Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

[KeroZen]

The batteries in particular are authentic Sony vtc4's, they are 2100mah but 30a continuous drain, typically used in mods.

Yes those will work indeed, and won't be stressed too much. They'll surely have a longer life, being less solicited, but you'll get a slightly lower capacity compared to the 2500's and 2900's that we can use too.

 

[Shit Snacks]

To fit in the Zion/Milaana bowl, the 18mm joint must be 7/8 inches long. I had an ISO cut down to that and it fits very well now (the inner diameter is just too wide is the issue there)

 

[Stu]

I had an ISO cut down to that and it fits very well now

Out of curiosity, how did you have it cut down?

 

[AJS]

Out of curiosity, how did you have it cut down?

Scissors

...I've been curious too

 

[slatihe]

Why not put a stirrer/tamping tool in the milaana? Should be able to figure a spot out where it could slide in and out np.

Similar to how the mighty stores it's little tool....

Course you could probably fab up something with magnets or Velcro too I guess.

Just a thought.

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@AJS
Most glass blowers I've known and watched (including the ones I've just watched, but did not know) use a torch. (Oxy-propane) Narrow the flame to a tiny point, weld (maybe not best term, stamp?) a handle rod to other end, then cut by turning it in the super small flame. Basically.

Maybe I could dig up a video some where.

Also:
Score, brake, flame polish.

Grind, flame polish.

Cut, flame polish.

Kinda like skinning a bunny, or building a boat, or skinning something other then a bunny. Some approaches would be easier/more applicable to some situations more/better then others... For example thick vs this walls?shape? Etc.

Also when cutting glass/other method of cold working glass, a lot people use tape and/or water, from what I've personally seen. The tape help to get the tool an initial bite and also helps to prevent flaking and chipping... Water well obviously cleans away debris, but can't remember the other reasons it was recommended as I don't think one needs to worry too much about heat... And this mostly for drilling largish holes with a hand drill and bit... Not too professional like, but worked grate for them. (I just tapped/flaked the holes I needed for my incense bottles back in the day as it was a bit tricky for me to figure out the hand drill... Kinda like making an arrow head.)

Most cold techniques are usually small slits, most holes usually a poked'n stirred or pooped, possibly with a small glass straw...

Again, that's just the small segment of the glass working community I've witnessed. Lots of possibilities out there.

Vvv Video vv links V

Cold cutting demo via Dremmel tool.

Three cutting methods; (2 actually, second one is same tool in a jig basically... Like s pipe cutter)
1) Flame cutting with string.
2) score, heat and contact to brake
3) two but with fancy jig tool.
Clever idea using expansion and contacting to make the brake for you, could also just gently brake unwanted end off instead if scored right, though takes a lil' bit of practice.

Torch cutting glass rods, then retatching (welding) back together, tutorial/class.
Could try and find more if interested.

Using a lathe and small flame.

Sorry all, can't embed properly... But hopefully you get a good idea of the many possibilities out there. Most all "cold" work would probably need torch "polishing"/"annieling"(sp?) to smooth/round the edges and for strength/integrity... So I've been told, and kiln-is best.

Thanks for reading, Sorry so long...
Cheers!

 

[Shit Snacks]

Out of curiosity, how did you have it cut down?

I had three adapters made custom by one of our glass blowing members here, he had to cut the ISO joints bc he didn't know there was another type (as said before, many don't apparently), but some blowers can/do source US joints. No idea how he did it, but I have a bent mouthpiece from ALT and it was also too long and tapered ISO (photos in Zion thread) so RBT actually has it and will eventually grind it down when theres time, with what he uses to make the medium and short stems, he also flame polishes them afterwards.

Why not put a stirrer/tamping tool in the milaana? Should be able to figure a spot out where it could slide in and out np.

Similar to how the mighty stores it's little tool....

Course you could probably fab up something with magnets or Velcro too I guess.

Just a thought.

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@AJS
Most glass blowers I've known and watched (including the ones I've just watched, but did not know) use a torch. (Oxy-propane) Narrow the flame to a tiny point, weld (maybe not best term, stamp?) a handle rod to other end, then cut by turning it in the super small flame. Basically.

Maybe I could dig up a video some where.

Also:
Score, brake, flame polish.

Grind, flame polish.

Cut, flame polish.

Kinda like skinning a bunny, or building a boat, or skinning something other then a bunny. Some approaches would be easier/more applicable to some situations more/better then others... For example thick vs this walls?shape? Etc.

Also when cutting glass/other method of cold working glass, a lot people use tape and/or water, from what I've personally seen. The tape help to get the tool an initial bite and also helps to prevent flaking and chipping... Water well obviously cleans away debris, but can't remember the other reasons it was recommended as I don't think one needs to worry too much about heat... And this mostly for drilling largish holes with a hand drill and bit... Not too professional like, but worked grate for them. (I just tapped/flaked the holes I needed for my incense bottles back in the day as it was a bit tricky for me to figure out the hand drill... Kinda like making an arrow head.)

Most cold techniques are usually small slits, most holes usually a poked'n stirred or pooped, possibly with a small glass straw...

Again, that's just the small segment of the glass working community I've witnessed. Lots of possibilities out there.

Vvv Video vv links V

Cold cutting demo via Dremmel tool.

Three cutting methods; (2 actually, second one is same tool in a jig basically... Like s pipe cutter)
1) Flame cutting with string.
2) score, heat and contact to brake
3) two but with fancy jig tool.
Clever idea using expansion and contacting to make the brake for you, could also just gently brake unwanted end off instead if scored right, though takes a lil' bit of practice.

Torch cutting glass rods, then retatching (welding) back together, tutorial/class.
Could try and find more if interested.

Using a lathe and small flame.

Sorry all, can't embed properly... But hopefully you get a good idea of the many possibilities out there. Most all "cold" work would probably need torch "polishing"/"annieling"(sp?) to smooth/round the edges and for strength/integrity... So I've been told, and kiln-is best.

Thanks for reading, Sorry so long...
Cheers!

To make a stir slot that holds a stirrer tight is too difficult given the project parameters i believe. In Zion it has the lid so it doesn't matter that it fits loose. In Milaana it would surely fall out all the time anyway without a lid, and since the design is mostly finalized I don't think you'll see one until maybe a version2... Remember this is just bare bones Zion heater tech with one battery small and cheap as possible (asofnow). Think of it like its your lighter, heat source, then the glass stem is actually your piece. So a good stem holder that can carry a stirrer will be best anyway imo (though I wish it was all one package like Zion, maybe some day something like that can exist here, but not for a while, not unless these do well as is first)

 

[Fat Freddy]

To make a stir slot that holds a stirrer tight is too difficult given the project parameters i believe. In Zion it has the lid so it doesn't matter that it fits loose. In Milaana it would surely fall out all the time anyway without a lid, and since the design is mostly finalized I don't think you'll see one until maybe a version2... Remember this is just bare bones Zion heater tech with one battery small and cheap as possible (asofnow). Think of it like its your lighter, heat source, then the glass stem is actually your piece. So a good stem holder that can carry a stirrer will be best anyway imo (though I wish it was all one package like Zion, maybe some day something like that can exist here, but not for a while, not unless these do well as is first)

Well....do we have any FC members who do leather work that might be able to do a leather jacket or sleeve for the Milaana that could accommodate the stem and stir stick?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Well....do we have any FC members who do leather work that might be able to do a leather jacket or sleeve for the Milaana that could accommodate the stem and stir stick?

@Ratchett did connect with some for his GH case... I think that would be super nice, a little leather wallet. I am still holding out hope for an eventual dugout though as well, but a wallet that held everything together would be great

 

[fluffhead]

A @Ratchett leather case for the Milaana would be sweet. So would a stand that could hold the milaana, two batteries, and a couple of stems. I wonder what else would make sense...

As for the US/ISO, my personal experience has been that I got one from dhgate that is US and one that is actually in between but closer to US. As well, I just ordered a 18mm m2m from @PlanetVape that is also US. They told me that US is generally what they have so at least we know one good source for adapters. Based on the email that @RastaBuddhaTao posted from a non-FC customer, I purchased the vortex adapter to see if it makes a difference. Once I have my Milaana or Zion (whichever gets here first) I will post my findings on that adapter.

 

[slatihe]

Well I'm not asking for a stir/tamp tool...
Just seems to be a very common request/want/concern.

I've always been well satisfied with a properly sized safety pin(s). They work grate, super cheap, and you can pin them to most anything so they are always right there in reach. Or just empty on a paper/magazine and revac to mix.

MY request would be to ,pretty please, bring back the reversible glass LED. Was a real selling point for me....way back when... thought it was rather pretty, and neat feature...But it's not a bigy. just pretty.

But your right, @Shit Snacks being wood it may be tricky to do a secure slide in friction fit slot, but I've seen plenty wooden sheaths to know it's possible. Though it would take some time to figure out and implement... So not very practical as I wouldn't want to wait for it, personally, but a good idea to think about. It could also screw into the body.

A faster / easier way would be to just embed a strong lil magnet to firmly hold a L shaped tool against side/bottom... Maybe in an indent/recess?

Maybe a lanyard hole would work for people?

I don't see anything wrong with a keychain though, and it would be by far the easiest way to implement a quality tool.

Just some ideas of how a stir/tamp tool might be attached to the main unit, as seems to be a popular concern.... Just chatting here. Not too serous over here. Not really asking for implementation or anything. I'm happy. Sorry sick day, so feeling very bored and a bit chatty.

 

[Choughed]

MY request would be to ,pretty please, bring back the reversible glass LED. Was a real selling point for me....way back when... thought it was rather pretty, and neat feature...But it's not a bigy. just pretty.

Plus one! Either way, the website really needs to be updated to reflect the changes. I just can't buy little Mi (actually loving the abbreviated name!) if the description isn't even correct.. The exchange rate is taking a turn for the better lately.. But I can't quite hit the buy button, and I have to admit, that's the only reason why not.

 

[AJS]

Is Milaana pronounce Mee-Laana or M-eye-lana or mih-lana
...and is Mi pronounce Me or My

 

[slatihe]

Has stacked 18350's been tested? That's one beastly idea, if the heater can take it, IMO.

That and an ecig tank look-a-like mouth piece. Super stealth, that would be the bees knees. Would not expect that to be included in the kit or even released at the same time... But a dang good idea for an add on accessory.

@Choughed
Personally I wouldn't base buying or not buying souly on an led light...

BUT it did look super cool IMO. So could totally understand... You got plenty of time to think it over.

 

[killick]

I was thinking that the light would be kinda nifty at first, but then remembered the bright light off the LED on the Inhalater that I wound up taping over... you could read a book by it out here in the country. So maybe a bit of a gimmick, but not something I'm likely to use unless signalling SAR some dark and stormy night... If I were in that situation and had battery left I'd rather be vaping...

 

[grokit]

little Mi (actually loving the abbreviated name!)

Is Milaana pronounce Mee-Laana or M-eye-lana or mih-lana
...and is Mi pronounce Me or My

Mion?

 

[slatihe]

Wow... Didn't realize we were so close to launch. Hopefully be the end of the month? Next day shipping next month?

Nice!

@killick I would agree with you, but you didn't have to use it with the LED on. Just put the battery in the other way round and you'd be vaping light free. That's why it was so cool, IMO.

So it's not an issue if you wanted too use it with the led off. No needed tape'n or anything else was required. Worked either way you liked it... Sos-ing on dark night as wanted, or hiding out in shadows instead.

I just really liked the way the LED Was positioned under the joint to lite up the glass and vape kinda like a Smokey light saber saber look... Made me think of silent bob and j with the bong man movie thing but micro and not a lite saber.

It's a novelty, yes. Just very attractive one to me personally. I really liked the neat shiny and clever implementation.

Tend to be a sucker for the shiny things...

 

[MrPeanut]

Is Milaana pronounce Mee-Laana or M-eye-lana or mih-lana
...and is Mi pronounce Me or My

Mee-laa-na

 

[killick]

@slatihe Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not against it from a LCF (Look Cool Factor) perspective. I'm a huge gadget junkie from way back, which is why I try to have a more analytical perspective on these things. Yes, kinda cool. It still does it's intended function sans light, so I can live with it. Plus less shiny things means less things to fail

 

[MrPeanut]

Using the LED adds solder joints, the LED itself and the labor to do it. Milaana is all about the bare essentials. Part of Milaana's beauty is how easy it is for them to assembled. It is a small very powerful vape that is also affordable. The ideas for units with all of the bells and whistles are always rattling around in the brain of RBT's but keep it simple is RBT way for now.

 

[nondarb]

Yes those will work indeed, and won't be stressed too much. They'll surely have a longer life, being less solicited, but you'll get a slightly lower capacity compared to the 2500's and 2900's that we can use too.

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

I've got three pages of battery nonsense pulled up, the bulk of which is still Greek to me.

Scissors

...I've been curious too

I've seen glaziers cut in thin panes of glass with scissors underwater! Its pretty wild, theres also some videos on YT iirc.

I've cut glass with a dremel but wouldn't suggest it.. No matter what if anyone plans to cut/grind glass they should wear a respirator or at the very least a dustmask. Powdered glass is very dangerous to inhale, I'm sure we all know that but with all this glass cutting and grinding talk I felt it need to be said.

It's a novelty, yes. Just very attractive one to me personally. I really liked the neat shiny and clever implementation.

I feel the same way, watching the illuminated vapor tumble around would of been very cool. I understand him wanting to streamline manufacturing on this one though, im hoping for a fully decked out version in the future. Hopefully with some onboard storage of some sort.

Love the ecig type MP idea, the zion tech seems to produce some super thick vapor that would look pretty passable. The similar method of use with the firing button and near instant results lend itself near perfectly to such an illusion. Soon I'll have some gutted tanks laying about, I may have to give this a go come 'Lana.

leather jacket or sleeve for the Milaana

Oh man, somehow this hadn't even occurred to me. A little bit of elastic or sleave on the side to hold the stem when not in use, maybe a pocket for a doob tube and stir stick? Lots of possibilities...

 

[slatihe]

It's ok guys, not going to ask for a refund over the light! Lol.

I just thought it was very clever and looked grate.

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Your right, @MrPeanut, it would defiantly add labour and difficulty to production, for sure and with out doubt... And that all the added time is likely why it got removed.

Would disagree with the cost of an LED being a real issue though...
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That's pretty much it right there @killick
It's not needed at all but it's a very nice EXTRA touch.

I believe the LED was wired in parallel to heater, and, if I remember correctly, I think LED's fail open; this would take that leg out the circuit... So all power would go to heater.

They are also pretty dang reliable and relatively inexpensive.

And that's why I liked it so much. Super clever!

Just saying I liked it and it's the only thing I'd ask to be changed about it. That's all guys.

It's all chill.
Would still do it again.
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[Fat Freddy]

Oh man, somehow this hadn't even occurred to me. A little bit of elastic or sleave on the side to hold the stem when not in use, maybe a pocket for a doob tube and stir stick? Lots of possibilities...

THINK: Vaporizer Bandolier

One could easily and economically modify one of these, or similar one, to create sort of a "universal bandoloier" that would fit many of our wider-sized vapes.

http://tinyurl.com/jqt4l55

 

[vapen00b]

Wow... Didn't realize we were so close to launch. Hopefully be the end of the month? Next day shipping next month?

Nice!

@killick I would agree with you, but you didn't have to use it with the LED on. Just put the battery in the other way round and you'd be vaping light free. That's why it was so cool, IMO.

So it's not an issue if you wanted too use it with the led off. No needed tape'n or anything else was required. Worked either way you liked it... Sos-ing on dark night as wanted, or hiding out in shadows instead.

I just really liked the way the LED Was positioned under the joint to lite up the glass and vape kinda like a Smokey light saber saber look... Made me think of silent bob and j with the bong man movie thing but micro and not a lite saber.

It's a novelty, yes. Just very attractive one to me personally. I really liked the neat shiny and clever implementation.

Tend to be a sucker for the shiny things...

Check out the Apollo. Lots of light

 

[killick]

So I have a 3 day 'old gits' get together at a fishing lodge, about 2 hours from here, in the middle of summer. The place is beyond rustic - cabins made of trees the original owner cut down in the 30s, BYO water and coolers, propane stoves from the 50s that have had a very rough life provide the cooking. A set of bunk beds, a queen bed, a single light bulb and very spotty 'grey' power to a single plug in make up the rest of it. The door keeps dogs from getting in, but the mice have been there forever. The wives never come, so we all get out there and talk about the time when we weren't all smashed up. A great place! Anyways I was thinking about bringing an inverter or something along to charge batts, but then realized 'Lana will be here by then, and surely I can get 3 days out of 4 batteries? And if not I can charge a set one morning while still relatively sane.

Last year one of the guys couldn't remember where he was staying. We found him in a shrub in front of our cabin... Another was sleeping on the trunk of his car. He remembers sitting down on the bumper for a smoke, and woke up with a cat sitting on his chest...

Maybe bringing anything with glass isn't such a good idea?

 

[Vapenvy]

Hi everyone,

I pretty much haven't visited this thread since i slapped my money down back in sept last year. Thought i'd stay away to temper the excitement.

Now i hear rumblings that the little guy is all grown up...a name, a beta and maybe even a release soon. Wow. Thought i could hang back until after Zion was all done and dusted before getting in on the 'what i want in my little vape' merry-go-round.

Typical me, though, since this was the one that moved me from lurker to member so i could contribute. Good job, dude...well done me...

MY request would be to ,pretty please, bring back the reversible glass LED. Was a real selling point for me....way back when... thought it was rather pretty, and neat feature...But it's not a bigy. just pretty.

I am with @slatihe on this one.

Seeing pics of that LED was what pushed me over the edge back in the dark ages, so i am also sad to hear that it is no longer a feature. I agree it was a bit of a gimmick, but what a gimmick... and able to be switched off, so the perfect gimmick. Oh well. I'll live.

Now, i jotted down some 'wish list' notes in my phone way back when so i am gonna include them now before i go back and catch up on this thread. Please be gentle with me as after months of development, these will likely be completely batty, have been debated and discarded, possibly implimented(unlikely).... but all very likely laughably naive.

Thus for you amusement and entertainment, here goes...

-coloured or wood stem = stealth
-stealth stem attachment. Stud or removable leather strap.
-if a press stud was used to attach the stem (for storage/travel) the vape would have the stud, and the hole on the stem could double as a carb hole (particularly for a wong for all of you who want to attach everything to glass)
-no onboard stash means it stays clean and has deniability. Eg, you toss the stem if the fuzz ruin your buzz and the vape is just a gadget.
-stir built into chamber.... (yeah, I don't know what I meant either...)

Anyway, now i'm going back...way back...to september 2015 (but keeping a close eye on the now this time...)