The Arizer Air

DopeFight

DopeFight

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Does anyone know if there are already some Air knock-offs floating around ebay? I was looking around earlier tonight and seen some on there for a price that seemed a little to good. It was from a high rated seller and had big sign up with 100% guarantee and 2 year warranty and all that jazz. I know you can score an authentic Solo on there for a good price, I kinda thought maybe the Air was a little too new.
 
Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
OF said:
I've never seen one and I haven't been following Crafty/Mighty but think I understand what's going on here.

As the battery discharges it's voltage drops a fair bit. Broadly say from 4.2 to 3.2 Volts. This is not 'only' a 25% drop in voltage, but also causes a similar 25% drop in current. These work together to actually be a more serious drop in power (product of volts times amps) of 44% to 56% of what it was fully charged.

With me so far? Obviously this is a problem left unchecked like it is in a mechanical e-cig supply. It's only going to have a bit more than half the power when you give up and recharge.

Enter temperature control. Solo, like most such vapes, uses what's called "duty cycle" control. This means turning it on when it's too cold and shutting it off when it's hot enough. Duty cycle is the ratio (percentage) of the time it's on compared to off. Sometimes called 'on time percentage', it can be adjusted as needed 'on the fly'.....automatically.

That is, when Solo first starts up with a fresh charge it's on for say 5 seconds each cycle. As the battery decays it shifts to 6 seconds on, then to 7 and so on. The off time is pretty constant since it's losing temperature from the same maximum to the same 'turn back on now' temperature.

Just like your home heater 'comes on more often' when it's cold (the duty cycle changes to compensate).

Still there? Here comes what I think can happen. There's an obvious limit when available power is 'just barely enough' to make up for the losses. It stays on 100% of the time finally, after which it just can't get to temperature. You run out of 'extra power' if you will. My guess is the German machines have less margin here. What once was a very responsive car has degraded to the point where it barely makes freeway speed. If you don't get a tune up soon (recharge in our case) you'll get even worse and no longer be able to keep up with traffic, let alone pass anything in sight.

Or not.

OF
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Thanks, that makes sense. Someone intimate with both the Crafty and Mighty explained the experience in much better detail in a PM to me. Temps don't seem to drop near as significantly as we can achieve with the open-airflow Solo and a strong strong pull (some people reported a few steps' drop). To be fair though the Crafty/Mighty are handling bigger loads and it seems to only start struggling once it's nearly dead and in need of the charger anyways. Thanks again, @OF :cheers:
 
Sinclue

Sinclue

OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
DopeFight said:
Does anyone know if there are already some Air knock-offs floating around ebay? I was looking around earlier tonight and seen some on there for a price that seemed a little to good. It was from a high rated seller and had big sign up with 100% guarantee and 2 year warranty and all that jazz. I know you can score an authentic Solo on there for a good price, I kinda thought maybe the Air was a little too new.
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A page ago @CarolKing posted a response from Arizer regarding "Authorized Distributors" that seemed to say that Arizer warranties their products from any seller as long as you can provide proper documentation
("All of our products are covered under warranty,")

At least that's the way I read their response to her. I'd check the Arizer page to make sure you have the "proper documentation" they require, but it would seem an eBay seller would be ok.

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stark1

stark1

Lonesome Planet
DopeFight said:
Does anyone know if there are already some Air knock-offs floating around ebay? I was looking around earlier tonight and seen some on there for a price that seemed a little to good. It was from a high rated seller and had big sign up with 100% guarantee and 2 year warranty and all that jazz. I know you can score an authentic Solo on there for a good price, I kinda thought maybe the Air was a little too new.
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I believe the seller is feeling the waters.

He has several listings, one with free shipping is exclusively for CDN buyers, the others are directed at US buyers.

When posting is factored in, the price is close to the BF Arizer intro sale price, however.

If you can get him to agree to add the spare battery with the sale, it hits the sweet "spot. On."

The serial # would indicate that it is an Arizer product, not a Chinese knock off.

Seems it is a small "family" affair, an hour from the fresh Airs.

Agracancorp is their name. (& I am not affiliated. Just interested.)
 
OF

OF

Well-Known Member
Sinclue said:
A page ago @CarolKing posted a response from Arizer regarding "Authorized Distributors" that seemed to say that Arizer warranties their products from any seller as long as you can provide proper documentation
("All of our products are covered under warranty,")
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I think the key here is is it their product or a counterfeit? At least that's how I read the OP's question. Is it 'legit'?

stark1 said:
I believe the seller is feeling the waters.

He has several listings, one with free shipping is exclusively for CDN buyers, the others are directed at US buyers.

The serial # would indicate that it is an Arizer product, not a Chinese knock off.
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Good insight. However has anyone heard of delivery (or even shipment) from a Dealer anywhere? Only direct from Arizer AFAIK. Nobody else has them for sale but them yet? FWIW I would expect Arizer would keep tight control of the release, giving their established high volume Distributors a seat at the table. That is not let some new guy scoop them?

And I sure wouldn't put any stock at all in the serial number. Not only does Arizer have a history of confusing serial numbers but the Chinese can copy numbers too? Counterfeit Microsoft software comes to you blister wrapped complete with legitimate serial numbers, password keys that work, holograms and all! Anybody able to counterfeit Microsoft's hologram won't be slowed down much by Arizer's numbers.

A friend points out it's a way of life for some, copying western products (including drugs.....) is almost an art form, far from a back room operation.

Until we get word from say Arizer, Planet Vape or PIU I'm going to assume only Arizer actually has the genuine article to ship?

OF
 
OF

OF

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snorcan said:
I know that Toronto Vaporizer has them for sale, and I've seen the Air in a couple of shops here in Toronto that also have an online presence...maybe it's the proximity to Arizer which is about an hour down the highway.
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Interesting, thanks........

Seems to me two "hours down the highway" is exactly one hour longer than one..... Not days, or weeks?

OF
 
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olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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OF said:
I think the key here is is it their product or a counterfeit? At least that's how I read the OP's question. Is it 'legit'?



Good insight. However has anyone heard of delivery (or even shipment) from a Dealer anywhere? Only direct from Arizer AFAIK. Nobody else has them for sale but them yet? FWIW I would expect Arizer would keep tight control of the release, giving their established high volume Distributors a seat at the table. That is not let some new guy scoop them?

And I sure wouldn't put any stock at all in the serial number. Not only does Arizer have a history of confusing serial numbers but the Chinese can copy numbers too? Counterfeit Microsoft software comes to you blister wrapped complete with legitimate serial numbers, password keys that work, holograms and all! Anybody able to counterfeit Microsoft's hologram won't be slowed down much by Arizer's numbers.

A friend points out it's a way of life for some, copying western products (including drugs.....) is almost an art form, far from a back room operation.

Until we get word from say Arizer, Planet Vape or PIU I'm going to assume only Arizer actually has the genuine article to ship?

OF
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If I had to bet, eBay units are legit and supplied by Arizer (only logical IMO). As far as I know, no counterfeit Solos exist so I see 0 possibility for a fake air (at least later on, if it ever gets copied). I was told Puffitup will have them this Wednesday and I'd imagine eBay sellers around then too. I was also told that Puffitup will price match eBay so there must still be margins for profit.
 
OF

OF

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olivianewtonjohn said:
I was told Puffitup will have them this Wednesday and I'd imagine eBay sellers around then too. I was also told that Puffitup will price match eBay so there must still be margins for profit.
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This makes sense. PIU is just playing it straight and not selling stuff they don't have yet? Good news all around.

I agree, it's way too early for counterfeits (before the genuine ones?), but I think 'trust the serial number' is bad advice on general principles.

If PIU has them in stock by week's end, and they price match, looks like the rush to 'street price' is about to start? How long until Air is in the same price range as Solo?

Gentlemen, start your Visa cards........

OF
 
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snorcan

Stay charged, my friends
OF said:
Interesting, thanks........

Seems to me two "hours down the highway" is exactly one hour longer than one..... Not days, or weeks?

OF
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I believe you are correct, two hours is one longer than one, exactly; but it is precisely the same when you consider the round trip...
 
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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SSVUN~YAH said:
I almost bought from eBay last night, thank you @olivianewtonjohn & @OF for enlightening me with the PIU possible deal. Just sent an email to Randy!
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I bought from vaporizers.ca during their preorder sale but cancelled because PIU has treated me so well. Im not sure who I was chatting with but all of that info came from chat on PIU website.
 
OF

OF

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olivianewtonjohn said:
I bought from vaporizers.ca during their preorder sale but cancelled because PIU has treated me so well. Im not sure who I was chatting with but all of that info came from chat on PIU website.
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I hear ya there. Randy's got so much of my money all ready it seems natural to keep sending it there. Should you ever have a problem I'd be hard pressed to recommend a better 'corner man'.

OF
 
SSVUN~YAH

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
OF said:
I hear ya there. Randy's got so much of my money all ready it seems natural to keep sending it there. Should you ever have a problem I'd be hard pressed to recommend a better 'corner man'.

OF
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Puff It Up FTW!!! Randy is beyond awesome, took care of me quick and easy communication, just like always! I'm soooo glad I didnt impulse buy through eBay, PIU is like a security blanket. Thanks to all the early adopters for spreading your experiences. The vids by @thesoloman were the last straw, plus the fact @CentiZen and @OF are here to help, made it easy for me to choose my new portable. I'm stoked... Can't wait!
 
Kief

Kief

Medicated
g1zm0 said:
I was thinking about emailing arizer and asking to buy a shorter stem. Idk if they would do that
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olivianewtonjohn said:
Message them. Cant hurt and only shows there is demand for short stem
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Sinclue said:
I asked about shorter stems a couple of weeks ago and Arizer said they were not going to be offering them.
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If more of us ask... and we keep asking (nicely), maybe they will consider giving their customers what they want. They made The Air, so we know they do listen to us. Let's keep filling their inbox with requests and see what happens.
 
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vapekid

Member
Does anybody have any experience ordering replacement tubes? I dropped one of mine and broke the longer threaded stem. I looked on the Arizer website but I didn't see an option to order replacement tubes by length.
 
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OF

OF

Well-Known Member
vapekid said:
Does anybody have any experience ordering replacement tubes? I dropped one of mine and broke the longer threaded stem. I looked on the Arizer website but I didn't see an option to order replacement tubes by length.
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Yes, actually that's the exact topic of the post just before yours..........

Only the longer of the two are available it seems.

OF
 
LongIslandmom

LongIslandmom

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OF said:
This makes sense. PIU is just playing it straight and not selling stuff they don't have yet? Good news all around.

I agree, it's way too early for counterfeits (before the genuine ones?), but I think 'trust the serial number' is bad advice on general principles.

If PIU has them in stock by week's end, and they price match, looks like the rush to 'street price' is about to start? How long until Air is in the same price range as Solo?

Gentlemen, start your Visa cards........

OF
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I agree with OF as let's face he knows his stuff. PUI is the way to go and they will match any price and I think soon the AA will come down to @ $150 (maybe by the spring ) I am resurrecting my pulsar 7 for this trip for really portable and hope that it will do a decent job since I just spent $ to change the ceramic little tube, new mouth peices. if it works ok I will hold off on the air till the spring. Yes I have VAS but I should be able to utilize what I have.

Jazz fest line up just came out. Elton John the who. Steve Winwood, John Lengend to name a few. It would be nice to have the air by then. Trying for both weekends, need to win the lottery!!
 
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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g1zm0 said:
Kinda disappointed.. :(
anyway I have a question.
Since the bowl in the longer AA stem is bigger, can I only pack it half way up? Will it affect anything like efficiency or cloud production?
I tried it and I think the weed didnt get as dark as it would with a full bowl in shorter AA stem. It got me just as high though.
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You could load less than half if you wanted too. In fact thats my preferred method for the solo. Really helps with controlling the dose and efficiency. I sometimes would load just enough to cover the screen.

How does the longer stem with plastic tip compared to the shorter stem (visually)? Stealth wise? Might be our best option given arizers attitude.
 
fabronaut

fabronaut

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OF said:
has anyone heard of delivery (or even shipment) from a Dealer anywhere? Only direct from Arizer AFAIK. Nobody else has them for sale but them yet?
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snorcan said:
I know that Toronto Vaporizer has them for sale, and I've seen the Air in a couple of shops here in Toronto that also have an online presence...maybe it's the proximity to Arizer which is about an hour down the highway.
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bought mine from Toronto Vaporizer on December 19th. Could've had it shipped but drove down and picked it up -- it was an adventure! :)

could've waited for the Boxing Day / inevitable sales, but honestly, it works and I'm happy with it. I had it narrowed down to the S&B products and the Solo as my first vape, and I'm glad I went with the Air.

The list price isn't that hard to swallow, and while it's always nice to save money, I have found if you kinda half ass it, you just end up buying what you wanted down the road anyway, which ends up costing more (plus related hassles if you really cheap out).

I'd expect the lowball price to sit around $180-200 Canadian for the patient. Might take a few months to get there (I'm new to vapes so no idea how fast prices shift), but it will come soon enough. Gotta move units ;)
 
OF

OF

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olivianewtonjohn said:
How does the longer stem with plastic tip compared to the shorter stem (visually)? Stealth wise? Might be our best option given arizers attitude.
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It's only slightly longer (.3 inches, 1.70 and 2.00 inches for mine) The bowl part is smaller as well (like the shortie stems from PV). I think the smaller volume in the bow is the only realistic advantage, .3 inches isn't much......

OF
 
stark1

stark1

Lonesome Planet
OF said:
However has anyone heard of delivery (or even shipment) from a Dealer anywhere? Only direct from Arizer AFAIK. Nobody else has them for sale but them yet? FWIW I would expect Arizer would keep tight control of the release, giving their established high volume Distributors a seat at the table. That is not let some new guy scoop them.OF
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@OF Well, out of curiosity, I dove, and took the plunge. Can't believe I took a hit.

Canada Post said Friday. We shall see. "It's all right, Ma. It's only money."

Air example of a "gray" market, perhaps?

Twiddle dee. Twiddle d :mental:mb?
 
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SlightlyStonedSD

SlightlyStonedSD

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FWIW I needed to provide my phone number, shipping address, and serial # for my warranty claim. I dunno what they would need from an outside vendor though.

Isn't Arizer located in Canada? I'm just curious why the emails I get from them are between 11pm-1am pacific time.

Kief said:
If more of us ask... and we keep asking (nicely), maybe they will consider giving their customers what they want. They made The Air, so we know they do listen to us. Let's keep filling their inbox with requests and see what happens.
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Good call, I've been in contact with Arizer for my warranty claim so I'll mention if my short stem were to break, I would be disappointed if I couldn't replace it.
 
Sinclue

Sinclue

OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
SlightlyStonedSD said:
FWIW I needed to provide my phone number, shipping address, and serial # for my warranty claim. I dunno what they would need from an outside vendor though.

Isn't Arizer located in Canada? I'm just curious why the emails I get from them are between 11pm-1am pacific time.
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I think US warranty returns go to a place in Washington. I had to send in a Solo a couple of years ago and for US owners it went to Washington and Canada owners went back to Arizer direct. Probably has to do with Postal regulations I would expect.

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