The Arizer Air

UnshavenFish · May 19, 2015

vapen00b said:
Thanks man! Im really interested in this whole domed screen thing I played a bit with it as well..
I'd be thankful if you could describe it with additional pictures. Seem to have question marks over my head when it comes to dome up/down coz I don't know from what perspective... Do you hold the stem up/down etc,.
My main thingy is, I have never filled the bowl that much. So if I just take some tiny bits of load it's most likely to drop into the heating chamber - what I try to avoid by all means. So I kinda cage it with a domed screen, either bucket style (Mp held with herb chamber up, then herbs in it, then domed screen inserted like a bucket on top) or domed style (like above, but screen inserted the other way round.. But this is really fiddly, especially when you have to adjust it or when to get it out.. ).
How do you fill your stem with or without certain screens to keep that little amount of herb from falling into the heater? Greatly appreciate your suggestions!

P.s. Of course I gonna post pics of what I described above if someone's interested in! Don't wanna preach water but vape without bubbler ... Erm, no, that was different..

As @bluenavey00 said one screen is enough really, for me two would just add more messing and less vaping, to keep your load from falling into oven even with a small load just hold your Air upside down (and yes maybe look a little silly :mental:

) for the first hit or two and the trics will melt holding your load together, the only time anything has fallen into my oven was with a small load in the micro bubbler stem that I didn't hit upside down first.

And don't worry about dome up vs dome down if using one screen it can only go two ways so best to try both and see which works best for you :tup:

and with one screen it only has to be removed when cleaning the stem (even then it could stay in place)

GetLeft · May 19, 2015

Thanks for that, @UnshavenFish. I can tell that the ss screen you're using in that photo has less fine a mesh than the brass screens I have laying around, so once I get the ss screens there will be an automatic improvement in draw. Do you make those yourself? The brass screen dome I configured is far from ideal, since creases on the sides and lets material slip down to the holes.

OF · May 19, 2015

vapen00b said:
I'd be thankful if you could describe it with additional pictures. Seem to have question marks over my head when it comes to dome up/down coz I don't know from what perspective... Do you hold the stem up/down etc,.

How do you fill your stem with or without certain screens to keep that little amount of herb from falling into the heater? Greatly appreciate your suggestions!

This is what I'd term 'dome up'. I look at it as you'd do so inserting the screen:

I find with control of cure and grind I can put some herb in my palm and very gently push it in with a finger. By experience I can get it 'packed' in (without compacting too much) so that it's just below flush.

But IMO there's entirely too my angst put in on the 'dropping into the oven' bit. Where's the sin in that? That metal is at the magic temperature. And while there was a modest chance of a spec of herb slipping down one of the holes in Solo (where it doesn't really cause much problem) the change in design for the Air oven pretty much eliminates that. If a spec does go down the one of the four holes it's going to fall out the bottom of the assembly soon after. You're welcome to obsess about whatever you want of course, but I honestly don't think it's a deal breaker.

GetLeft said:
Thanks for that, @UnshavenFish. I can tell that the ss screen you're using in that photo has less fine a mesh than the brass screens I have laying around, so once I get the ss screens there will be an automatic improvement in draw.

I too find that bigger mesh screens work better. They go longer before fouling and block a smaller percentage of the vapor path.

And my advice is to avoid brass. For many there's a taste issue, some fear the idea of traces of lead (IMO possible with 'cheap, off shore' screens). I strongly favor SS since it's very easy to 'clean' by flaming. Hold the screen by the edge with tweezers, hemostats or a vintage roach clip you no longer use and hit it with a torch type lighter. Hit it hard, nuke it 'till it glows. The cool fast and the ash can be brushed (or even blown) off and the screen put back in service in less than a minute.

One other thought, 'dome up' (even if a very modest dome) keeps the screen from blocking the four holes and gives a much wider 'working area' for longer times between cleanings. Much longer.

OF

Ashish · May 19, 2015

I just realised that I haven't done a review of the Arizer Air, so here is one in the form of haiku:

I set it to ~~green~~ blue,
I inhale thick, tasty clouds.
Whoa. Now I'm quite high.

UnshavenFish · May 19, 2015

GetLeft said:
Do you make those yourself?

Yes

just the standard ss screens, I would get some of the already domed ones from eBay (would save a lot of time and effort) but I have soooo many of these lying around.

There are many ways to make dome/basket screens, I use my pick from my SSV the glass end (anything rounded will work, ideally just narrower than the id of the air stem) then it's just a case of going slow (too fast and you will bend the screen giving creases nice and slow will curve the screen keeping shape better) and shape the screen around whatever is used (something like a glass marble would work to get a good shape) then there will be four bits to trim around the edge to get it to sit flat (like the ones in @OF pic) also the bigger the screen you use the more chance of creases, the ones I used were just bigger than the od of the air stem.

bluenavey00 · May 19, 2015

So I have heard the 8650 battery can be pretty dangerous when shorts out.

I know some people store them in battery boxes but I was looking for something a little smaller.

I was thinking a rubber cap like the rubber stem caps but larger for the battery.

Does anyone know anything like this or any other safe storage solutions for when you want to put just one extra battery in your pocket or vape case.

Thanks

photobooth · May 19, 2015

bluenavey00 said:
So I have heard the 8650 battery can be pretty dangerous when shorts out.

I know some people store them in battery boxes but I was looking for something a little smaller.

I was thinking a rubber cap like the rubber stem caps but larger for the battery.

Does anyone know anything like this or any other safe storage solutions for when you want to put just one extra battery in your pocket or vape case.

Thanks

I would suggest searching "18650 battery case/holder" on Amazon or Ebay, plenty of options to choose from.
Here is the first result that came up when I searched Amazon, I have no personal experience with them:
http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Waterproof-Storage-Holder-organizer/dp/B00IJB3E82

snamuh · May 19, 2015

I was planning on just putting my extra batteries in the side sleeves of the case that came with the arizer... bad idea?

bluenavey00 · May 19, 2015

photobooth said:
I would suggest searching "18650 battery case/holder" on Amazon or Ebay, plenty of options to choose from.
Here is the first result that came up when I searched Amazon, I have no personal experience with them:
http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Waterproof-Storage-Holder-organizer/dp/B00IJB3E82

Cheers for the advice but looking for something smaller. Even smaller than a single 18650 case. Was hoping someone had heard of some rubber caps.

snamuh said:
I was planning on just putting my extra batteries in the side sleeves of the case that came with the arizer... bad idea?

No idea from a safety standpoint but man the case that comes with the vape is a load of crap. Do you know about the ego cases that have been talked about lots on this thread?

OF · May 19, 2015

bluenavey00 said:
I was thinking a rubber cap like the rubber stem caps but larger for the battery.

Does anyone know anything like this or any other safe storage solutions for when you want to put just one extra battery in your pocket or vape case.

Vinyl caps come in 'all sizes':

http://www.mcmaster.com/#vinyl-caps/=x94ooh

You probably want straight round caps, to cover the 18mm OD.

OF

GetLeft · May 19, 2015

Election day here in PA. Wonder how the local polemic will be resolved, or not resolved as it were. I'm planning a nice session with the AA prior to taking in the results : )

UnshavenFish · May 19, 2015

bluenavey00 said:
So I have heard the 8650 battery can be pretty dangerous when shorts out.

I know some people store them in battery boxes but I was looking for something a little smaller.

I was thinking a rubber cap like the rubber stem caps but larger for the battery.

Does anyone know anything like this or any other safe storage solutions for when you want to put just one extra battery in your pocket or vape case.

Thanks

How about something like this for heavy protection, others are available just check size,
http://www.franticelix.co.uk/outdoo...+listing+ads&gclid=COiyorb7zsUCFQXJtAod1BUABQ
I'm not recommending the site as never used them but just as a reference.

For something really small just get some small balloons/water bombs and cut to size, all your after doing is isolating the + and - ends of the battery (even just the + end would work), also unless you have metal in your pocket (keys/coins etc) you could just pocket one as is.

If I take a single cell out with me I use a cardboard box (see profile pic) that lots of my others came in (perfect size for a single cell) you could try a local e-cig shop ask if they have any spare you could have.

On a safety note remember to check the wrap on your batteries especially around the + end as a damaged wrap can make the battery unsafe a lot easier, we are using IMR battery's with the air so if things do go wrong it won't be as bad as some other options arizer could have chosen, less chance of flames/boom but still not good if it happens.

Knxwledge · May 20, 2015

About to hit the purchase button! FM Pro or Arizer Air?

WoodVillain · May 20, 2015

Id say Air since i dont know what a FM Pro is :lol:

vapen00b · May 20, 2015

Thanks for all your feedback on domed screens!

Tried out a flattened domed - there's even a little bowl in it now - and it worked pretty great. Was quite interesting, hits were more dense and the load was done quicker (on green with WT, smaller hits). Super tasty.
Usually I prefer blue/white (which gives a longer session coz of the lower temp,right?) - but it was in the evening, so I'd go for more relaxation. Really liked that setup! :tup:

But I'm gonna check out the regular domed version as well, see what happens :science:

I love this place!

Pipes · May 20, 2015

Knxwledge said:
About to hit the purchase button! FM Pro or Arizer Air?

The FM I have is only good for 2-3 hits before losing taste and likes lots of herb to do so.
The AA is a better choice and spares your weed.
Not to mention the added yucky taste the FM inserts. IMO, comes from the Kaptan tape it uses to the hold the wrapped heater around the oven.
AA for sure, hands down.

Seasoned Senior · May 20, 2015

Have only had my AA for a short time, and it has quickly become my favorite battery-operated vape.

snamuh · May 20, 2015

bluenavey00 said:
Cheers for the advice but looking for something smaller. Even smaller than a single 18650 case. Was hoping someone had heard of some rubber caps.

No idea from a safety standpoint but man the case that comes with the vape is a load of crap. Do you know about the ego cases that have been talked about lots on this thread?

I kinda like the case it came with. The velcro sucks though. It keeps my pockets free.

Knxwledge · May 20, 2015

Pipes said:
The FM I have is only good for 2-3 hits before losing taste and likes lots of herb to do so.
The AA is a better choice and spares your weed.
Not to mention the added yucky taste the FM inserts. IMO, comes from the Kaptan tape it uses to the hold the wrapped heater around the oven.
AA for sure, hands down.

Just purchased the Air! Can't wait to get it. Do I need anything else for it? screens maybe?
I will probably purchase an extra battery later on.

OF · May 20, 2015

Knxwledge said:
Just purchased the Air! Can't wait to get it. Do I need anything else for it? screens maybe?
I will probably purchase an extra battery later on.

Congrats, good times ahead. Welcome to the Forum.

You're good to go out of the box. The battery will be partially charged (hopefully), not full, so 'overcharge' it one time only before first use for optimum battery performance. Just let it sit on the charger an 'extra' four hours or so. Doing so one time, while staring at your new toy, can give you longer life in both terms (slightly more capacity per charge and/or slightly longer service life before replacement). Not as important with Air as with one using more expensive harder to change batteries of course. Not doing so only impacts that one battery (unless you make a habit of it....) and only a bit (say up to 10%??). But at least charge it the rest of the way first?

You can vape whole, intact buds. If I were you, I'd start that way. Screens and other refinements can come later, get to know it first? Don't pack it too hard, and don't obsess over touching metal at the bottom. Make vapor and explore heats, then grind/packing. By then you'll be ready to explore screens.

Flat ones are OK, some guys are happy there. Try them, easy and cheap, but they tend to foul very fast since only a small fraction (the part over the holes) 'works'. If you're careful, you can rotate them some and cheat on replacement. But in any event, it's sooner than domed screens.

To clean you can ISO soak, detergent wash or flame. I flame because it's fastest and most complete. Hold it by the edge in a roach clip or something and flame the rest with your torch type lighter until it glows for a few seconds then brush (or even blow) the ash off.

Domed screens vary from very modest (my favorite size is 5/8 inch) for just enough dome to lift the screen off the floor so the entire surface 'works'. They tend to stay put well between changes.

The champ of domed screens IMO was 'invented' by our very own Sinclue. The man himself posted here (complete with link to get 'em):
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-96#post-730350

You can buy smaller or larger quantities from the seller, poke around some. Very well made, highly recommended. This is what they look like:

As far as batteries go, a second is nice to have for sure. Probably the best (and surely the safest) bet is the factory unit. One of the Forum Stalwarts also sells them, unfortunately he's in Canada and shipping can be a deal breaker. The unfortunate part is that 'not completely charged' part. A year or so, fully charged (but never 'used') can kill one in some cases (heat, bad luck.....). That's why they come to you 'part charged' they can be stored years at 60 to 70% with nearly trivial (say 10%) loss in capacity when 'activated and called to duty'. So don't keep your backup fully charged unless you're needing to. I fully charge mine, then run one session on it, using a bit over 20% of that charge. I put it in the case a couple months back, but I'm sure there's at least 3 sessions in the can as it were.

Best wishes with your new vape. You made a great buying choice, no doubt about it, enjoy it.

OF

GetLeft · May 20, 2015

Knxwledge said:
Just purchased the Air! Can't wait to get it. Do I need anything else for it? screens maybe?
I will probably purchase an extra battery later on.

Get ready for the fun! This past month has been one of my favorites, thanks to the quality time I've invested in my AA. This forum has been a hoot, also!

Thevaped1 · May 20, 2015

Have any of u guys ordered from vapesandparts from ebay. I just ordered an arizer air from him for a heck of a price. Wondering if any of u guys have ordered from him and know if he sells legitimate stuff..Ebay

Knxwledge · May 20, 2015

OF said:
Congrats, good times ahead. Welcome to the Forum.

You're good to go out of the box. The battery will be partially charged (hopefully), not full, so 'overcharge' it one time only before first use for optimum battery performance. Just let it sit on the charger an 'extra' four hours or so. Doing so one time, while staring at your new toy, can give you longer life in both terms (slightly more capacity per charge and/or slightly longer service life before replacement). Not as important with Air as with one using more expensive harder to change batteries of course. Not doing so only impacts that one battery (unless you make a habit of it....) and only a bit (say up to 10%??). But at least charge it the rest of the way first?

You can vape whole, intact buds. If I were you, I'd start that way. Screens and other refinements can come later, get to know it first? Don't pack it too hard, and don't obsess over touching metal at the bottom. Make vapor and explore heats, then grind/packing. By then you'll be ready to explore screens.

Flat ones are OK, some guys are happy there. Try them, easy and cheap, but they tend to foul very fast since only a small fraction (the part over the holes) 'works'. If you're careful, you can rotate them some and cheat on replacement. But in any event, it's sooner than domed screens.

To clean you can ISO soak, detergent wash or flame. I flame because it's fastest and most complete. Hold it by the edge in a roach clip or something and flame the rest with your torch type lighter until it glows for a few seconds then brush (or even blow) the ash off.

Domed screens vary from very modest (my favorite size is 5/8 inch) for just enough dome to lift the screen off the floor so the entire surface 'works'. They tend to stay put well between changes.

The champ of domed screens IMO was 'invented' by our very own Sinclue. The man himself posted here (complete with link to get 'em):
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-96#post-730350

You can buy smaller or larger quantities from the seller, poke around some. Very well made, highly recommended. This is what they look like:

As far as batteries go, a second is nice to have for sure. Probably the best (and surely the safest) bet is the factory unit. One of the Forum Stalwarts also sells them, unfortunately he's in Canada and shipping can be a deal breaker. The unfortunate part is that 'not completely charged' part. A year or so, fully charged (but never 'used') can kill one in some cases (heat, bad luck.....). That's why they come to you 'part charged' they can be stored years at 60 to 70% with nearly trivial (say 10%) loss in capacity when 'activated and called to duty'. So don't keep your backup fully charged unless you're needing to. I fully charge mine, then run one session on it, using a bit over 20% of that charge. I put it in the case a couple months back, but I'm sure there's at least 3 sessions in the can as it were.

Best wishes with your new vape. You made a great buying choice, no doubt about it, enjoy it.

OF

Hey thanks a lot man, Looks like I am good to go. Now, its just the waiting game for it to be delivered.

OF · May 20, 2015

Knxwledge said:
Hey thanks a lot man, Looks like I am good to go. Now, its just the waiting game for it to be delivered.

You're welcome. The wait will pass, a week from now I bet you think it was worth the wait.

Time to start thinking back up vape?

OF

WoodVillain · May 20, 2015

OF said:
Time to start thinking back up vape?

OF

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