and certainly have never tasted/smelled anything in use.

I got a brown lg battery and the 4 pack that i ordered with my Zion, also brown lg. I get 5- 6 bowls per battery usually at 3.8v with 3.7v the lowest. I feel i could squeeze out a couple more if i push it, especially if I knew at the start i had to conserve battery.

That's the thing with this vape, as has been mentioned many times, it is versatile, and this includes how hard you wanna push the battery. No holds barred give it all you got scotty, or use all that resdiual heat, conserve the power.

I quickly moved the screen closer to the heater, which i felt gave better control in my unit, and set up my second shorty stem basket style. So about a month switching between stock and basket style.

For the first few days i costantly scorched the load, but never combusted. I really had to get used to holding back. There is a lot of power but the vapor is so smooth for such a short stem that it wasn't until i learned to sart feathering as soon as i sensed vapor, rather than other vapes like the vaporgenie or fw3 where you want to let the vapor build a bit after you first sense it and then back off.

Once i got this, plain sailing and i find it is a bit like riding a sine wave. Hold button for a couple of seconds, slowly inhale until you sense vapor, release button for about a second and the vapor subtly subsides, hit button, up the wave, release button slide down the other side...Ride this wave as long as you like.

I prefer basket screen style. I find it vapes more evenly, unloads more easily, is easier to clean and subjectively gives better effects (i think an ever so slight hint of conduction from the screen which i like). I would call stock screen almost pure convection, as evidenced by the fact i almost always find a ring of virtually unvaped herb around the edge of the glass and on the bottom so i always think it's unevenly vaped, but as soon as i stir, there is almost no unvaped material. I think the hot air is not touching a very thin layer, and the glass is getting no where near hot enough to vape it.

My unit gets barely warm to the touch from a full bowl, including the female joint if i do a quick bowl.

I already posted about build quality with photos earlier in the thread so won't go into that but no problems there.

Having no battery level indicator means you have to pay attention to number of loads and battery maintenance, but as long as you always have at least 1 battery fully charged then no problem.

I am very happy with this vape which now does the heavy lifting around here as i hoped it would.

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Very nice review and exactly what I've found with draw technique and button depression. However, I've been going stock screen only, and my unit will get really hot if I do a back to back session, rather quickly. If I take a hit, put down for a few, and hit again, it never gets beyond warm, but if I hit, hit, hit, hit, hit... gets pretty hot, as in the maple body, not so much the glass. If I take out the stem, put it down for a few minutes, cool again. I'm wondering if your screen config would add a drop of conduction, this making oven work a drop less to get vapor released, keeping things hotter up top, and cooler below. Make sense?

Bravesst said:

Very nice review and exactly what I've found with draw technique and button depression. However, I've been going stock screen only, and my unit will get really hot if I do a back to back session, rather quickly. If I take a hit, put down for a few, and hit again, it never gets beyond warm, but if I hit, hit, hit, hit, hit... gets pretty hot, as in the maple body, not so much the glass. If I take out the stem, put it down for a few minutes, cool again. I'm wondering if your screen config would add a drop of conduction, this making oven work a drop less to get vapor released, keeping things hotter up top, and cooler below. Make sense?

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I have never needed to hit it twice in a row. One does me for a little while......., but yeah I'm sure it can get warm. It doesn't seem to get as warm as many other vapes over a single session for me.

Yeah. That makes sense, that a little conduction kick from the basket screen means a little less hot air required.

Edit- I have the basket right at the end of the glass so the herbs are only touching the SS screen, no glass.

herbivore21 said:

Hi all,

Long time no see!

Can anyone here post or direct me toward pics of the internals of this vape? I am very interested to see the airpath and heater on this one!

Also have any of you ever considered putting an ELB in an 18mm male jointed rig's GonG and then attaching the milaana - sans load (because the load is in the ELB) - to said GonG? Could this allow for complete removal of the screen in the milaana? It would probably necessitate more heat from the unit to get vapor (convective heating of more a distant load takes longer of course) but the milaana seems to have this juice in no short supply!

Could this be jerry rigged into a portable nearly-all convection EVO type device with pre-packed portable loads in ELBs for added convenience?

IME the ELB would also be able to remove the need for stirring. I find that the narrower the load is packed, the more even the cook - especially with the ELB's SS mesh to contribute some extra heat around the sides of the load!

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herbivore21 said:

Thanks for the info bro

Is everything under the heater isolated (no copper wires in airpath?). Sounds like the mica might be used for this purpose. Does anyone find that this mica decomposes/flakes over time at all?

I am quite interested in converting one of these to a dedicated portable bubble hash vape using ELB's and some S & B concentrate pads (by the way, this is INCREDIBLE with the evo). I pretty much only consume full melt these days, I wanna put my 5 star material in this little sucker for never-ending portable bowls, saving the 6 star for the sapphire halo!

I really wanna be sure of exactly where all the materials are though as I have made my own custom vapes for this purpose with great success and know exactly what I want/need. Is it possible to get someone to take a picture looking down into the heater with the SS screen removed?

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herbivore21 said:

Thanks for the info bro!

Damn, yeah that probably rules me out of this one I'd say. My requirements are for heavy duty usage at much higher temps than most will use this for (full melt requires a little more heat and more heavy draws than other dabs). I do not wanna chance that with any kind of adhesive in the airpath - especially with high concentrations of boiled terp (many of which act as a solvent) vapor whizzing past it in high quantities.

I wouldn't personally trust any adhesive in that usage scenario long term (also remember that even if adhesive is below the heater and would not normally contact vapor in normal non-inverted use; when the device is inverted, the vapor will tend to go up and out the air intake holes, rather than through your rig when you are not inhaling). Of course, you guys can make your own decision about whether you are comfortable with this for your own needs

Damn it! Seems like I'm gonna have to design my own portable now or do more extensive modifications.

BTW everyone, I am not company/product bashing here at all, my needs are pretty niche at this stage lol - but I'm not compromising on them.

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The adhesive is outside of the vapor path in a proper working Milaana (and really the air path too since it flows in from the top where there is no epoxy on that side, but could be some for fresh air to pass over like in Elevape but it should be inert, then air swirls right through the ss heater with mica insulator--no flaking as it is laser cut and pre baked for any offgas risk--then up into your load through steel screens in glass tubes), it is in an area that does not see high heat and has been tested to be sure that is true, it is a medical grade epoxy and is entirely safe without any taste taint. The design has been discussed many times here with many photos, I suggest skimmer through the thread so we don't all have to keep repeating ourselves. Also re ELBs has been discussed, the RBT screens are great imo and I prefer them to ELBs actually anyway... Many have been using high heat and dabs without any issue at all too

nondarb said:

Yeah, it is. In fact I'm fairly certain an epoxy is what seats the screen(s) in place.. That or magic, I've actually been meaning to ask everyone what they thought of that... At any rate the wiring and glue ect is not isolated from the air/vapor path. Granted there's no solder or kaptan tape or anything particularly janky looking in there I figured it should be known.

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Mine was/is glued, had I realized it was of any importance I'd of snapped a picture of the female glass while removed. I do not believe there is a mechanical solution to the issue either save custom female glass fittings with a stop for the screen. Swaging them in there would surely fail under heat due to expansion and contraction, they aren't going to simply stay put in a slick glass tube with a consistent ID without a little help...

My unit also had a glue smell, but it dissipated pretty quickly.

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As I haven't heard back from cs yet regarding international warranty questions I thought I would open up my Milaana to check and what I first thought was a white ring of glue holding the screens in place I now think is textured like frosted glass to provide friction





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Dabs all day did me dirty! Hit some Bugatti og two bowls and felt nothing haha. That really screws your tolerance quick if your hitting back to back dabs

Before I said it looked like there was something white, like a ring of white glue above the heater screen. After looking at it a couple more times, I'm not sure if it's glue or roughed up glass that looks like glue....annoying that I can't tell even after tapping it down there a few times with a couple tools....

That being said, I powered through the glue taste the past couple days. Maybe I'm crazy for doing so. But I'm impressed with how the Milaana works.

My biggest complaints and biggest worry about the Milaana are the build quality issues and the customer service combined - namely the use of glue. I feel like that is the main improvement this unit needs. I emailed RBT about it and they never responded. It makes me sad to see this one issue possibly overshadowing the potential success of this vape. It's a great vape with great potential, but with the build quality issues, and customer service- it's scaring away customers. Just looking at my unit I predict that there will be an issue with parts ungluing eventually....Something that could have been avoided with a few screws and a washer or some type of overlay piece for the female glass....

My other complaint is that I can only get 2 - 3 bowls max with one full battery. Maybe that's my unrefined technique. I was hoping for at least 5 bowls. Some people have claimed 8 bowls...

Other than those issues, the Milaana works amazingly well through water and dry (surprisingly manageable). Seems very much like a Lotus as far as heatup time except with a button/silence. Maybe a bit faster. I didn't realize I would have to draw very slow and hold the button for at least 10 seconds to get it started. I expected it would be faster - some people reported it being faster just 5 seconds. Maybe it's technique....

bounce5 said:

Before I said it looked like there was something white, like a ring of white glue above the heater screen. After looking at it a couple more times, I'm not sure if it's glue or roughed up glass that looks like glue....annoying that I can't tell even after tapping it down there a few times with a couple tools....

That being said, I powered through the glue taste the past couple days. Maybe I'm crazy for doing so. But I'm impressed with how the Milaana works.

My biggest complaints and biggest worry about the Milaana are the build quality issues and the customer service combined - namely the use of glue. I feel like that is the main improvement this unit needs. I emailed RBT about it and they never responded. It makes me sad to see this one issue possibly overshadowing the potential success of this vape. It's a great vape with great potential, but with the build quality issues, and customer service- it's scaring away customers. Just looking at my unit I predict that there will be an issue with parts ungluing eventually....Something that could have been avoided with a few screws and a washer or some type of overlay piece for the female glass....

My other complaint is that I can only get 2 - 3 bowls max with one full battery. Maybe that's my unrefined technique. I was hoping for at least 5 bowls. Some people have claimed 8 bowls...

Other than those issues, the Milaana works amazingly well through water and dry (surprisingly manageable). Seems very much like a Lotus as far as heatup time except with a button/silence. Maybe a bit faster. I didn't realize I would have to draw very slow and hold the button for at least 10 seconds to get it started. I expected it would be faster - some people reported it being faster just 5 seconds. Maybe it's technique....

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Given the slower/lower heat, and number of bowls, sounds like your battery is the culprit. Might be worth trying a fresh new one, especially the brown LGs or Sonys it seems...

It's kind of funny to me how some are worried about the durability, that's how I am with my Hoppers, whereas I consider the Milaana to be a fucking tank. Different strokes aye?

Shit Snacks said:

Given the slower/lower heat, and number of bowls, sounds like your battery is the culprit. Might be worth trying a fresh new one, especially the brown LGs or Sonys it seems...

It's kind of funny to me how some are worried about the durability, that's how I am with my Hoppers, whereas I consider the Milaana to be a fucking tank. Different strokes aye?

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I think I'll have to try one of those brown LG's or Sony's then. I have 2 batteries I've been using- both 3.7V 2500mAh - one is the yellow one sent from RBT and the other a red one that was meant for the Focus sold by Puffitup.

Not comparing it to any other unit - How is the Milaana a tank when if you drop it on it's head it could crack the female glass and the game would be over ?- at least temporarily. If I drop it some other way the glued on bottom could crack off. I agree that if it was secured with screws and no glass parts exposed - it would be a fucking tank. Which is why it's a shame that it isn't that way to begin with...

Shannock said:

As I haven't heard back from cs yet regarding international warranty questions I thought I would open up my Milaana to check and what I first thought was a white ring of glue holding the screens in place I now think is textured like frosted glass to provide friction

Edit as I finally worked out the pics!

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Damnit, now I wanna go back in to see if mines the same!

bounce5 said:

I think I'll have to try one of those brown LG's or Sony's then. I have 2 batteries I've been using- both 3.7V 2500mAh - one is the yellow one sent from RBT and the other a red one that was meant for the Focus sold by Puffitup.

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Definitely give the HG2's a go, my unit isnt as quick as some others say but the HG2's give it a nice little boost. I can burn shit if I ride the button too long , that would be quite the feat with my HE4's. I like the little boost, VTC4's seem to preform a bit better than the HE4's as well but lag behind its brown skinned brother.

nondarb said:

Damnit, now I wanna go back in to see if mines the same!


Definitely give the HG2's a go, my unit isnt as quick as some others say but the HG2's give it a nice little boost. I can burn shit if I ride the button too long , that would be quite the feat with my HE4's. I like the little boost, VTC4's seem to preform a bit better than the HE4's as well but lag behind its brown skinned brother.

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Would you guys trust to buy your 18650's from ebay? I'm seeing two HG2's for $13.74 free shiping or four for $23.50 free shipping. Are there better places to buy batteries?

nondarb said:

Damnit, now I wanna go back in to see if mines the same!


Definitely give the HG2's a go, my unit isnt as quick as some others say but the HG2's give it a nice little boost. I can burn shit if I ride the button too long , that would be quite the feat with my HE4's. I like the little boost, VTC4's seem to preform a bit better than the HE4's as well but lag behind its brown skinned brother.

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I believe mine was from the first run but I was pleasantly surprised that it doesn't seem to be glue.

You have repaired your glass yourself I believe, was the mica piece held in a specific place in the heater? Mine is loose so I can't see if it is in the correct place when putting the glass back so I have been reluctant to try myself but it would be better than having to send back!

bounce5 said:

I think I'll have to try one of those brown LG's or Sony's then. I have 2 batteries I've been using- both 3.7V 2500mAh - one is the yellow one sent from RBT and the other a red one that was meant for the Focus sold by Puffitup.

Not comparing it to any other unit - How is the Milaana a tank when if you drop it on it's head it could crack the female glass and the game would be over ?- at least temporarily. If I drop it some other way the glued on bottom could crack off. I agree that if it was secured with screws and no glass parts exposed - it would be a fucking tank. Which is why it's a shame that it isn't that way to begin with...

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Never dropped mine like that, always a risk with any vape that uses glass (though my Zion had dropped bad without breaking glass) so that should be accounted for but I always prefer glass despite this. I speak more of the simple tech and build, used properly ie no dropping) there is very little that can go wrong in my experience (it can also be submerged in water and still work). I think of Daisy and a log in a similar way compared to other more complex vapes I have owned, even when made of tougher materials. I consider all to be very durable vapes with very high vapor quality and exceptional pure convection performance

Battery wise if not properly cared for they can degrade quicker or not work at their full potential. I would get the brown LGs and be sure to give em a full long charge for the first time. Ofcourse technique is also a factor, I'd say keep at it and you'll get there with better efficiency. I get so many bowls off a brown LG in my hotter/faster Milaana with very little preheat if any, so I am not even bothering to count anymore... places to buy have been oosted here quite a few times if you search