Vapman

[OF]

So you were serious, in your logic is it normal that in a ´conduction' vape a loose load gives you faster vapor than a normal load? If it is I apologize for the kidding - trolling accusation, seriously.

What I said was that @vapman proves by a fact, empirically, that VM is radiation.

I give you an other example: if it was a conduction vape why a tight load is worst extracted than a loose one or a normal one? IMO It is because in a tight load material is so compressed in the bowl that make shadows for radiation not allowing it to heat all over the load.

Apology accepted.

No, sorry, it doesn't prove that at all. In fact the maker agrees, radiation is not a significant way of heating in this case. NO RADIATION HEATING POSSIBLE. Either empirically (since the observation is incorrect) nor by traditional Thermodynamics theory. Radiation depends on a large temperature difference, always has, always will. The surface areas, emissivity and distance are the other major factors. But by definition when the temperature difference is zero (as when the load and pan are at the same, say 'resting', temperature) calories transferred either way by radiation is zero. Them's the rules.

It is conduction and a heavy pack gives more mass to heat and since conduction is also drawing heat from the heated material in contact with the hot metal this slows the timeline down, more total heat has to go in before vapor happens in the hottest places. Again, please consider the original topic was 'how do you get vapor very fast'. Faster than normal. As I said before. It has nothing to do with shadows, there's no 'light' (UV) to make shadows. That takes a lot more heat. As Rene said? You can have whatever opinion you want but post it here as fact and I think you should expect that to be challenged, IMO you should be ready to defend it. I think the goal here at FC should be accurate, reliable, and useful information.

Again, consider the MFLB case. While radiation helps early on in the cycle when the screen is very hot and the load cold, once things warm up it's conduction that does the work. Only herb contacting the screen 'works'. In cooking terms MFLB is fry pan, VM is a Dutch Oven?

I'm just repeating the stuff you deleted from my post you took exception to:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapman.94/page-200#post-892863

so I might be using the wrong terms and examples to get my point across. Let's try a different tact:

The goal is fastest possible vapor. Lower mass and dryer load make that happen faster given the same heat input which comes in by conduction as the metal heats up. Cutting the mass needing to be heated in half nearly cuts the time in half since the rate of heat entering the load is the same. A pot of water boils faster on the stove if there's less water in it, right? It takes one calorie to raise one gram of water one degree C, it takes two to heat two grams one degree. 3 for 3 grams and so on. The entire pot has to get to 100C (grams to be heated times number of degrees rise (100 minus the starting temperature) in calories) before boiling starts. If it needs more heat, it'll take more time.

Make sense?

OF

 

[Andreaerdna]

courtoisy from @Snappo

"A billion peaple can be wrong"
(and they surely are while they use "conduction vaporizers" locution - that is me)

(PS using the thermal behaviour of a good heat conductor (water) to represent-explain the one of a good heat insulator (dry vegetal material) shows to me how misleading is your arguing)

 

[OF]

courtoisy from @Snappo

"A billion peaple can be wrong"
(and they surely are while they use "conduction vaporizers" locution - that is me)

(PS using the thermal behaviour of a good heat conductor (water) to represent-explain the one of a good heat insulator (dry vegetal material) shows to me how misleading is your arguing)

Thermal mass calculations have nothing to do with being a good or bad conductor.

OK here's a point perhaps: If you argue shadows, that itself proves that any IR going on stops there? That's what shadow are, right? Blocked light. So how does the rest of the load heat if not by conduction? By your argument it can't be radiation.......radiation heats only the incident surface.

OF

 

[Andreaerdna]

Thermal mass calculations have nothing to do with being a good or bad conductor.

OK here's a point perhaps: If you argue shadows, that itself proves that any IR going on stops there? That's what shadow are, right? Blocked light. So how does the rest of the load heat if not by conduction? By your argument it can't be radiation.......radiation heats only the incident surface.

OF

I have no problem with that.
There is conduction insides each fragment of material, heated by radiation (that how conduction heat). The same with convection: heated air heat the external of each fragment and then conduction happens (that explain how a whole nugg can be vaped in enano or other 100% or near convection device like hammer or vaponic but not as well in a radiation device like VM or MFLB - I mean convective heated air is more effective and sourround better the nugg than radiation (shadows).
Difference between radiative VM and convetive Enano or Lotus is the heat source being all around the load (in order to be effective) so preheating of the bowl start to cook material before hitting and after (that explain faster degradation of grassy taste) while with convective you get all the vaporized material you produce

I think we can agree we disagree 100% on this matter but I propose you to go on about this, if you want to in its own thread (I'm going to post this post in there also)
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/thermal-radiation-discussion.17331/page-2

 

[VapeKnight]

life WAS simpler . nobody ever argued over what worked / tasted better when we use paper, pipe, bong , or a potato poked with a pencil...

like I said... and ignorance was bliss

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[VapeKnight]

life WAS simpler . nobody ever argued over what worked / tasted better when we use paper, pipe, bong , or a potato poked with a pencil...

like I said...
and ignorance was bliss. circa 1986

 

[Snappo]

like I said...
and ignorance was bliss.

...And knowledge is vexing... " A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"

 

[OF]

I think we can agree we disagree 100% on this matter but I propose you to go on about this, if you want to in its own thread (I'm going to post this post in there also)
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/thermal-radiation-discussion.17331/page-2

Fine by me, I'm still confident of my understanding of the universe as it applies here. For sure this is going nowhere, let's take it to a less important venue then. Doesn't change, of course, the point the maker also thinks it's not using radiation........

like I said...
and ignorance was bliss. circa 1986

Yep, then that snake came along, and Eve wanted an apple......

...And knowledge is vexing... " A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"

What was the old advertising slogan? "Eat more lamb, 123,000 coyotes can't be wrong"?

In the making vapor sense it doesn't matter a whit how or why. Not how mechanically but as seen by physics. But if you want to explain how or why you need to be ready to make that fit with what we already know to be true..... No matter how strongly held opinions might be by how many. We can have a host of opinions but we're only allowed one reality as a society. It has to fit in the fine points if 'we go there'.

Time to dig out the VM and be sure it still works.

OF

 

[M0J0]

Lately I've had some experiencies that have made me appreciate the vapman so much more!

Although I've been virtually immune to VAS after discovering the vapman, I felt it was time to experiment...

I got my hands on a Vapir Prima. It looked very good. It seemed to have a solid build made, nice form factor, anodized aluminum shell, removable/replaceable battery...

When I got it, I did 3 dry burns on it to remove the plastic smell...

First try, bad plastic taste... If you've ever burned plastic for some reason, that's exactly what it tasted like.

So I did more dry burns.

After 6 freaking dry burns it STILL tasted like burnt plastic. People on the Prima forum were like, "Don't worry, the plastic taste goes away after a while." -- WHAT? So I'm breathing toxic plastic fumes into my lungs "for a while" and you know that just because you stop tasting it, doesn't mean it's no longer there...

Contacted the manufacturer and the lady said that the Prima was not made of plastic! I'm like, "Whaaaat? I'm looking at it right now. The bowl is copper, but it's embedded in a plastic body. I'm looking at it right now."

Then she said, "It's not plastic, it Nylon." - I said, "Nylon is a type of plastic..."

So, I ended up having the great luck that the vendor I bought it from let me exchange it for something else, so I returned it and got an Elevape Smart Vape. It's called "Smart" because it has an on-board computer that senses when you start drawing and controls the temp and other things and actually counts for 8 seconds and then flashes the LED to tell you to stop drawing and then shuts off the heat and then is ready for the next draw immediately. Also, it is always ready -- no heat-up time at all. This is a good thing.

This thing is built like a tank. All aluminum - even the mouthpiiece is made of aluminum! It should be called "Black Box" instead.

Everything is held by screws and it is almost 100% user serviceable... I was stoked! No plastic at all, should be great. It even has an app to set the temps, update firmware, etc.

Well, I don't know if I'm just unlucky, but, long story showrt, the unit I got had a faulty battery and it would run out of battery after 4 draws, then it would "charge up" in 5 minutes and run out after 3 or 4 draws again. Basically unusable.

Now, Joe from Elevape is awesome. You can actually call this guy up on the phone and he'll trubleshoot with you and set you straight -- except in my case, because it's a bad battery pack.

So I sent it to him and he's going to fix it and send it back.

So what does this have to do with vapman?

It re-inforced in me all the reasons that I love the vapman so much and have been using it exclusively for so long!

Battery vapes are just Not my cup of tea. Dealing with battery charge, getting used to each vape's idiosyncracies and moodiness is not what I'm into. Depending on a computer to control my vape is just crazy in my opinion. If yo think about an eCig, You control the heat. You press the button, it heats up and you suck on it and get your vapor... simple, user controlled, easy peasy, fast and easy...

Now the vapman is even easier to use and the user has even MORE Control of the vaping experience, draw duration, how fast or how slow he wants to draw, how hot you want it, etc, etc, etc...

Now, I understand that some people really like battery vapes and getting to know each new one is part of the thrill. Maybe it's like the difference between an old lover and a one night stand. But life is like a hooker, you never know what you're going to get!

So, while I was having these new relationships with these new vapes, my vapman and torch lighter was always there to get my back!

No fuss, no muss, quick and easy. Full control, and since I'm so used to it, never fails to deliver exactly the amount of vapor that I want.

I'm waiting to get the Elevape Smart back, but in the mean time, I'm loving my vapman even more than ever.

Unless this little black box comes back and surprises the hell out of me somehow, I will just stick with the vapman - even more now that my Station is on the way!

But one thing is certain: I am NEVER, ever, ever, ever, for no damn reason at all, ever buying another fucking China made plastic vape (or made anywhere, really). THey are nasty tasting plastic POS's. Sorry.

Sorry for the rant, but I thought someone else may learn from my experiences.

Peace.

 

[OF]

I'm waiting to get the Elevape Smart back, but in the mean time, I'm loving my vapman even more than ever.

Unless this little black box comes back and surprises the hell out of me somehow, I will just stick with the vapman - even more now that my Station is on the way!

I'm confident you're going to be impressed with ESV, it's an entirely different approach than VM but it's nifty gadget too and has some of the same craftsmanship and respect for materials and technology we prize in VM. I can easily recommend both for consideration. The are not at all interchangeable IMO.

Until then VM will help with the wait......

OF

 

[M0J0]

I'm confident you're going to be impressed with ESV, it's an entirely different approach than VM but it's nifty gadget too and has some of the same craftsmanship and respect for materials and technology we prize in VM. I can easily recommend both for consideration. The are not at all interchangeable IMO.

Until then VM will help with the wait......

OF

I have high hopes for the ESV. It's construction is awesome. It's like aviation's Black Box! I believe you. It's liked very much and everyone that has one recommends it.

It's a different beast.

But I've been fixing computers for too long, so I like to keep them out of my tools as much as I can.

Even my new Blender has computer now! WTF? Haha

Well see.

 

[Gourmet]

When we run out of Butane we're going to need an alternative.

How about to collect cow farts?

Then she said, "It's not plastic, it Nylon." - I said, "Nylon is a type of plastic..."

But I must say, the enterprise must be at least very social. They employ not so qualified people too.... *whistle* ;-)



I tested a few vapos (da vinci, arizer solo, some pens, flowermate, vulcano, V-Tower), but I own only a few vapmans ;-) and a V-Tower. But since I have the station, I never touched it again.. Not that the V-tower is'nt a good, tasty vapo (but no plastic taste ;-)), but it's taking up to much space on the table and on the contrary, the station uses not more space than a little drinking glass.

Needles to say, that the VM wins also the competition of the aroma. (V-Tower is not bad, but the airways are to long and the air is for the lungs often a bit to hot without a watercooler)

So with the VM, I got no need to search new solutions. It's a little bit like the good old MK-2 Technics turntable. Even from the very beginning, they was already perfect.

 

[Enchantre]

Okay, so I meant the Vapman Station (VS), on level 1, is giving great flavor & results.

I love the tiny improvements... I can leave my VM sit on the green light for a few moments, and no error! Stays nice.

We plugged the VS into a ChargeAll 12,000 mAh battery pack thingy, and went through about three bowls, in two VMs, through two sessions. I'm thinking it would be able to handle four sessions.

I have an ESV, @Mojo ... it is great for what it does, but it is not nearly as good with the flavors as the VM (or the ENano) is. Stealth, yes. Grab a single hit in stride, one-handed, without having to look at what you are doing? the ESV. Fast vaping in really shitty weather? ESV. I use mine for middle of the night vaping in the dark, when silence and not looking/seeing/no light is critical. It lives on my headboard.

The VM is for enjoying the herb... with the VS, it is AMAZING how enjoyable it is! ... but, with your good torch skills, you know how to get the best of the herb.

 

[OF]

Okay, so I meant the Vapman Station (VS), on level 1, is giving great flavor & results.

I love the tiny improvements... I can leave my VM sit on the green light for a few moments, and no error! Stays nice.

OK, so I guess I could/should have guessed as much but what's the fun in that? I mean if you pass a chance to poke fun of your buds on FC you may not get another chance for a long time.

Good to hear the kinks have been worked out, I guess it's time to dig mine out and send it in. I've used it exactly once since the problems came out. As you say, the torch can do a good job if you do.

Glad it's back home and in harness.

OF

 

[natural farmer]

Lately I've had some experiencies that have made me appreciate the vapman so much more!

Although I've been virtually immune to VAS after discovering the vapman, I felt it was time to experiment...

I got my hands on a Vapir Prima. It looked very good. It seemed to have a solid build made, nice form factor, anodized aluminum shell, removable/replaceable battery...

When I got it, I did 3 dry burns on it to remove the plastic smell...

First try, bad plastic taste... If you've ever burned plastic for some reason, that's exactly what it tasted like.

So I did more dry burns.

After 6 freaking dry burns it STILL tasted like burnt plastic. People on the Prima forum were like, "Don't worry, the plastic taste goes away after a while." -- WHAT? So I'm breathing toxic plastic fumes into my lungs "for a while" and you know that just because you stop tasting it, doesn't mean it's no longer there...

Contacted the manufacturer and the lady said that the Prima was not made of plastic! I'm like, "Whaaaat? I'm looking at it right now. The bowl is copper, but it's embedded in a plastic body. I'm looking at it right now."

Then she said, "It's not plastic, it Nylon." - I said, "Nylon is a type of plastic..."

So, I ended up having the great luck that the vendor I bought it from let me exchange it for something else, so I returned it and got an Elevape Smart Vape. It's called "Smart" because it has an on-board computer that senses when you start drawing and controls the temp and other things and actually counts for 8 seconds and then flashes the LED to tell you to stop drawing and then shuts off the heat and then is ready for the next draw immediately. Also, it is always ready -- no heat-up time at all. This is a good thing.

This thing is built like a tank. All aluminum - even the mouthpiiece is made of aluminum! It should be called "Black Box" instead.

Everything is held by screws and it is almost 100% user serviceable... I was stoked! No plastic at all, should be great. It even has an app to set the temps, update firmware, etc.

Well, I don't know if I'm just unlucky, but, long story showrt, the unit I got had a faulty battery and it would run out of battery after 4 draws, then it would "charge up" in 5 minutes and run out after 3 or 4 draws again. Basically unusable.

Now, Joe from Elevape is awesome. You can actually call this guy up on the phone and he'll trubleshoot with you and set you straight -- except in my case, because it's a bad battery pack.

So I sent it to him and he's going to fix it and send it back.

So what does this have to do with vapman?

It re-inforced in me all the reasons that I love the vapman so much and have been using it exclusively for so long!

Battery vapes are just Not my cup of tea. Dealing with battery charge, getting used to each vape's idiosyncracies and moodiness is not what I'm into. Depending on a computer to control my vape is just crazy in my opinion. If yo think about an eCig, You control the heat. You press the button, it heats up and you suck on it and get your vapor... simple, user controlled, easy peasy, fast and easy...

Now the vapman is even easier to use and the user has even MORE Control of the vaping experience, draw duration, how fast or how slow he wants to draw, how hot you want it, etc, etc, etc...

Now, I understand that some people really like battery vapes and getting to know each new one is part of the thrill. Maybe it's like the difference between an old lover and a one night stand. But life is like a hooker, you never know what you're going to get!

So, while I was having these new relationships with these new vapes, my vapman and torch lighter was always there to get my back!

No fuss, no muss, quick and easy. Full control, and since I'm so used to it, never fails to deliver exactly the amount of vapor that I want.

I'm waiting to get the Elevape Smart back, but in the mean time, I'm loving my vapman even more than ever.

Unless this little black box comes back and surprises the hell out of me somehow, I will just stick with the vapman - even more now that my Station is on the way!

But one thing is certain: I am NEVER, ever, ever, ever, for no damn reason at all, ever buying another fucking China made plastic vape (or made anywhere, really). THey are nasty tasting plastic POS's. Sorry.

Sorry for the rant, but I thought someone else may learn from my experiences.

Peace.

Amen brother!!! Very well said! I love my Vapman more and more every day!

 

[HD Springer]

Ok ok ok. I'm a guy who can learn his lesson. I broke my first vapman through user error/getting totally vaped and well it's just too painful to go on. So I have had this egg shaped hole in my heart for the last 8mos. or so. Well I'm back. I just really needed a shall we say "catch-all" type vaporizer. Also one that could be used with small amounts. And it's probably the way it totally will rock your world with keef(I've never been sure on the spelling) is the main reason I'm back. It's an all around great vaporizer.
My biggest issue is I want to save it for my rainy days like when I'm low on meds and when I have a good supply of keef. However I'm having trouble putting this little number down.
I know Im saying things that have been said too many times to count. But it's unreal how wrecked you get on very little product. This is what a vaporizer should be.

 

[Jethro]

Sounds like the Vapman is FANTASTIC for kief (that's how I believe it's spelled) which seals my choice between this and the Lotus. And it sounds efficient which I like.

Does anyone of you that have the Station 1 use your Vapman through water tools? I'm wondering if a Vapman would work well with the Station on a bong of some sort. Still will buy a Vapman even if I don't get the Station, but I'm interested if it turns the Vapman into like a log style vape for real.

Bonus points for milky glass videos!! I'm loading up a Solo stem with pure kief right now!

 

[KidFated.]

Sounds like the Vapman is FANTASTIC for kief (that's how I believe it's spelled) which seals my choice between this and the Lotus. And it sounds efficient which I like.

Does anyone of you that have the Station 1 use your Vapman through water tools? I'm wondering if a Vapman would work well with the Station on a bong of some sort. Still will buy a Vapman even if I don't get the Station, but I'm interested if it turns the Vapman into like a log style vape for real.

Bonus points for milky glass videos!! I'm loading up a Solo stem with pure kief right now!

You remove the Vapman from the heating station when you draw, but the Vapman milks the shit out if my glass.

 

[Jethro]

You remove the Vapman from the heating station when you draw, but the Vapman milks the shit out if my glass.

Good enough for me! I'm buying one. How to hook it up to my 18mm glass? Who sells the WonG or adapter?

 

[KidFated.]

Good enough for me! I'm buying one. How to hook it up to my 18mm glass? Who sells the WonG or adapter?

Ed makes a 14mm Wong but I'm sure he'd make you a 18mm.. Otherwise a reducer and the middle section will seal just fine

 

[Philreal187]

@Jethro well for the wong look no further than @Ed's TnT I believe he actually redesigned from his first one


Edit @KidFated. Is always quick!!

 

[Ed's TnT]

@Jethro well for the wong look no further than @Ed's TnT I believe he actually redesigned from his first one

Ahhh this is true my man, I have redesigned it, not a lot just a little to sturdy up the tiny end that goes inside the middle section, felt a little angle gave me the room to work where I could sure that end up somewhat. Thanks for spreading the word! In fact if @Jethro wants to go ahead and get his hands on one since I havent quite added them to my site just yet he could pick one up from PIU, I just sent Randy a batch with his last order. Just so much to do and never enough of me, BTW has anyone seen any reputable human cloning companies out there, Id be in for a couple of them even if I had to finance em!

 

[KidFated.]

Ahhh this is true my man, I have redesigned it, not a lot just a little to sturdy up the tiny end that goes inside the middle section, felt a little angle gave me the room to work where I could sure that end up somewhat. Thanks for spreading the word! In fact if @Jethro wants to go ahead and get his hands on one since I havent quite added them to my site just yet he could pick one up from PIU, I just sent Randy a batch with his last order. Just so much to do and never enough of me, BTW has anyone seen any reputable human cloning companies out there, Id be in for a couple of them even if I had to finance em!

Set up the flight and I'll be on my way.

Got a fishing rod so I don't have to bring mine?

 

[Ed's TnT]

Set up the flight and I'll be on my way.

Got a fishing rod so I don't have to bring mine?

Right on bro, Ill give you a heads up after I talk to Delta, oh wait they dont fly into my state anymore, may have to go with United, lol! I got an extra rod for sure, but its hunting season now and I got several extra guns and enough rounds for a full on zombie assault, itd be war on the walking dead!

 

[terminally_chill]

Ok ok ok. I'm a guy who can learn his lesson. I broke my first vapman through user error/getting totally vaped and well it's just too painful to go on.

Wait, how exactly did you break your first Vapman? I just ordered one of my own and I'm now more than a bit apprehensive...