VaporGenie

DevoTheStrange

Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
still waiting for a second reply. I replied that I did not touch my filter, which they suggested is the problem with my vaporgenie. Since I did not touch my ceramic filter I would like a better explanation as too why it appears thinner than it once was.
 
DevoTheStrange,

DevoTheStrange

Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
sent them some pics, got a reply back.
"the filter is not getting thinner. It is moving up and down inside the wooden top piece. this is normal. The filter is designed to be loose inside the wooden top piece."

also recommended i no longer use Bic's.. switch too a piezo type lighter.
 
DevoTheStrange,

aero18

vaporist
minnesnowta said:
How many hits do you guys get outta a bowl typically?? I'm thinkin I'm gonna swoop on a genie for snowboarding this winter because I was thinkin I could pack one in my car, throw it in my pocket and hit it on the lift up when I'm not ridding the rope. I was down to the genie and the flight box but I don't really want to have any glass at all on me. Falling and getting stabbed does not seem like a good time
Go for the Launch Box. Wind can make using the VaporGenie a very frustrating experience.
 
aero18,

MoeOnTheMoon

Medical Marijuana Activist
Company Rep
Yes, for outside use where there MIGHT be wind, I'd recommend the Launch Box instead. Also, it's more discreet than the VG. Be aware, though, that you get lighter hits with the Launch Box than with the VG. But on very fresh batteries (get your own, get the best batteries and charger available, not the ones that come with the LB) you get substantially big hits with the LB. Ideally about 6 batteries is a good amount to have, to rotate and keep charged, imho.
 
MoeOnTheMoon,

WesWeed

Well-Known Member
I believe them about the SiC. They use that stuff in high-end fishing rod guides, although they polish it smooth instead of making it spongy. It's really, really hard stuff. Flame resistant, too...the steel it's framed in will melt long before anything happens to the SiC.

I'd believe the VG guys on this one.

Another thing that might be a factor is color change. It's possible that as the filter is used, the color changes slightly, and that that change combined with soot buildup on the inside of the pipe kind of distorts the view, making it appear shallower or deeper.
 
WesWeed,

Jikaboom123

Well-Known Member
WOW LOL

I did not realize how heavily I have been using my VG until I took the screen off.


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:D
 
Jikaboom123,

Jikaboom123

Well-Known Member
I scraped with a stirtool that came with my VaporWarez. Pretty easy and lemme tell you, the stuff you scrape out gets you really stoned.
 
Jikaboom123,

Rin101

Well-Known Member
Ah, I had never thought to save the dark brown stuff underneath the screen. I clean mine out every few months and it usually looks like that :p

On the subject of the ceramic filter shrinking, I just compared my old wooden VaporGenie to a couple brand new, unused VaporGenies, and the ceramic filter is in the exact same spot on all 3. They are all about 1/8 of an inch below the line in the metal part of the top piece..if that makes sense. The used filter is almost the same color as the new filters because I use a torch lighter so there's no soot
 
Rin101,

flanman

Well-Known Member
Jikaboom123 said:
I scraped with a stirtool that came with my VaporWarez. Pretty easy and lemme tell you, the stuff you scrape out gets you really stoned.
hmm i know what i'll be vaping tonight:brow:
 
flanman,

cloud satur9

Well-Known Member
1st post, hi. gonna make it a mega post, natch:

been lurking for a good while, and thought i'd throw my bit into this discussion, since i adore my VG. that, plus i really appreciated the info in this thread when i was first learning to use my sexy little handcarved ally (i've got the darkest one offered -- walnut, i believe; so handsome).

i have a little ritual i got into doing when i first got my VG. i light a beeswax candle, hit the lights, unwind a tangle of beeline hemp wick from the thick spool (i find the regular-width wick to be too thin for a good consistent flame) for that sitting (it does become like a meditation of sorts), make a nice little coil of wick to wind around my finger, and get to work.

at first i began with very little ganja in the bowl, but later i began to use full bowls and still am able to vape all the material with no problem. i actually tend to burn it more when there's less green to work with. p.s. the handcarved VGs have deeper bowls than the knobby ones, but i think you wouldn't necessarily need that, since you now need a lot less plant than with smoking.

a few things i've noticed:

= once you get the hang of not combusting and knowing how deep to let the flame dip to get a tasty hit, it's not so hard to try a whole budlet in your bowl, rather than grinding first (though i do both). if i don't feel like grinding, i can just vape one or two good pulls, open it up and crunch up the now slightly crispy intact bud really easily with my thumb or a guitar pick/other tool, releasing a whole lot more of the good vibrant green whirlygigs. then, it's vape, stir once more, last vape and we're cashed. amazing vapor and a bowl that lasts; by the time it's cashed (one bowl!), i'm feeling it a lot or less so, depending on the qualities of my current medicine. but either way, unless my pipe needs a cleanin', i'm well on my way to feeling it nicely.

= as others have mentioned, it's a kajillion times easier using beeline hemp wick (which i much prefer to the ital hemp wick sold on the VG site) to control the flame size. contrary to others' vapestylez, i do let the flame enter the bowl, and slightly smaller than an inch of flame does seem to be a good size for me. my boyfriend's experience echoes mine on this. as long as i pull long and slow, no apparent combustion takes place (i.e., the herb is now pale green to hay-colored and isn't a big char pit). i have to pay attention, though, not to let too much wick ash get into the heating bowl of the pipe or else it's time to clean 'er up again way too soon.

= not to get all woo-woo on you, but there's no way i'd use a lighter for my needs, b/c, personal quirks here, but a pipe seems like more of an earthy personal friend kind of affair, and that goes better with less distance between me and what i'm aiming to do. a flame directly in my hand that i kind of interact with is way cool. it's actually made this whole process much more of a contemplative and nuanced experience, which i appreciate, but it doesn't have to eat up much time if i don't have it to spare. then, another plus: there's no icky taste and flint issues w/ beeline's organic hemp and organic beeswax, rather than a funky plastic lighter with its liquid chemicals that i have to replace all the time. organic hemp, y'know. that's already what i'm up to. so...

= the only downside to using my VG is, when you've got a serious case of bronchitis after a cold, make sure you've got an alternate means of getting your daily dose(s) besides your VG, b/c i've been unable to vape at all lately without inviting more pulmonary misery (though i do have asthma as well). and i've had to scramble to make a tincture or some edibles to be able to take my medicine at all, or i've just gone without (which, as you know, suuuucks). meaning, other vaporizers may be more gentle, i'm thinking, if only for the physical distance that a whip supplies, etc. b/c a pipe is right there feeding you the heated vapor. i just don't gotz a different vaporizer i can use!

ok, there's my piece for now; hope it added to the general convo.

have fun with your VGs, folks (sounds dirty)!

;>)

also, p. p. s. i don't work in this industry or for any of these companies, nor do i know anyone who does; alas, this is but one (wistful) customer's thoughts at the moment...
 
cloud satur9,

cloud satur9

Well-Known Member
hey, wait. it occurs to me that the discrepancy in vapestylez as they pertain to flame size and making good use of the VG -- whether you let the flame dip in or not, and how much -- has to do with the different types of flames each fire tool provides.

beeswax burns hotter than some other fuels. you can feel this w/r/t just melted beeswax on skin vs. other melted waxes. you can see this when you can make a flame leap from a lit beeswax candle, say, to a hemp wick without them being in any kind of visible contact with each other, contrasted to the flame of a paraffin candle, maybe. but one of those insane fire shooting hissy lighters has a similar issue -- lots of invisible flame beyond the shimmering blue flame.

maybe once you learn the invisible flame size of the fire object you're using, success w/ the VG is significantly improved. and i believe that's why some friends (smokers) are difficult to enable w/r/t getting them turned on to using a VG, since combustion is all about the burn and nothing but burn. no finesse required. same with other heat elements used in other vaporizers. with those, who cares where the flame ends and where it might be invisible, y'know? it won't affect the experience. with the VG, i think it will.

k, that's it for now. /random spewing thoughts
 
cloud satur9,

sundaddy

Well-Known Member
cloud satur9 said:
the only downside to using my VG is, when you've got a serious case of bronchitis after a cold, make sure you've got an alternate means of getting your daily dose(s) besides your VG, b/c i've been unable to vape at all lately without inviting more pulmonary misery (though i do have asthma as well). and i've had to scramble to make a tincture or some edibles to be able to take my medicine at all, or i've just gone without (which, as you know, suuuucks). meaning, other vaporizers may be more gentle, i'm thinking, if only for the physical distance that a whip supplies, etc. b/c a pipe is right there feeding you the heated vapor. i just don't gotz a different vaporizer i can use!.
I got bronchitis from mine this past summer, I had to use a lung full of air just to prime it, only on the 2nd try do I get a hit. I ended up being so out of breath, and when you do get a hit, it's so much vapor it's a recipe for bronchitis. The Magic Flight Launch Box is awesome, and I would highly recommend you getting one especially if you've got asthma. It's such a smooth hit (never leaves you breathless). I even prefer it over my Iolite. I can take it wherever I go and get a stealthy hit in 10 seconds, even sitting at my table in a restaurant. I wouldn't have believed that it would be my favorite of the 3 vapes, but it is.
 
sundaddy,

MoeOnTheMoon

Medical Marijuana Activist
Company Rep
cloud satur9 said:
= the only downside to using my VG is, when you've got a serious case of bronchitis after a cold, make sure you've got an alternate means of getting your daily dose(s) besides your VG, b/c i've been unable to vape at all lately without inviting more pulmonary misery (though i do have asthma as well). and i've had to scramble to make a tincture or some edibles to be able to take my medicine at all, or i've just gone without (which, as you know, suuuucks). meaning, other vaporizers may be more gentle, i'm thinking, if only for the physical distance that a whip supplies, etc. b/c a pipe is right there feeding you the heated vapor. i just don't gotz a different vaporizer i can use!
Hi, I too have lung issues, and I find that vaping through a water pipe really helps. See my post on using the vapor genie with a water pipe a few pages or so ? back, with photo. I bought some food grade vinyl and used some parts from an old water pipe to create a way to run my VG and LB vapor through water, and now I'm adjusting it to my MZ. Water really helps moisturize and cool the vapor. Some will argue that running vapor through water loses some of the potency but I certainly have not noticed any loss, and even if there were some loss, I'd go with the cooler, moister vapor which causes less irritation to my lungs and throat! ;)
 
MoeOnTheMoon,

cav

Well-Known Member
-does anyone know if using a bic lighter is okay even if you light it away from the bowl?
-and how do you get rid of the red/orange tint of the filter? im not sure why its still orange, i tried pouring hot water on it to get it off, it didn't work.
 
cav,

Rin101

Well-Known Member
Cav, I use a bic with mine every day, and i also light it away from the bowl, I don't know why it wouldn't be okay.
I don't know what you mean by red/orange tint of the filter..I have no idea what could even be causing that. Mine are gray to begin with and if anything get darker..sometimes someone will accidentally let the flame touch the filter and make a little black spot, but they go away in a few days. If you have access to one, try using a torch lighter and a vacuum cleaner to superheat the filter. That should burn off anything that's on it
 
Rin101,

cav

Well-Known Member
Well i know the flint dust is expelled when you ignite the bic lighter and i guess that's what is also causing the filter to be orange, the flint dust. but i am igniting it away almost always away from the bowl and the filter still seems to have a orange color to it on the side where you lay the flame

on the vaporgenie site it says:
"Flint dust accumulates on the VaporGenie ceramic filter, forming a visible orange/red discoloration. This discoloration does not affect the performance of the VaporGenie. It is merely an indication that a flint lighter has been used."
 
cav,

freeman dyson

Well-Known Member
My father is having problems with his vapor genie. Seems to combust nearly everytime. I think I initially told him the wrong method. I gave him the butane torch and told him to swirl the flame around the very outer metal lip.

Now his pipe looks like this:

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I tried it myself and got the same results. Next I tried to put a normal lighter and have it actually suck down in the bowl a little a little because I know it's not supposed to touch the bottom of the bowl. still combustion. though I think a little less. I am going to borrow the bowl from him this weekend and see if I can figure it out. should i scap the butane torch? should I go with a bbq lighter? is the best technique to suck the flame about half way down the bowl? should i twirl it? I would really like to get this working for him. thanks.
 
freeman dyson,

AGBeer

Lost in Thought
Ive never used anything but the BBQ lighter (and flint lights sometimes) Ive had issues with combustion at first, but now its much simpler. I almost cant see how someone could sucessfully use a torch as the lighter has to be closely monitored (and its not at hot)

I would figure that with the torch you would have to keep the flame pretty far from the bowl and the suction of your intake would get it hot enough to not combust.

Good luck bud you guys will get it :)
 
AGBeer,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
I have also heard much praise of removing the black mouthpiece, dunno if thats popular around here but its easily done and guarantees a seal. With your vaporgenie there you might want to clean the ceramic filter a bit in case it got a bit burnt. I'm pretty sure mine ended up a tad burnt and it may well alter its effectiveness or taste. I am not an expert mind.
 
the electrician,

Rin101

Well-Known Member
Also, don't twirl the flame around the metal ring, just keep it centered and pointing at the ceramic filter and it will heat properly, but don't keep it there long, it gets hot fast
 
Rin101,

AGBeer

Lost in Thought
the electrician said:
I have also heard much praise of removing the black mouthpiece, dunno if thats popular around here but its easily done and guarantees a seal. With your vaporgenie there you might want to clean the ceramic filter a bit in case it got a bit burnt. I'm pretty sure mine ended up a tad burnt and it may well alter its effectiveness or taste. I am not an expert mind.
I personally had to remove the MP from my VG as it seemed to get WAY too hot (it even gave me a small blister on my bottom lip) Since Ive scrapped the mouthpiece, its been better.
 
AGBeer,

MoeOnTheMoon

Medical Marijuana Activist
Company Rep
Look back 5 pages or so (?) for some great instructions posted by a member here. It involves pushing your tongue upwards behind the pipe stem, so you feel the heat and taste of the vapor as you inhale.

Here's my take on it:

Make sure the flame is steady like a strong match or barbecue lighter like they sell at 99 cents stores - long with a trigger, refillable.

The flame should go down into the bowl but only just dip below the top, not go all the way in to touch the ceramic filter! Take about a half of a long slow steady inhale then blow out to see if you have the hint of vapor. If only a hint, breathe out, then take a long inhale, quick, strong and back off the lighter about 1/2 or 2/3 the way through the inhale. You'll get a super thick vapor hit without combustion.

Experiment with taking hits this way. You want to warm the heater with the first draw, so you stop about half way. Then take a medium long inhale and back off the flame as you begin to feel the taste and heat on your tongue.

It's fun to experiment! You'll get it. You might combust on occasion if you don't use it often but if you use it regularly you'll get it down.

The burns around the bowl are usually caused by a torch type lighter. It's better not to use a torch type lighter or at least not til you can make vapor with a regular Bic or barbecue lighter type (non-torch). Even with a Bic you can get some burns around the bowl. No big deal.
 
MoeOnTheMoon,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
The torch lighters are harder for me to control with the VG...I would think it even harder for a noob.

Make sure you give it a good cleaning so you don't still taste the combustion even when you are hitting it right.
 
stickstones,
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