Are you saying you tried to take the Apollo heater apart? If so, not a good idea...Enrico mentioned this would more than likely mess up your unit.
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Are you saying you tried to take the Apollo heater apart? If so, not a good idea...Enrico mentioned this would more than likely mess up your unit.
Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
How i dab people on the ti nail is that i dab it against the middle pole. it for sure smokes the dab, but i have two metal screens to catch any that fall through the holes. (this doesn't happen as much to notice)
When i did the reclaim progress, i had no screen, and one day i saw just a couple tiny chunks of budder in my pile, so i think it's not fully decarbed by the heat.
However dabbing on the pole seems like it packs a way bigger punch than usual for me.
grokit
well-worn member
I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.
Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!
Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!
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Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
Looks like one of those glass adapter to smoke joints out of.I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.
Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!
Subdivision has their on Frequently Asked Questions note on Facebook. I will ask Enrico to work with me to expand the FAQs and hopefully get all problems sorted out.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/subd...uestions-about-the-sublimator/574220139308339
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grokit
well-worn member
I dunno but I have one of those (in 14mm) somewhere for an ssv bubbler, I know it fits the bigger hose so I'll get back to you
I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.
Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!
I used the adapter off of this:
http://www.pipesdaddy.com/product-p/vp-0022.htm
I think that one is 18mm, but I am sure you can find just the adapter someplace. It's the same bubbler I use with my sub.
Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
Here is some information in regarding the differences between the two different types of sublimator.
Both sublimators are strictly ment for different purposes.
The apollo is ment strictly for herbs, however, you can dab in the crater or to do some double deckers. The way that the apollo is made, is strictly sublimating herbs as it creates a strong enviroment to "sublimate" instead of vaporizing. However, the Ti nail is strictly ment for concentrates, Enrico does not recommend the Ti Nail IF you're going to use it for herbs. The way the Ti Nail is made does not create a vortex due to it's different design than the apollo. In that case the only thing the Ti Nail is doing is Vaporizing, which also can be called "Toasting".
Both sublimators are strictly ment for different purposes.
The apollo is ment strictly for herbs, however, you can dab in the crater or to do some double deckers. The way that the apollo is made, is strictly sublimating herbs as it creates a strong enviroment to "sublimate" instead of vaporizing. However, the Ti nail is strictly ment for concentrates, Enrico does not recommend the Ti Nail IF you're going to use it for herbs. The way the Ti Nail is made does not create a vortex due to it's different design than the apollo. In that case the only thing the Ti Nail is doing is Vaporizing, which also can be called "Toasting".
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Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
I haven't gotten enough information to make an official statement, but let me speak for myself.
The only possible way I'm looking at it is that people may misuse the device. In my earlier moments owning it, I was corrected by Enrico that I was running my device red hot to the maximum. Remember when I told everyone that I had two different settings for Dabs and one for Weed? I let that running for hours and hours on end. I ran that sublimator at the highest for more than 50 hours counted. Then it gave up, just about the same time you guys are dipping.
I can't speak for Enrico in this case.
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Happy Subday Everyone!
Keep on subbin it!
I haven't gotten enough information to make an official statement, but let me speak for myself.
The only possible way I'm looking at it is that people may misuse the device. In my earlier moments owning it, I was corrected by Enrico that I was running my device red hot to the maximum. Remember when I told everyone that I had two different settings for Dabs and one for Weed? I let that running for hours and hours on end. I ran that sublimator at the highest for more than 50 hours counted. Then it gave up, just about the same time you guys are dipping.
I can't speak for Enrico in this case.
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Happy Subday Everyone!
Keep on subbin it!
Nah. Not in my case at least. It was established pretty early on not to run the device red hot, unless you are cleaning it. Mine has never been run over 38-40 watts, and I never leave it on 24/7.
As to others, I can't say...but I doubt much of this has to to do with "misuse"
Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
i don't go by watts. I go by how hot it gets.
And? Makes no difference. I'm not trying to argue, but I don't really understand what your point is? If the sublimator is so sensitive to settings, then perhaps they need to get that new switch out to customers with the LED indicator? Or maybe build a $400+ vaporizer that can actually withstand some use, rather than one that will break as soon as you use it "too hot"
I'm trying my best not to get pissy here, but I really don't like the shift to blaming the consumer on this one.
Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
I believe that people put it on a higher temperature. The reason why i don't go by watts is because the environment can change everything. I've sublimated in some pretty cold weather and I have to turn it up a bit more.
just because it's running at a watt doesn't mean it's going to run the temperature you want.
I've combusted herbs at a max, when it usually doesn't until Vancouver got a heat wave.
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You do realize, that the wattage meter is just a reference to use against ones results, right? Meaning, if I know at 38 watts, I get the colour of ABV I like, then go to another "environment" and find 38 watts is burning, guess what I do? I turn it down. If it's not getting hot enough, I turn it up till I get the colour I want.
So meter or not...people eventually establish ranges they like. So your example is kind of moot. If I ran a full blast 60 watts, element is red which Enrico is saying causes the burn out...I would combust my weed almost always.
This is not user error. This is a design flaw in my books. So how about they fix it?
grokit
well-worn member
Thanks, that's an awesome bubbler. I'm wondering what that part might be called...
...but no matter...
Thanks! It looks like I already have everything I need then, including a new use for my old ssv bubbler. For a reference point, the ssv tube adapter fits the launchpad tube perfectly, just on the inside instead of the outside like it does with the ssv tubing.
So any ssv bubbler that has that fitting should be directly adaptable to the launchtube, and now I can adapt a variety of water tools to it as well since it's standard 14mm.
I'm gonna need some more tubing though, what do you guys recommend? The stuff that it comes with doesn't even state the size on it, I guess I can take the old mouthpiece down to the hardware store...
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growkindness
New Member
I'm with you, Tweek. My unit seems to also have the wattage issue. Originally I topped out at 64-65 watts and my sweet spot was around 38-40 watts. Now my max wattage has dropped to ~50 watts and my sweet spot is around 43 watts.
I am concerned that one day soon the max temp will drop below my sweet spot and then the unit will no longer be able to deliver. Especially since I have only owned the unit for 2 months and it's max wattage has dropped by 23%.
I would very much like to see what Enrico has to say on the matter.
I am concerned that one day soon the max temp will drop below my sweet spot and then the unit will no longer be able to deliver. Especially since I have only owned the unit for 2 months and it's max wattage has dropped by 23%.
I would very much like to see what Enrico has to say on the matter.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
it's distressing that he hasn't had anything to say since i disagreed with his price changes for repair/replacement
Indeed, I would as well. I see no real way the user could be at fault in these situations. These symptoms are typical of a resistor being run past it's power dissipation threshold for too long. This is taken from the wikipedia page on resistors:
I'm guessing that there is a ceramic resistor in the heating unit that serves as an element for the sublimator, and that they just can't stand up to this sort of constant wattage being pumped through them. The resistances are slowly increasing, allowing less power through. It's surprising that this issue was not noticed during the testing phases of the Sublimator, especially considering the total cost of a unit.
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jambandphan03
in flavor country
I've seen them referred to as vaporizer tube glass adapter, elbow adapter, here its called a bubbler knob...
http://www.pipesdaddy.com/18mm-Vaporizer-Bubbler-Knob-p/as-0035.htm
All it would of taken, was an official rep in here listening to our concerns and then working together to find a solution. We are just trying to make an awesome product better, and promote the brand. But if I have to keep throwing money at this thing because they want to stick to the suggestion that its "user error" , then I am not above smelting this thing down to a puddle and moving on.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
'specially since real world experiments don't hold up to the suggestions.
mine was fine when i left it on. only when turning it off and on (at manufacturer suggestion) did it start to drop wattage. as it has every time since. if i leave it on it holds or climbs.
just glad i got an EVO coming for backup. if he does reneg on my warranty extension then i'm out shipping up to CA costs, the $30 they want to ship it back and the repair cost which he upped from $30-$40. so $70 plus what i pay to ship it up. and it's my fault, right?
mine was fine when i left it on. only when turning it off and on (at manufacturer suggestion) did it start to drop wattage. as it has every time since. if i leave it on it holds or climbs.
just glad i got an EVO coming for backup. if he does reneg on my warranty extension then i'm out shipping up to CA costs, the $30 they want to ship it back and the repair cost which he upped from $30-$40. so $70 plus what i pay to ship it up. and it's my fault, right?
Tommii
Subdivision Founder / Sublimator Ambassador
You stated that you purchased from someone 2nd hand. He must of ran it incorrectly before given to you
No flame no argue. Not tryin to cause trouble
When you tell someone that it's their fault, without any supporting facts...that's causing trouble.
If you aren't an official rep for Sublimator, it might be best not to represent them here unofficially ...because so far, you are just getting myself and I am sure others, pissed off with statements like that.
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I would like to know if it's because the resistor is underrated and its resistance is changing or what. Is it the same resistor in the E-nail? I rarely ever run mine max temp just the odd 5 minutes on max to accelerate heating. My units seen a lot of on time over the passed few months and there's been a definite drop in power, but max temp still would still spark a cherry up in any bowl. I hope that the sublimator team figures out a new resistor and releases the Ti before it becomes a real problem. I still feel a little sore about the price tag and how soon it'll need repairs compared to my trusty 4 year old almost always on dabuddha. The Sublimator does pack the most punch per hit out of any vaporizer I've tried though, so I'd really like to keep it around.