The Lotus Vaporizer

Delta3DStudios · May 28, 2014

Question - I've got a vial of ISO (about 30mL) which I've been using to hold used screens from my lotus (nice caked up ones). I was about to dump that and extract my 8 or 9 screens when I thought wait a minute.....

What's the best way to reclaim from the ISO soak?

cityslang · May 28, 2014

Ratchett said:
Question - I've got a vial of ISO (about 30mL) which I've been using to hold used screens from my lotus (nice caked up ones). I was about to dump that and extract my 8 or 9 screens when I thought wait a minute.....

What's the best way to reclaim from the ISO soak?

If you drink alcohol you could soak them in vodka/whiskey/gin etc and drink it afterwards. Just an idea I actually know a guy who soaks his grinder in vodka and drinks it swears by it I keep meaning to try this

SSVUN~YAH · May 28, 2014

Ratchett said:
Question - I've got a vial of ISO (about 30mL) which I've been using to hold used screens from my lotus (nice caked up ones). I was about to dump that and extract my 8 or 9 screens when I thought wait a minute.....

What's the best way to reclaim from the ISO soak?

Yes, that screen reclaim is top notch QWISO!!! Run them seperate from your abv washes and you can tell the difference in potency. I mix them all up and make a golden jelly casserole, nom nom nom dinner time!?!

Delta3DStudios · May 28, 2014

cityslang said:
If you drink alcohol you could soak them in vodka/whiskey/gin etc and drink it afterwards. Just an idea I actually know a guy who soaks his grinder in vodka and drinks it swears by it I keep meaning to try this

Yeah, I normally use everclear for my grinder soaks. But this was mainly to clean the screens, but then I realized that shit is probably pretty potent. I thought it probably would be QWISO, but wanted to know before I started looking into the details.

Thanks guys!

cityslang · May 28, 2014

Ratchett said:
Yeah, I normally use everclear for my grinder soaks. But this was mainly to clean the screens, but then I realized that shit is probably pretty potent. I thought it probably would be QWISO, but wanted to know before I started looking into the details.

Thanks guys!

Err my method is fire a quick blast directly onto the screen every few days and inhale I just can't resist only a 2 second burst and it kicks hard. I probably would soak it and drink it too if I could be arsed but the grinder soak sounds interesting

cybrguy · May 28, 2014

Ratchett said:
Can you take a picture of your loads after your first draw so we can see what the heating profile looks like? (Is it scorched on one side, evenly brown, black throughout, still green, etc)

I thought I would share this in case it was useful in some way for diagnosis. These are my last few sessions. As you can see the ABV is always spotty, unlike the even brownness when it comes from my HA. The sample at 11:00 was a one pass only and is a littler more even, but low temp for flavor.

I'm getting better with the device, but it takes such precision that it can't be working right.

Baked55 · May 28, 2014

Ratchett said:
Question - I've got a vial of ISO (about 30mL) which I've been using to hold used screens from my lotus (nice caked up ones). I was about to dump that and extract my 8 or 9 screens when I thought wait a minute.....

What's the best way to reclaim from the ISO soak?

Just dump it out on a Pyrex plate and let it evaporate (fan or double boiler can speed this up) and scrape it up and got some potent reclaim. Love using it on some cotton in the lotus.

pigfoot · May 28, 2014

cybrguy said:
I thought I would share this in case it was useful in some way for diagnosis. These are my last few sessions. As you can see the ABV is always spotty, unlike the even brownness when it comes from my HA. The sample at 11:00 was a one pass only and is a littler more even, but low temp for flavor.

I'm getting better with the device, but it takes such precision that it can't be working right.

So you mean if you heat too little - no vapor, and if you heat too much - scorching? Your abv is pretty dark in some of them, are you getting huge, cloudy hits?

Delta3DStudios · May 28, 2014

@cyberguy - what kind of torch? Can you take a picture of your flame?

cybrguy · May 28, 2014

pigfoot said:
So you mean if you heat too little - no vapor, and if you heat too much - scorching? Your abv is pretty dark in some of them, are you getting huge, cloudy hits?

Yes, that is what I mean. And no, I am not getting "huge cloudy hits". I will occasionally get one, but only if all is perfect. And if I chase them I am likely to get combustion, or at least scorching.

Ratchett said:
@cyberguy - what kind of torch? Can you take a picture of your flame?

I have 4 different torches and have tried them all with various flame lengths. This is my hottest torch with the flame that works best.

For size, that cap length from the indentation is 1/2"

pigfoot · May 28, 2014

Sure sounds like something is wrong. I never got my abv that dark, and had nice clouds. I wish I could help more.

Gray Area · May 28, 2014

cybrguy said:
Yes, that is what I mean. And no, I am not getting "huge cloudy hits". I will occasionally get one, but only if all is perfect. And if I chase them I am likely to get combustion, or at least scorching.

I have 4 different torches and have tried them all with various flame lengths. This is my hottest torch with the flame that works best.

For size, that cap length from the indentation is 1/2"

That flame looks a little shorter than the one I use. Mines longer but I also hold the lighter high up so that the shadow flame tip is all that's tickling the plate.

On a warm cap I heat three or four seconds, pull flame away for a second or two, then back to heat again. His is repeated a few times while drawing throughout.
Have no problem getting evenly toasted herb of whatever darkness I want to.

In a side note, this thing really shines with hash. Have had some really good grade Moroccan hash recently and the Lotus is my favourite way of consuming it. Small bed of weed, small grain of rice sized piece of hash on top.
Couple of draws to prime it, stir then bliss.

cityslang · May 28, 2014

I just noticed the bowl has rubbed the wood a bit there were a few micro wood shavings up inside the cap gave it a blow out came wood dust.

Not sure if this a concern or not but it could explain the wood smell some get when on the lotus.

I've also noticed since the ISO soak herbs take a lot longer to cook and aren't as dark as they used to be. Still darker than I can manage with the pnp on level 3 and the solo on 7. Still works a dream really is great for hash and oil.

Gray Area · May 28, 2014

cityslang said:
I've also noticed since the ISO soak herbs take a lot longer to cook and aren't as dark as they used to be. Still darker than I can manage with the pnp on level 3 and the solo on 7. Still works a dream really is great for hash and oil.

The soak has probably reduced restriction through the bowl/stem, so the same draw with less restriction will run cooler I guess.

Tbh, I find that generally the abv from my Lotus is a fair bit lighter that my solo on 7, unless I really go for it. No lack of effect mind you, regardless of colour...

nemo · May 28, 2014

are you sure they were wood shavings and not some ABV? ... i blow mine often :lol:

...like... every other bowl... i think it has something to do with the sucking speed :lol:

... i think if one sucks fast enough, the air speed mixes up the stuff in the bowl and some of it ends up inside the cap

also i dont think its possible to touch the wooden part with the bowl... so as to scrape it... is it?

stickstones · May 28, 2014

@cybrguy It looks like you might be moving to extremes when heating. It looks like you are either too cool or too hot, but not just right. It can be hard for noobs with fire vapes. I remember having this problem years ago with my Genie. Eventually, with a lot of help I got to where I could master it blindfolded. Are you using a pipe or some kind of glass where you can see what is going on?

jojo0420 · May 28, 2014

I get ABV dust in my cap as well.
I give it a tap around the edge on the counter and blow it out from time to time.

Unisonruss · May 28, 2014

The lotus is the greatest thing, ever.

jambandphan03 · May 29, 2014

Just a little Lotus porn

Love this combo

grokit · May 29, 2014

cybrguy said:
I thought I would share this in case it was useful in some way for diagnosis. These are my last few sessions. As you can see the ABV is always spotty, unlike the even brownness when it comes from my HA. The sample at 11:00 was a one pass only and is a littler more even, but low temp for flavor.

I'm getting better with the device, but it takes such precision that it can't be working right.

Back off the flame a bit and go slower?

Gray Area · May 29, 2014

@cybrguy I forgot to ask how big are your loads? How full do you fill the bowl. I find an overfilled bowl (for me anything over 2/3 full) is a sure way of getting charring.

I aim for the bowl to be half full after a very light tamp down (just enough to flatten the load - I know you're not supposed to, but it works well for me).

I also find with too fine a grind it's easier to get scorched bits, so I aim for a coarse grind. Well dried and cured, but I don't let it dry out more after grinding as others do.

Bit of practice and experiment and you'll have it wired in no time.
I tried mine a couple if times after I first bought it and wasn't convinced. Left it alone for a couple of months (and almost gifted it to a friend!!), but decided to give it another shot - all the love on this thread had to be for a reason I figured...

Am I pleased I stuck with it? You bet I am. This thing rivals/beats my solo for flavour dry and hits like a champ. Very quick and very efficient.
Hands down the best vape for hash imo too.

cybrguy · May 29, 2014

stickstones said:
@cybrguy It looks like you might be moving to extremes when heating. It looks like you are either too cool or too hot, but not just right. It can be hard for noobs with fire vapes. I remember having this problem years ago with my Genie. Eventually, with a lot of help I got to where I could master it blindfolded. Are you using a pipe or some kind of glass where you can see what is going on?

I now have 4 glass pieces including the GL J-hook and a straight bong I have had for a long time. The last piece gives me the best view, but I have been getting in front of a mirror some of the time to get a better view, I just can't seem to get it down. If I had the right allen wrench I'd pull off the plate to see if something is blocking the airflow or otherwise wrong, but I don't.

Gray Area said:
@cybrguy I forgot to ask how big are your loads? How full do you fill the bowl. I find an overfilled bowl (for me anything over 2/3 full) is a sure way of getting charring.

I normally fill 1/2 to 1/3 full, but I have tried smaller loads as well. Actually, the ability to do a small load is one of the features I was looking for and I appreciate it.

Couple more days and I will send it in to MT for them to have a look. The design is fairly simple, I can't imagine a lot of things that could go wrong. There are too many happy Lotus users out there for this to be how the device is supposed to operate. It's not like it's not working, it's just too much effort to make it work well.

No worries. I have backup.

Edit: I meant to say above I fill the bowl 1/2 to 2/3, but I go sometimes to 3/4.

cityslang · May 29, 2014

nemo said:
are you sure they were wood shavings and not some ABV? ... i blow mine often ...like... every other bowl... i think it has something to do with the sucking speed ... i think if one sucks fast enough, the air speed mixes up the stuff in the bowl and some of it ends up inside the cap

also i dont think its possible to touch the wooden part with the bowl... so as to scrape it... is it?

Yeah I think your right gave it another good blow and it is back to its lofty vape heights.

lovinlivinlife · May 29, 2014

nemo said:
i blow mine often ...like... i think it has something to do with the sucking speed ... i think if one sucks fast enough, its possible to scrape it... is it?

I don't think it is so much sucking speed as it is blow back. I find that if I make sure to pull the lotus off of the joint prior to stopping inhaling and wait a second before putting it back on I don't get much if at all material going into the cap.

When I had the AL stem I found that by taking out the screw and using that hole as a carb, if I uncovered the hole prior to stopping the draw I wouldn't get anything in the cap either.

The reason I am pointing this out is because when I first received my lotus I thought it was the dirtiest vape. I couldn't keep the thing clean and I could only use a water tool on it once or twice before the water was completely dirty.....

Once I changed out the screen to a standard 1/2" and figured out the blow-back issue it became a much cleaner experience. :2c:

Oh and sorry if I missed any words when I quoted your post @nemo! :brow:

Puffers · May 29, 2014

So yesterday I could see flexing in my lotus plate as I heated....... Should I be worried?

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