The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

A few comments on the recent gist of this thread.

- Some herb, especially sativa dominant red hairs, tend to vape orange or light brown.
- Different herbs have different optimal temperatures.
- Despite a digital readout, each EQV has its own sweet spot. Actual temperatures can differ as much as +/-5%. So, when someone posts they achieve x at y temperature you must take the characteristics of your own unit into account.

Yep, I'd say that Pappy summed it up well there.

yup the quality and strain of pot, and each unit can vary. Although pappy not all sativas have red hairs, and not all indicas dont have red hairs, nam sayin? And what do you mean sativas vape orange or light brown? Like the ABV colour? In your experience how does this vary between sativas and indicas? I would say it more varies by temperature and from strain to strain, pheno to pheno. But i agree, bottom line is different herb will vape differently.

Salty, I too started with the bag as it was the way i could first get good visible vapour. It really is pretty much fool proof if you do all the previously mentioned tips because you dont have to worry about draw speed, etc. It was probably like 3 months or so before i gave the whip a second shot. I must say i use the elbow pack - whip combo like 98% of the time now. Make sure you aren't "packing" the elbow next time you try, just the subtlest tap to keep it in there. Also, you can try to take like 2 hits or so then dump it and crumble in your hand and then repack. I never really stir an elbow pack (although many do), but i find it helps sometimes with weed that has little surface tricomes because of mishandling or whatever, or if its extra greasy weed (i mean that in a good way )

Edit: Opps forgot, just realized while vaping that i do sometimes stir the weed in an elbow just by blowing a quick puff, giving the unit a gentle shake to break pieces up, then a real quiuck hard inhale to stick it all back in there. It works i swear...

Salty said:

I guess my reasoning for warming it at 300F and vaping at 500F is in case I take longer than normal to hit it. I fear that leaving it at a higher temp for an extended amount of time will cause damage. I dont know why, I guess its just paranoia or me not fully understanding the concept. I will try your method tonight.

Also, I'm aware that vapor is significantly lighter than smoke. The issue I'm having is I see no vapor at all at lower than 500F temps. I'm still learning and experimenting, so I'm sure I'll find my sweet spot soon. Thanks for your advice SmokeNoMore.

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So I just picked up a second hand Extreme Q off of ebay, but most of the parts were still wrapped so it appears pretty close to brand new. I'm starting to think however that the reason the dude sold it (at my crazy lowball offer price) was that it doesn't get nearly hot enough. I'm letting it sit at 260C (500F) for 20 minutes and while I am getting a nice subtle buzz, it's barely turning a light brown, mostly green still, after a number of hauls.

I can't help but think this might be something as simple as the temp sensor being too close to the core of the heat source. As far as I can tell from reading through reviews and this forum, there's gotta be some sort of fudge-factor for the temperature readings at the core of the heating element. It likely would like need to be substantially hotter than 200C to get the product to that temp.

So I'm thinking if I can force a lower reading from that sensor, it should allow the feedback system to settle on a higher "real" temperature. Does anyone here have any experience moving the temp sensors? Or perhaps plopping a resistor on the sensor leads to drop the temp reading? I haven't tried opening it up yet.

I'm guessing the warranty doesn't transfer on second-hand units.

Thanks!
PMS

PsychoMcSatan said:

Salty said:

I guess my reasoning for warming it at 300F and vaping at 500F is in case I take longer than normal to hit it. I fear that leaving it at a higher temp for an extended amount of time will cause damage. I dont know why, I guess its just paranoia or me not fully understanding the concept. I will try your method tonight.

Also, I'm aware that vapor is significantly lighter than smoke. The issue I'm having is I see no vapor at all at lower than 500F temps. I'm still learning and experimenting, so I'm sure I'll find my sweet spot soon. Thanks for your advice SmokeNoMore.

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So I just picked up a second hand Extreme Q off of ebay, but most of the parts were still wrapped so it appears pretty close to brand new. I'm starting to think however that the reason the dude sold it (at my crazy lowball offer price) was that it doesn't get nearly hot enough. I'm letting it sit at 260C (500F) for 20 minutes and while I am getting a nice subtle buzz, it's barely turning a light brown, mostly green still, after a number of hauls.

I can't help but think this might be something as simple as the temp sensor being too close to the core of the heat source. As far as I can tell from reading through reviews and this forum, there's gotta be some sort of fudge-factor for the temperature readings at the core of the heating element. It likely would like need to be substantially hotter than 200C to get the product to that temp.

So I'm thinking if I can force a lower reading from that sensor, it should allow the feedback system to settle on a higher "real" temperature. Does anyone here have any experience moving the temp sensors? Or perhaps plopping a resistor on the sensor leads to drop the temp reading? I haven't tried opening it up yet.

I'm guessing the warranty doesn't transfer on second-hand units.

Thanks!
PMS

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It would still be worthwhile to contact Arizer support.

Mr. Smoke No More said:

yup the quality and strain of pot, and each unit can vary. Although pappy not all sativas have red hairs, and not all indicas dont have red hairs, nam sayin? And what do you mean sativas vape orange or light brown? Like the ABV colour? In your experience how does this vary between sativas and indicas? I would say it more varies by temperature and from strain to strain, pheno to pheno. But i agree, bottom line is different herb will vape differently.

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I knew when I wrote this it was an oversimplification. I was referring to ABV color. I have noted certain strains with gold and red hairs, mostly sativa, vape light brown or orange. It can happen with hybrids and indica too but less so in my experience. I'm still formulating an opinion but it does factor into my purchase. I'm learning what to avoid! As a general rule strains that vape darker produce more hits which is desirable.

PsychoMcSatan said:

So I just picked up a second hand Extreme Q off of ebay, but most of the parts were still wrapped so it appears pretty close to brand new. I'm starting to think however that the reason the dude sold it (at my crazy lowball offer price) was that it doesn't get nearly hot enough. I'm letting it sit at 260C (500F) for 20 minutes and while I am getting a nice subtle buzz, it's barely turning a light brown, mostly green still, after a number of hauls.

I can't help but think this might be something as simple as the temp sensor being too close to the core of the heat source. As far as I can tell from reading through reviews and this forum, there's gotta be some sort of fudge-factor for the temperature readings at the core of the heating element. It likely would like need to be substantially hotter than 200C to get the product to that temp.

So I'm thinking if I can force a lower reading from that sensor, it should allow the feedback system to settle on a higher "real" temperature. Does anyone here have any experience moving the temp sensors? Or perhaps plopping a resistor on the sensor leads to drop the temp reading? I haven't tried opening it up yet.

I'm guessing the warranty doesn't transfer on second-hand units.

Thanks!
PMS

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Tried the elbow pack method and got much better and noticeable results. Perhaps I've been a bit conservative with filling the bowl as well so it was all just jumping around in the cyclone and not getting all that hot.

Less stoned, more high, so it crept up on me a bit.

Will experiment more tomorrow.

-PMS

Sorry to be a stickler pappy, i know what you mean.

Psycho, it has nothing to do with the temp sensor. When i had my unit apart, i noticed the temp sensors are actually probes inside the ceramic heater, you cant move them, and I wouldnt try. If you touuch the bowl, is it hot at 260? It should be. Honestly i think your unit is fine (from your last post) and you just need to try again. "Less stoned, more high..." I fell this is the general effect of vaping in comparison to smoking. A vapour high is kind of a creeper too. There have been a lot of tips posted in the page before this trying to help salty. Try em out and tell us what happens.

well my q fell down luckily no dmg yet,but the cyclone bowl now seems stuck to the heating element and its very hard to get it off,i dont want to use to much force,dont wanna break it .
I can turn it slightly though but doesnt seem to get unstuck that way.
anyone got any advice ?

Sorry to hear about it Lemmiwinks. There's pages worth of advice a few pages back and throughout the thread, I know this has happened to a couple other people on this thread recently. Best of luck.

yay got it off,i let a fan blow on it for couple minutes seemed to do the trick

Nice, if it happens again, dont twist it, this is can break the heater cover

Has anyone here ever come across the ER2 error along with a continuous beeping?

Also I only bought my EQ 3 week's ago via ebay, I am sure the warranty stand's, any confirmation would be sound.

Also the seller has offered to repair it for me but I would rather not have the warranty void if the seller doesn't know what they are doing.

Apart from the error this machine is the dog's, everyone of my friends who has tried it want's one, everytime I vape I get such a clear lovely high and I mean everytime, whilst my friend's tolerance to this is abysmal, everytime they vape they are off there rocker's lol, also I use only 2 grams a day on this thing and I only vape from 190c - 210c, really gutted about being out of action although I will have a MFLB in the next 2 days to keep me going whilst this gets repaired

lhodgy sounds like u want tu contact arizer email or call number in manual 4 warranty support

OK, so I've come to the conclusion that I do not know how to draw properly from the whip. When using the bag, or fan assited whip, I get completely ripped. When I try to draw on my own, nothing. I've got to get the hang of this thing. I've been bagging 95% of the time, as its what seems to work for me right now. I spent all weekend vaked, and most if not all consumption was from the bag. Man, I love that thing..... Also, G13 vapes very nicely. Its weird tho, the AVB from G13 looks like a orange color to me, which would contrast what Pappy wrote above. G13 if I remember correctly is a Indica, but Pappy said Sativas vape to a orangy color...... Hmmm.

My EQ is coming tomorrow...and as an original Extreme (v.3) owner, any last minute things I should know before firing it up? I have read that while my original Extreme optimal temperature was 190C, my EQ may (and probably will) be higher. Anyone else make the upgrade and wish they had known _____?

Salty said:

OK, so I've come to the conclusion that I do not know how to draw properly from the whip. When using the bag, or fan assited whip, I get completely ripped. When I try to draw on my own, nothing. I've got to get the hang of this thing. I've been bagging 95% of the time, as its what seems to work for me right now. I spent all weekend vaked, and most if not all consumption was from the bag. Man, I love that thing..... Also, G13 vapes very nicely. Its weird tho, the AVB from G13 looks like a orange color to me, which would contrast what Pappy wrote above. G13 if I remember correctly is a Indica, but Pappy said Sativas vape to a orangy color...... Hmmm.

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Clarification in post 1306

So I am getting the hang of this thing and I'm definitely impressed. Contrary to many other's observations, I'm finding that I'm needing to use a bit more than I'm used to. But in a good way because I'm no longer getting that disfunctional stoned that made me have to quit after one joint lately.

I'm still not 100% convinced that my temps are as high as they should be, but using the elbow method described somewhere in these forums, I am much more successful.

Out of curiousity, I attached a power meter I had lying around and found that it draws about 60W when it's below the desired temp, then it settles out at about 20W for 200C and closer to 30W for 300C. It seems that as time passes, that equilibrium power drops slowly, likely as the surrounding material heats up. After about 10 minutes at 200C, I noticed the draw was down to 14W. Perhaps that reading can help me decide when she's properly primed for use.

I think I may have a high temperature probe somewhere as well so I might set that up to get air temp up in the elbow. I'm still wondering whether that air might have to be a good bit higher than say 200C to get your product up to that temp.

Anyway, I'm off to do some more "experimenting".

-PMS

ShadowLink12 said:

My EQ is coming tomorrow...and as an original Extreme (v.3) owner, any last minute things I should know before firing it up? I have read that while my original Extreme optimal temperature was 190C, my EQ may (and probably will) be higher. Anyone else make the upgrade and wish they had known _____?

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Yup, i was locked in at 175 on my v3 but when i got my Q and set it to this temp i was like wtf, this thing is bunk. Found this sweet spot to be at 195 on my Q, 20C higher. Also make sure to run the unit for a while on max heat to burn of any packing oils.

PsychoMcSatan said:

Out of curiousity, I attached a power meter I had lying around and found that it draws about 60W when it's below the desired temp, then it settles out at about 20W for 200C and closer to 30W for 300C. It seems that as time passes, that equilibrium power drops slowly, likely as the surrounding material heats up. After about 10 minutes at 200C, I noticed the draw was down to 14W. Perhaps that reading can help me decide when she's properly primed for use.

I think I may have a high temperature probe somewhere as well so I might set that up to get air temp up in the elbow. I'm still wondering whether that air might have to be a good bit higher than say 200C to get your product up to that temp.

Anyway, I'm off to do some more "experimenting".

-PMS

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Welcome to FC. We love scientific results, do inform.

Are we closer to being able to use volcano bags on the EQ?

http://www.vapeworld.com/vaporizer-...-vaporizer-water-pipe-adapter-easy-valve-only

As some of you may note from previous posts, I really want a valve system on the extreme bag, because bags are for groups of people, that is the only time I use them, and passing while covering the opening is not the best system. With this item couldn't you just get a 18mm to 14mm adapter, throw it on the top of the extreme and attach a volcano bag using this device?

My only concern is whether or not the bag can fill with this device attached, I don't really know how the cano bags work, does someone want to enlighten me?

An experiment gone good! Today I attached an Extreme elbow and mouthpiece to a 7th Floor silicone tube and it worked like a charm, despite initial reservations. The inner dimension is 3/8" versus 2/8" on Arizer's stock tube. My fear was the differential would impact suction or leak vapor, neither of which appears true. The parts attach more loosely -- but not too loosely -- and the fit is air tight!

The extra 1/8" of airway is an added perk, producing fuller milkier hits. The three biggest raps on Arizer's tubing -- too tight so elbow breaks, too stiff, too narrow -- are all addressed by 7th Floor tubing. Plus it's inexpensive ($14.50 for 20 feet) and comes in several cool colors. Please don't squeeze my Charmin!

The only downside I can cite is the 7th Floor tube is about an ounce heavier per yard and a bit more unwieldy because it's more flexible (a good thing). Is there any good news for Da Buddha and Silver Surfer users? Yeah, baby! I know several DBV users who complain the mouthpiece is cumbersome. Well, try an Arizer mouthpiece, it's sleeker.

7th Floor link > http://silversurfervap.com/accessories/surfer-accessories/replacement-hose-3.html

Good news so I'm double posting! An experiment gone good! Today I attached an Extreme elbow and mouthpiece to a 7th Floor silicone tube and it worked like a charm, despite initial reservations. The inner dimension is 3/8" versus 2/8" on Arizer's stock tube. My fear was the differential would impact suction or leak vapor, neither of which appears true. The parts attach more loosely -- but not too loosely -- and the fit is air tight!

An extra 1/8" of airway is an added perk, producing fuller milkier hits. The three biggest raps on Arizer's tubing -- too tight so the elbow breaks, too stiff, too narrow -- are all addressed by 7th Floor tubing. Plus it's inexpensive ($14.50 for 20 feet) and comes in several cool colors. Please don't squeeze my Charmin!

The only downside I can cite is the 7th Floor tube is about an ounce heavier. Is there any good news for Da Buddha and Silver Surfer users? Yes! I know several DBV users who complain the mouthpiece is cumbersome. Well, try an Arizer mouthpiece, it's sleeker.

Pappy said:

Good news so I'm double posting! An experiment gone good! Today I attached an Extreme elbow and mouthpiece to a 7th Floor silicone tube and it worked like a charm, despite initial reservations. The inner dimension is 3/8" versus 2/8" on Arizer's stock tube. My fear was the differential would impact suction or leak vapor, neither of which appears true. The parts attach more loosely -- but not too loosely -- and the fit is air tight!

An extra 1/8" of airway is an added perk, producing fuller milkier hits. The three biggest raps on Arizer's tubing -- too tight so the elbow breaks, too stiff, too narrow -- are all addressed by 7th Floor tubing. Plus it's inexpensive ($14.50 for 20 feet) and comes in several cool colors. Please don't squeeze my Charmin!

The only downside I can cite is the 7th Floor tube is about an ounce heavier. Is there any good news for Da Buddha and Silver Surfer users? Yes! I know several DBV users who complain the mouthpiece is cumbersome. Well, try an Arizer mouthpiece, it's sleeker.

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Can you pm me a link to the tubing please pappy - can't find it. thanks

Psycho, the power draw is the greatest when the fan is on, and when the unit it first heating up. Did u see how much power the fan draws? I would love to hear your results with the temperature probe if u ever get to it.

Pappy do u notice a significant taste improvement with the silicone?