Arizer Solo

DeepFried

A Legend in my Own Mind
WOW, had to check mine too, no damage but now I am paranoid about using it safety wise. I hate teflon and especially if it is being heated, I did email Arizer after I first bought mine to inquire about that shiny coating and just got the most basic form answer "ceramic".
Has there ever been a vaporizer recall ? Anyone with this happening should email Arizer directly, not just one person. Why did the beta testers such as Rockwise not catch this ?
If you can't tell, I'm pissed off about this, I like my Solo so much and it works so well that the thought of going back to my MFLB with the PA is like wrecking your Nissan GTR and having to back to driving your Honda Civic.
 
DeepFried,
Okay, I sent a very complete email to Arizer.com, telling them that we on this forum are concerned with this issue, and would like them to come and make an appearance and offer an explanation, as well as a exact description of what that substance is. I hope they come on and offer replacements for afflicted models.

My Solo is shelved.

Where's my Supreme? :D

BTW, I made the cancer statement as kind of a black humor thing. I meant that it's extremely concerning, and the health implications are unknown, and that I've been using this, and sharing this, with people who I may have unknowingly hurt. On one hand I want to retract it and on the other I wish to reassert it.

I have asked VFW.net for a cash refund. Fingers crossed. I may consider a Solo, like, version 3.9 when they sort out this shit.
 
charliedontsurf,

dorkus_molorkus

Well-Known Member
I have also sent a brief email to arizer expressing my concern regarding the flaking paint & its possible health implications and I also mentioned this thread & that some members on here have had significant flaking
on their units.

CDS- no offence taken here. (for me anyway) as a side note, I managed to catch a few minutes of apocalypse now on the tv last night. Just as the air cav are about to depart to go ''surfing'', and I hear ''CHARLIE DONT SURF!''

the penny dropped, PMSL :D

Good luck on the refund. I may soon have to go that route as well & hope for version 3.9 also.

**sigh** what a bummer.
 
dorkus_molorkus,

August West

Active Member
Ok I just checked my Solo and I have NO flaking or chipping like CDS. Those pics were pretty shocking. I'm still using mine and enjoying it. HOWEVER I along with most everybody on this board will be anxiously awaiting Arizer's reply. If a picture is worth a thousand words....then their response should be a good one hopefully.

Sorry you are having problems CDS.
 
August West,

darkrom

Great Scott!
No flaking, but I am terrified. It is in everyone's best interest that they answer this fast. They probably want to address this immediately if it is a health concern...
 
darkrom,

dorkus_molorkus

Well-Known Member
darkrom said:
Dorkus do you have no screen on that stem? Personally I'd iso wash the stem and keep using the same iso batch to clean your stems for a while until you have green iso and just make hash from that. That's what I'm trying right now. Have a double bagged zip lock bag of green iso just waiting to be used to clean more stems then turned into hash. Any downside to that?


isnt ISO classified as a solvent?? like acetone??
IDK, TBH
if so , dunno if i'd wanna put a solvent in a plastic bag that its contents I eventually inhale.

just my .02, but Im sure someone who understands this sort of thing better will hopefully will chime in.

:peace:

EDIT-grammar cause my granma didnt teach me to speak too gooda hey?
 
dorkus_molorkus,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
Rockwise said:
You've never contacted us and you've got such strongly negative and crass things to say about my business.
Rockwise, to be clear I have nothing really to say about your business. My only opinion is that I find the charges involved to be prohibitively excessive (over 175% more in my one experience than your competitor), and so I just can't afford to do business with you. I don't have time to call or email every retailer looking for a deal- just window shopping to narrow my choices; it's up to the retailer to catch me and my business. It's there for the taking. With regards to your being the exclusive online retailer for most Arizer solo accessories for the 2 months since the products launch, then good for you. It must be good for your business, although it's poor for me. If you're not in cahoots with Arizer then I apologise for that suggestion, although I don't think that to be so would reflect badly on yourself. However you got there, it's an enviable position for a retailer and I couldn't blame you even if it was by arrangement. I have no expectations from your business having not invested in your brand as I have Arizer's. You apparently provide good service to those in the right locations, so good luck to you.

However, whilst I really do love the product (I've sold them 2 to friends so far, maybe 3 soon), I do stand by my displeasure at the strategy and ethos of Arizer here wrt marketing their power supplies, even if I don't know the full story.

Whilst I was away battery life became an issue for me- I only took the Solo and a couple of lighter based vapes, but I only wanted to hit the Solo. I was often late getting out of the house after my morning session due to waiting for my Solo to recharge as I always wanted it fully charged to go out. Lets face it, a dual mode power supply is what the Solo actually should be sold with. It's clearly the way the vape is meant to work, making it twice as useful as battery only mode. It was frustrating for me to have many power supplies available for purchase in the shops around me that would prevent this issue once and for all, but not knowing which to go with. But I'm back home now, surrounded by vapes. The Solo running out of battery is less of an issue for me. Nevertheless;

The 9v power supply is an 'off the shelf' product. So why shouldn't it be available with my purchase? It seems to me only a couple of obvious reasons; a) they rushed the launch to beat the Irish competition before they had the power supply's sorted, or b)they're up to 'something' else, or even c) complete incompetence ?

Despite the explanation provided by Rockwise I don't think c) is likely- they're well established in the vape world. This is not a new company seeking to develop new distribution network. They have an existing network that sees sales of Arizer products worldwide. The Solo itself is sold on at least 3 continents (are they in South Africa as well?). The merchanise COULD (and should) be out there. I'll take Rockwise at his word that it's not b). If it is a), which would seem most likely now, then why should the customer be the one to suffer? If the Solo did launch prematurely and they couldn't offer the full product then the manufacturer should take the small hit on the power supply and tell us what we need. Whatever the reasons, maybe a mix of many, they're ultimately irrelevant to me. Arizer's margin on an off the shelf power supply must be minimal. Is it worth denying and irritating their customers for? Legitimate big boy coroprate tactics, sure. But poor ethos IMO.

I don't agree as some have suggested that the manufacturer has the right to be the only ones to sell us the required power suply (I would have tolerated it without question though had it been available for purchase). I know lots of big manufacturers act like this, and mobile phone manufacturers especially, but it's a practise that I think stinks (and i think we actually have legislation coming into the EU to stop cellphone manufacturers doing this and make them universal- so many wasted old wall transformers in existence). I think it's a little bit like Magic Flight keeping their battery chemistry secret and forcing the purchase of mysterious peeled batteries just from them. They could've. But that wouldn't make for really happy customers. When it's an off the shelf standard product then I do believe such tactics to be exploiting the customer base.[/rant] Essential accessories should be available soon apparently. Let's get back to the positives

Edit; Hooollly shit. Wrote that last sentence before reading on to CDS post. Panic does set in! No sign on mine yet, but my stems are very loose. Was this vape too good to be true?.... I'm sure it'll be fine..... in the end...... i hope.....
 
WatTyler,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
Observations from the past:

Don't expect Arizer to show up here. I would expect them to answer thier indivdual customer's emails and I would expect to see Rockwise show up here with the Arizer response and explanation. That's just their style. I think they will get things fixed and people taken care of, just don't get upset if they don't show up here personally, because I don't think they will.

Also, just to keep things in perspective, when I talk to manufacturers about sales and marketing it becomes obvious that fc is not the massive force in the vape industry that we think it is. While shitstorms like this grind things to a halt around here, the rest of the world keeps on selling and vaping...so I also wouldn't expect a quicker response to anything from Arizer based on fc presence. That being said, I would be surprised if things aren't addressed quickly based on my experience with Arizer.
 
stickstones,

aesthyrian

Blaaaaah
Wow, shit like this is exactly the reason why I think FC is such a valuable resource. I can't wait to hear Arizer's response to this. I think this might be a costly mistake of theirs in the long run.
 
aesthyrian,

vape4life

Banned for life
I have contacted Arizer about my unit's odour issue and flaked paint issue and have started a warranty claim. They responded very quickly and professionally and I should have my unit back in a few days time either repaired or replaced. I'm happy I purchased at an authorized store (friendly stranger)...i may have paid a bit more, but i'm happy that Arizer is going to fix this.

I didn't look back in the thread, but i'm pretty sure "arizer tech" posted for the first time here? Arizer Tech was also who I dealt with for the warranty.
 
vape4life,

Flatland

Active Member
charliedontsurf said:
Whoa, I just glanced into the chamber and saw that a good portion of the coating inside the bowl is flaking off! I'm going to take pictures and post shortly.

Edit: The health implications of this are appalling to me. I'll probably toss out my whole bowl of ABV. The rust-like redness is very much exaggerated by the lighting and the camera, it is nowhere near that obvious in person. The flaked coating however is completely obvious. I have not been rough at all on my Solo.

http://i.imgur.com/aw9Gw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aAj2V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2h1E8.jpg

Maybe the electrical component smell like, what, two or three of us are reporting is actually the defective coating cooking off and, I don't know, giving us cancer.

Are you sure that it isn't spent herb that got trapped in the chamber? I have what looks like the same thing in my unit but upon closer inspection it just seems like spent herb.
 
Flatland,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
OhTheAgony said:
WatTyler: I like the looks of that pouch. Would you mind doing a little review of it when it arrives, preferably with some photo's of the Solo & stems in it so we can see how well (or bad) it fits?
Ask and ye shall receive.

It arrived whilst I was away, so can't say how long it took, but within 17 days from the USA.
First loaded with the charger, a scout grinder, one stem (I have broken the other), and a pokey stick sold by Vapor Genie for $3 (highly recommended). Not much room for anything else. It's all pretty full and secure, not room for too much more. The solo feels fairly well protected by the ample padding of the case, and there's a velcro lateral divider inset which allows me to keep the weight of the scout grinder off the solo. I've noticed that the aluminium of the scout grinder marks the Solo, so I'm on the look out for something similar maybe in plastic- I think I saw Vito with some plastic 'dragon chewers'? from puffitup, which might do the job if the right size.
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This is with the stem in a side pocket- however, there's no padding for the outside pockets so not sure if it's the best for the stem. Not sure how protected they will be in the centre compartment either- from the other contents such as my scout grinder knocking around. The silver liner looks pretty heat proof, the other pocket doesn't have the liner, or the magnetic flap
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The last pic shows the Ryot pokey stick sold by Vapor Genie- for $3 it's a useful bargain IMO. You can also see the velcro attached divider in there above the Solo, if you look closely
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The adaptor and UK converter plug is ludicrously bulky and won't fit well in the case. You can see why I want to buy my own UK versions.
 
WatTyler,

vape4life

Banned for life
10000% positive it is not spent herb. It is the coating/paint flaking off. Mine has got a bit bigger now too but it's being sent in tomorrow. Phew i'm just glad i'm not the only one! Although maybe I shouldn't be considering this could be a problem for all solo's down the line until they fix the problem in a new version. Until the Cloud comes out, looks like i'm going Extreme again.


Flatland said:
charliedontsurf said:
Whoa, I just glanced into the chamber and saw that a good portion of the coating inside the bowl is flaking off! I'm going to take pictures and post shortly.

Edit: The health implications of this are appalling to me. I'll probably toss out my whole bowl of ABV. The rust-like redness is very much exaggerated by the lighting and the camera, it is nowhere near that obvious in person. The flaked coating however is completely obvious. I have not been rough at all on my Solo.

http://i.imgur.com/aw9Gw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aAj2V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2h1E8.jpg

Maybe the electrical component smell like, what, two or three of us are reporting is actually the defective coating cooking off and, I don't know, giving us cancer.

Are you sure that it isn't spent herb that got trapped in the chamber? I have what looks like the same thing in my unit but upon closer inspection it just seems like spent herb.
 
vape4life,

vape4life

Banned for life
+1 forsure... this didn't occur during beta testing?? I'm wondering if WE are the R&D beta testers! lol Then they will release the Solo v2.0 with some new type of material or what not.

lwien said:
charliedontsurf said:
Whoa, I just glanced into the chamber and saw that a good portion of the coating inside the bowl is flaking off!


I don't understand why shit like this isn't picked up in R&D BEFORE they release it to the general market. Reminds me of some of the crap that went on with the NO2's and makes me really appreciate all the testing, retesting and time that is being taken with the Cloud before bringing it to market.
 
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Vaped Ape

MMJ Therapist specializing in gynecology~wannabe
I'm thinking a small draw string pouch would help protect the unit itself and not consume any further space in the pouch. I am also thinking that a neoprene sleeve of the right density would snugly slide over the stem and again consume no additional space. Further, it would be nice to have a case where the stem would be placed in the center portion of the pouch so the stem would not be subject to external forces as much.

I have been looking in the direction of canvas digital camera cases. They usually have a removable shoulder strap as well and would openly pass as a small camera to a passerby so somewhat stealth in that regard. Amazon has a long list of offerings or Best Buy for stateside users.

I see a bit of staining in my chamber but no peeling yet. Wiped my chamber out with a dry Q-Tip and examined it closely with a penlight. I missed the mild staining under the use of a desklight. Hope the staining is not a prelude to peeling. I see no chipping per se.

Da Ape
 
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August West

Active Member
Just a thought....to those who are having flaking problems. I'm curious do you run your Solo's hot? What settings do you usually use it on? I'm a 3-4 user with mine and have only used 7 a couple of times to cook some concentrates and when I clean my unit.
No matter it still shouldn't be happening no matter what temp you are using but just wondering.

I'm pretty sure Arizer will step up to the plate and fix this problem. Mine still shows nothing like that but I will keep an eye out. Time will tell if this will be more widespread I guess. I'm still happy with it for now.
 
August West,
The real issue is not that we all get our defective Solos replaced, but that the new Solos don't share the same defect and continue to jeopardize our health. :2c:
 
charliedontsurf,

lwien

Well-Known Member
A fix for this seems like it would have to take place in the manufacturing process, so it may be a long time coming. It's not like a faulty part that needs to be replaced but rather something within the build and finishing process.

It's really going to be interesting to see how they address this.
 
lwien,

vape4life

Banned for life
Re: Rockwise and accessories for the Solo

There is way too much whining going around this thread in re: to Arizer ethics and Rockwise's $30 shipping. If you don't like it, don't buy it! It's not Kevin's fault that you live internationally! If you think it's too much, buy somewhere else! If he is the only one with aroma tubes, then don't buy a Solo yet! I wouldn't question Arizer's ethics either.... if you have a problem, DO NOT BUY there product, simple. If an a/c adapter is something that you must have now, then wait!
 
vape4life,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
Product is bought. You seem to have missed the concept of customer satisfaction. 'In a survey of 200 senior marketing managers 71% responded that they found a customer satisfaction metric very useful in managing and monitoring their businesses' More useful than sycophancy, I'm sure ;)
 
WatTyler,
It's not Kevin fault that Skwat doesn't live in Canada.

It is however Arizers' fault for not getting replacement stems and power adapters out to more retailers, like Puffitup and others, who do not have exorbitant prices and shipping policies.

It was also a poor decision IMO to make the PA a cost-added option. It should of been a pack-in and the total cost of the unit would of gone up like 3 dollars. It's absurd to have a group of friends clamoring for more Solo bowls and to have to shake your head and put it away, despite having access to an outlet.

Not to mention this new, flaked-coating fiasco.
 
charliedontsurf,

darkrom

Great Scott!
vape4life said:
Re: Rockwise and accessories for the Solo

There is way too much whining going around this thread in re: to Arizer ethics and Rockwise's $30 shipping. If you don't like it, don't buy it! It's not Kevin's fault that you live internationally! If you think it's too much, buy somewhere else! If he is the only one with aroma tubes, then don't buy a Solo yet! I wouldn't question Arizer's ethics either.... if you have a problem, DO NOT BUY there product, simple. If an a/c adapter is something that you must have now, then wait!

Right now this is the last thing on everyone's mind. More like what the FUCK have we been vaping with this flaking BS going on?!
 
darkrom,

Vaped Ape

MMJ Therapist specializing in gynecology~wannabe
My analytical side is showing but I was wondering about a mid-production fix that might fix the problem and still maintain the good aspects of the Solo 1.0.

First of all I think this coating that is flaking off is assumed to be Teflon and it is in place to control the sticking of material just as it does in a frying pan. I suppose that perhaps sticking was an issue in the earliest prototypes.

A couple of interventions that maybe could be looked at by Arizer.

The chamber diameter oversized .010 and a stainless sleeve pressed into place. Stainless would control the vapor moisture that might be a secondary reason Arizer used this coating but probably would not do anything to help sticking of particulates to the chamber.

In the automotive industry high temp coatings are available for several different engine internals with piston coatings first coming to mind that Mahle is famous for. I have no idea what combustion chamber temps are in a race engine but they are 3-4x greater than the Arizer level 7 temps. I have no idea if the coating is safe to vape through though but there are solutions here if Arizer wants to go after mid production fix rather than completely redesigning the existing chamber.

Da Ape
 
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