PLENTY Vaporizer

[EVlL 55]

..hello all..
Gotta love the plenty...
..choo choo charlie's pics are great...that,..imo is the only way to fly..I use an lsv shorty and long stem for dry pulls..and a swagger side tree for the moisture.
I used a 14m to 18m w/ a silicone sleeve for the water tool aspect...and I used a 18f to 18f for the wands.
I personally hate the ss whip..have from minute one.. the glass provides that clean,visible path we all love..and water?..w/ the plenty flavor?....doesn't get better.
...I'll try and take some more pics...I must have deleted the old ones...but choo choo charlies are all you need
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[Socks And Sandals]

@bluedecker : I also read that. Suppose the 18mm female end would go over the top. Not sure.
I just happened to have that 14mm male to male piece - use to mate my F-bomb to Ratchet's lotus stand.

Like I said, I don't prefer this setup. But ... I feel the straight 14mm male to male fits really well.
It better mimics the way the coil inserts into the black chamber. Provides straight and uniform diameter vapor pathway.

This pic shows how it fits a bit clearer:



Now for something completely different, kudos must be given to @Tek for this post last spring:



This together with the all-important super slow draw gives good and quick results.

But, do not succumb to temptation. The research on this aspect of human behavior is enlightening:



That last sentence about waiting applies quite well to vaping I think.

We started again with more of Charlie's mods! I love it!

What piece is that?

I took a break from this thread and bought an E-Nano... biggest mistake of my life as i'm getting nothing but inconsistent results and ABV that is still light brown and far from spent.

I ended up taking nearly a gram of ABV (that wouldn't produce anymore vapor in the E-Nano) and putting it into the Plenty. Guess how much vapor was still left in my herb that the E-Nano apparently isn't capable of extracting..

It was at this point that I decided to Return My E-Nano... the only thing that was good about it was the fact that it's a lot more efficient but at what cost? Burning my herb, not vaping all of it.. and having to damn near load a new bowl after every single hit! It just wasn't worth it in the end. Lets just say that will be my first and last "LogVape". I keep telling myself that I have to have had a lemon but I'm not to sure. All I know is if someone asks me if they should get a log vape... based on all of this I'm going to say no.

There is just something about the flavor of the vapor in the Plenty... it's seems heavier and cleaner than the E-Nano (how can this be when the E nano has an all glass airflow?) coming back to it after having spent 4 straight days with the Nano. Sure I have to load up larger amounts but at least I know I'm getting consistent results everytime.

Looking at the Mighty and VapeXhale Evo right now.. I don't think I'm going to sell my plenty.. it's just something about that vapor!

 

[whateverman]

@Socks And Sandals I'm sorry to hear you're returning your nano. I feel like I still have to learn by practice but I do like it. I, as a medical user, like to have the ability to vape whenever I want, without having to wait. I still can't get the same efficiency the Arizer Solo gives me, but I'll get the hang of it. After all, it took me about two months to figure out the exact method that gives me the results I pursue with the Solo.

Perhaps a Mighty will suit your needs better. It's almost on par with the Plenty if we're talking vapor quality.

Edit: @ChooChooCharlie I love your mods. Please continue to share your experiments with us. And think about joining the E-nano clan, we need you there!

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

Thank you FC !

Four weeks, and still have a quarter left.
(for me, this is incredible)

I changed only after FC members asked for better efficiency with the Plenty.

Finally understood the folly in trying to mod the Plenty.
(hope my prior mod attempt pics were entertaining at least)

Came around to looking inward for change. Had to mod myself. (slooooow, long draw)

@whateverman : The pics I posted of the inline water tool is not my idea. I was doing a favor cause I have nothing better to do. @evil 55 had posted his pics in July, and they don't display anymore. I just recreated his adaptation with what I had on hand. Sort of my cover version of his song, from memory, using my own instruments.

If people are into water with the Plenty, try PM'ing evil or lazylathe. They got the water tool skills.

@Socks And Sandals : Sorry you are having a difficult transition to vaping. Remember being frustrated and angry first week of vaping with Ascent. Then it hit me. The speed and duration of draw really mattered with this vaping thing. Really hope you can adjust to vaping. I know it can feel like learning to drive a stick shift sometimes with certain vapes.

Was reading your post and the responses in the E-Nano thread. FC folks really want to help.
Loved @Enchantre post especially. We should all print that out and mount it as a poster.

 

[whateverman]

Btw @Socks And Sandals , the ABV from my Plenty is light brown, while I actually combusted once with my nano. I could tell it combusted cause the horrible smell of the charred herb did not leave the glass stem until I thoroughly cleaned it.
I wish that maybe @ACE OF VAPE could take a look at your nano, just to make sure you didn't get a faulty unit.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

@Socks And Sandals I'm sorry to hear you're returning your nano. I feel like I still have to learn by practice but I do like it. I, as a medical user, like to have the ability to vape whenever I want, without having to wait. I still can't get the same efficiency the Arizer Solo gives me, but I'll get the hang of it. After all, it took me about two months to figure out the exact method that gives me the results I pursue with the Solo.

Perhaps a Mighty will suit your needs better. It's almost on par with the Plenty if we're talking vapor quality.


Edit: @ChooChooCharlie I love your mods. Please continue to share your experiments with us. And think about joining the E-nano clan, we need you there!

Thanks man... I feel bad too because I saw your post there and it seemed like you were so happy for me only to bare witness to that post of frustration.

I just want to make sure you don't feel bad about suggesting the E-Nano to me because it was my decision and everyone was telling me to check it out.. not just you. Not to sound weird but I feel as if I kinda let you guys down by not sticking with it actually.

I'm looking at the Mighty and the Evo mostly at the moment but I'm honestly swaying towards the Evo. I'm also checking out a few others that caught my eye but I think I've narrowed it down to those 2 mainly.

@Socks And Sandals : Sorry you are having a difficult transition to vaping. Remember being frustrated and angry first week of vaping with Ascent. Then it hit me. The speed and duration of draw really mattered with this vaping thing. Really hope you can adjust to vaping. I know it can feel like learning to drive a stick shift sometimes with certain vapes.

Was reading your post and the responses in the E-Nano thread. FC folks really want to help.
Loved @Enchantre post especially. We should all print that out and mount it as a poster.

Thanks for the kind words Charlie,

I've actually been doing pretty good and I think I have finally kicked Cannabis Combustion for good as it's been nearly a month tomorrow!

My transition has been frustrating.. but it's mainly just finding the right vape for me. I don't want to get into the details of the E-Nano because well... believe it or not.. I kind of feel stupid being the only 2% of people out of that entire thread (yeah I skimmed through most of it lol) that had a bad experience with the thing. I'm in the extreme Minority when it comes to my experience with the E-Nano and I just don't want to be "that one guy" over there who brings the negativity. This community has been really good to me and to be honest... All you guys rock!

I mean that because if you look at any other community on the net.. You will see bad seeds and rude comments left and right. The only thing I've witnessed here were intelligent debates with EVERYONE showing that they have class despite differences of opinion and that's what I love about this community.

I saw everyone's responses.. maybe I'll go back there.. After I take care of this return.

It sucks I just sold my 18mm glass bong. It was the only one that will fit on the plenty. Can you believe I had the Plenty since May and I never even thought about using a water attachment with it? I saw some video of some hispanic guy on youtube doing it and was planning on trying it but then We had to move so I had a lot on my plate.

 

[Eyedunno]

I don't know if anybody's inquired about the size of the Plenty's herb chamber to Storz & Bickel directly before, but I did. Their response was: "We are planning to solve this in the beginning of 2016." So here's hoping their solution is good. My own suggestion was to offer a filling chamber cylinder with a smaller inside diameter and capable of using a lower screen and a liquid pad from the Crafty/Mighty.

In the meantime, I have ordered an E-nano (along with a custom stem, though I'll be waiting a few weeks on that), which just shipped today and I can't wait.

Edit: While I'm here being a n00b and stuff, check out my jury-rigged stand for the Plenty. The brush solution works fine, I suppose, but this is much better. Just a stainless dowel and a vacuum cap, but it looks nice and works perfectly.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

I don't know if anybody's inquired about the size of the Plenty's herb chamber to Storz & Bickel directly before, but I did. Their response was: "We are planning to solve this in the beginning of 2016." So here's hoping their solution is good. My own suggestion was to offer a filling chamber cylinder with a smaller inside diameter and capable of using a lower screen and a liquid pad from the Crafty/Mighty.

In the meantime, I have ordered an E-nano (along with a custom stem, though I'll be waiting a few weeks on that), which just shipped today and I can't wait.

Welcome to the forums man! I never inquired about it but I'm glad someone is. I'd love to see them give us a smaller bowl option. What exactly did they mean when they said, "We are planning to solve this in the beginning of 2016"? Did they say anything specific?

Good Luck with your Enano!

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

@Eyedunno : Great news! Thanks for the info.
Continual improvement is integral to product performance, quality, and safety.
Storz-Bickel had the dedication and stamina to complete ISO9001 cert. No small feat.

Hope they do a lens filter style herb stabilizer screen.
Could even retro fit it in, sell it as accessory to current owners.

Thanks for the kind words Charlie,
...
This community has been really good to me and to be honest... All you guys rock!

Socks: Thanks for all the positive and nice words.
Edit I'll PM you

 

[Socks And Sandals]

@Eyedunno

Socks: After all the positive and nice words, now I feel like a dick -- would you ask a moderator to edit out that one descriptive word about the youtube reviewer. Thanks!

Hey Charlie, You lost me here.. What are you referring to here? Feel free to PM me if you feel more comfortable with that.

 

[Eyedunno]

Welcome to the forums man! I never inquired about it but I'm glad someone is. I'd love to see them give us a smaller bowl option. What exactly did they mean when they said, "We are planning to solve this in the beginning of 2016"? Did they say anything specific?

Unfortunately what I posted is all they said aside from "We hope this reply is of assistance to you." Still, I'm excited to see what they come up with. The Plenty certainly has some wonky design choices, but I can't complain about how it performs aside from its efficiency and capability with small loads.

Good Luck with your Enano!

Thanks. I have seen your posts about it, and I hope I have a better experience, as I'm really looking for a great solo vape, and this seems to be the one that's most recommended on here. I kind of figure it can't possibly perform as poorly as my first vape (a WulfVapes branded Titan), and I like all the options for stems/GonGs.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Unfortunately what I posted is all they said aside from "We hope this reply is of assistance to you." Still, I'm excited to see what they come up with. The Plenty certainly has some wonky design choices, but I can't complain about how it performs aside from its efficiency and capability with small loads.



Thanks. I have seen your posts about it, and I hope I have a better experience, as I'm really looking for a great solo vape, and this seems to be the one that's most recommended on here. I kind of figure it can't possibly perform as poorly as my first vape (a WulfVapes branded Titan), and I like all the options for stems/GonGs.

I'm excited what they will come up with as well. So much so I'm going to contact them tomorrow and also ask about this as well. Maybe if they hear enough of us requesting a smaller herb chamber they will be more inclined to do so more quickly.

As far as wonky design choices, my gripes with the Plenty are mainly the huge herb chamber the fact it wasn't really designed to stand up vertically, the auto shut off timer (I wish it didn't shut off and maintained the temperature while offering a way to remove the herb from the heating element without having to screw off the lower housing), the analog thermometer (wish it was digital), and sometimes the cooling coil gets really hot. Other than all that and the obvious efficiency issues with small loads I love the vapor quality!

As far as the Nano goes, I wish you the best with it and if you can remember, I'd love to know how it goes for you. I'll more than likely be looking at the VapeXhale Cloud Evo. I had no idea how much those prices came down in just a few months and now there is a sale for $50 off. I'm really looking forward to it!

 

[Eyedunno]

As far as wonky design choices, my gripes with the Plenty are mainly the huge herb chamber the fact it wasn't really designed to stand up vertically, the auto shut off timer (I wish it didn't shut off and maintained the temperature while offering a way to remove the herb from the heating element without having to screw off the lower housing), the analog thermometer (wish it was digital), and sometimes the cooling coil gets really hot. Other than all that and the obvious efficiency issues with small loads I love the vapor quality!

I agree with most of what you said, though my makeshift stand works well enough, the thermometer is a very minor gripe for me, and I've never gotten the coil too hot to at least be able to handle the top part. The other two gripes are my biggest complaints about the unit other than the chamber though. The shutoff timer is a pain in the ass. I wouldn't have eliminated it entirely (I think it's a reasonable safety feature), but I would have made it perhaps twice as long. I also think multicolored LEDs (with different colors for off, on (but heater not engaged), and heater engaged) would provide an improvement in usability; it would make it completely obvious when you have to hit the trigger. And yeah to the herb removal thing as well. Removing the whole chamber assembly kind of sucks, but I do find it's the optimal way to use the device. I think the option of a smaller chamber would go a long way toward solving this one as well though, as it would make it easier to vape all the contents in one quick session and not have to worry about removing it, except perhaps while the unit is warming up.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Btw @Socks And Sandals , the ABV from my Plenty is light brown, while I actually combusted once with my nano. I could tell it combusted cause the horrible smell of the charred herb did not leave the glass stem until I thoroughly cleaned it.
I wish that maybe @ACE OF VAPE could take a look at your nano, just to make sure you didn't get a faulty unit.

I think I might have been off about the color.. now that I'm looking at my ABV very closely I can see that it is of a light to dark brown.

I agree with most of what you said, though my makeshift stand works well enough, the thermometer is a very minor gripe for me, and I've never gotten the coil too hot to at least be able to handle the top part. The other two gripes are my biggest complaints about the unit other than the chamber though. The shutoff timer is a pain in the ass. I wouldn't have eliminated it entirely (I think it's a reasonable safety feature), but I would have made it perhaps twice as long. I also think multicolored LEDs (with different colors for off, on (but heater not engaged), and heater engaged) would provide an improvement in usability; it would make it completely obvious when you have to hit the trigger. And yeah to the herb removal thing as well. Removing the whole chamber assembly kind of sucks, but I do find it's the optimal way to use the device. I think the option of a smaller chamber would go a long way toward solving this one as well though, as it would make it easier to vape all the contents in one quick session and not have to worry about removing it, except perhaps while the unit is warming up.

I've had the top part of the coil get just as hot as the bottom of the coil. So hot in fact that during a couple of draws I actually had to remove my lips from the mouthpiece. Now granted this only happens some of the time and I honestly think it has to do with how the coil and the silicon tubing fits around the mouthpiece and the lower chamber housing.

I agree it is a good safety feature but for me personally it's not necessary. Multi colored Leds would definitely be more on point than just listening to that "POP" sound that happens as soon as the heater is disengaged. I don't know about you but i usually have the plenty facing away from me so having an LED (like the beautiful red/green on the Evo) on the back next to the trigger would have definitely been nice. Because the heat lamp is on the front I usually just listen for that "POP or Click" sound.

Of course having the smaller herb chamber is my number one request though.

Do you remove the whole upper portion from the oven when you vape? You said it's the optimal way to use the device. It seems kind of redundant since the temp drops immediately after reaching our temp anyhow. I thought about trying it.. does it work? If so what is your technique?

 

[whateverman]

@Socks And Sandals I think you need to try the Plenty with a water tool instead of using it with the coil. The taste is amazing and the vapor is cool.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

@Socks And Sandals I think you need to try the Plenty with a water tool instead of using it with the coil. The taste is amazing and the vapor is cool.

I will eventually, I just have a feeling it will be with a hydratube first! Hint, Hint!!!

 

[Eyedunno]

I don't know about you but i usually have the plenty facing away from me so having an LED (like the beautiful red/green on the Evo) on the back next to the trigger would have definitely been nice. Because the heat lamp is on the front I usually just listen for that "POP or Click" sound.

Yeah, that would be a better location--toward the top of the handle or on the side next to the handle. I wish it would tell me somehow when I can pull the trigger again. You don't even need colored LEDs, come to think of it! Like have it flash instead of turning off upon reaching temperature, then stop flashing when it's off completely. Man, it's so easy to come up with stuff like this. It kind of shows that as good as the device is, Storz and Bickel were actually really conservative in engineering it.

Do you remove the whole upper portion from the oven when you vape? You said it's the optimal way to use the device. It seems kind of redundant since the temp drops immediately after reaching our temp anyhow. I thought about trying it.. does it work? If so what is your technique?

My technique is borrowed from someone in a forum I was lurking in, and it might even have been this one. I set it on 7 with the entire herb chamber and coil off. Then when it reaches temperature, I turn it down to 6, put the herb chamber on, and go to town. Then for the last hit or two, I go up to 7 again. The first hit will be especially wispy with this technique, but I do think it gives better efficiency.

I also occasionally remove the chamber before the material is fully vaped when I have had enough (I suck through it a few times with heavy draws after removing it to hopefully cool down the metal mating surface and the herb itself a bit).

 

[adam_baumm]

HI community.
I am about to buy a plenty for when I send in my mighty for repair.
Anyone know the latest serial numbers please. I want a new unit.
Thanks

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

...
Anyone know the latest serial numbers please. I want a new unit.
Thanks

If you buy direct, you should get latest. If you meant that you are shopping for the newest used unit, this information may or may not help:

I got mine used off Ebay last July. Seller described it as only used four times. Judging by the stains, this was used a bit more I'd say. Who knows when it was manufactured. Here's pic of my S/N label:



If you scroll up to post #1032 by @Eyedunno you will notice a difference in the ISO safety symbols.
Eyedunno's Plenty has a Keep Dry Umbrella symbol:



Therefore, my assumption is that mine is older.

Maybe they added the Keep Dry symbol because they started using those moisture detection strips. Or maybe they are trying to discourage water tool usage. They may have a point -- anyone ever laugh or cough into a water tool ... no, never.

By the way, @Eyedunno , your replacement for the brush as stand is sleek.

If you want to keep the herb layer level and keep Plenty vertical, as I had suggested for vaping small loads, one can use the gooseneck clamp I showed previously, or coffee mug tree,
or even foam packing inserts. Doesn't that look classy:

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Yeah, that would be a better location--toward the top of the handle or on the side next to the handle. I wish it would tell me somehow when I can pull the trigger again. You don't even need colored LEDs, come to think of it! Like have it flash instead of turning off upon reaching temperature, then stop flashing when it's off completely. Man, it's so easy to come up with stuff like this. It kind of shows that as good as the device is, Storz and Bickel were actually really conservative in engineering it.


My technique is borrowed from someone in a forum I was lurking in, and it might even have been this one. I set it on 7 with the entire herb chamber and coil off. Then when it reaches temperature, I turn it down to 6, put the herb chamber on, and go to town. Then for the last hit or two, I go up to 7 again. The first hit will be especially wispy with this technique, but I do think it gives better efficiency.

I also occasionally remove the chamber before the material is fully vaped when I have had enough (I suck through it a few times with heavy draws after removing it to hopefully cool down the metal mating surface and the herb itself a bit).

Ok, so prior to setting it on 7, the herb chamber has never been put on and heated correct? After you turn it down to 6 do you wait for it to cycle and reach 6 again before putting the herb chamber in place? I'm going to try tonight.. probably with a healthy .5 or .7 in there tonight. I'll let you know how it goes!

This isn't the first time I heard about preheating before screwing on the herb chamber and believe it or not I never tried it. Let me just make sure I got it straight!

@ChooChooCharlie If you don't mind and aren't busy could you show us again some of the smallest loads you got to vape evenly? You just keep vertical on a table and sip with it stationary correct? I remember some of your older pics of these tiny, tiny loads you threw in there and really want to do some experimenting tonight since I have a feeling I may retire my plenty to a certain extent when my Evo arrives.

Never the less, I'll still be involved with this thread, this vape will always be sentimental to me since in reality it really was my first real vape. God knows I can't count this!

Oh and one last thing.. look the needle feel back to 100! But it only lasted 3 days after getting it back from S&B.

 

[Eyedunno]

Eyedunno's Plenty has a Keep Dry Umbrella symbol:

Interesting. And I largely agree with your logic about it being newer. Full disclosure though: I bought mine (gently) used from eBay as well like the one adam_baumm was inquiring about.

Ok, so prior to setting it on 7, the herb chamber has never been put on and heated correct?

Correct.

After you turn it down to 6 do you wait for it to cycle and reach 6 again before putting the herb chamber in place?

Nope. I turn it down to 6, then immediately put the herb chamber on (or even put the chamber on, then turn it down to 6, doesn't matter that much), and immediately start drawing slowly to get the benefit of the residual heat.

It seems to work for me to get slightly better vapor on the first draw (than keeping it at 6 with the chamber off), though this could all be a big collection of cognitive biases on my part and a big old placebo effect. I think Richard Feynman once said something to the effect of: "The most important principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest one to fool." But give it a shot.

Edit: One thing I do know is that the Plenty--MY Plenty, at least--will vape your material pretty thoroughly without you taking a draw if you leave it on with the chamber on and forget about it, even with the fast auto shutoff. That's really the main reason I leave the chamber off for the initial heat-up.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Nope. I turn it down to 6, then immediately put the herb chamber on (or even put the chamber on, then turn it down to 6, doesn't matter that much), and immediately start drawing slowly to get the benefit of the residual heat.

It seems to work for me to get slightly better vapor on the first draw (than keeping it at 6 with the chamber off), though this could all be a big collection of cognitive biases on my part and a big old placebo effect. I think Richard Feynman once said something to the effect of: "The most important principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest one to fool." But give it a shot.

Edit: One thing I do know is that the Plenty--MY Plenty, at least--will vape your material pretty thoroughly without you taking a draw if you leave it on with the chamber on and forget about it, even with the fast auto shutoff. That's really the main reason I leave the chamber off for the initial heat-up.

Thanks for getting back so quickly. I'll see how this goes tonight!

Since I have always just used this thing according to the instructions (with the herb chamber attached) and since I always feel pressured by the feeling that if I'm not drawing.. it's still cooking and I'm wasting it, my session style has changed from when I used to smoke drastically. With the plenty I vape very fast and by fast I mean constantly drawing without taking a break unless I don't hit the trigger and let the temperature fall below the green which I do sometimes If I have a coughing fit.

My method is usually starting at 4.5 or 5 and running two heat ups (Or pass throughs or Cycles as I like to call them) on each dial temp until i reach 7 eventually. So doing the math that about 6 cycles or passthroughs in total. My sessions usually last on average 10 to 12 minutes.

When I load a full bowl which is slightly more than a gram in there (only done this 3 times so far but loved every time I did) I still do the same technique except I cycle 3 times on setting's 5, 6, and 7. Due to the added load in the chamber, it keeps producing vapor far more than with a liquid pad in there IMO and my sessions can last up to 20 minutes.

I posted before in this thread asking what everyone's technique is using this vape but I only got a few replies. I'm still very curious as to other's techniques and would love to compare stories.

How do you feel about my method of 2 cycles per dial setting until reaching 7 and not getting anymore vapor? Reason why I'm asking is because the instructions are so vague and leaves a lot to be desired. I would prefer specifics rather than just an easy quick start guide from S&B.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

@Socks And Sandals You need to pack the herb chamber, put it in to place and then turn the unit on and let it heat up. It will work every time.

 

[Eyedunno]

How do you feel about my method of 2 cycles per dial setting until reaching 7 and not getting anymore vapor? Reason why I'm asking is because the instructions are so vague and leaves a lot to be desired. I would prefer specifics rather than just an easy quick start guide from S&B.

I either do something very close to that or just even skip right from 6 to 7.

@Socks And Sandals You need to pack the herb chamber, put it in to place and then turn the unit on and let it heat up. It will work every time.

This works, of course, but you're heating up the material quite a lot before you ever take a draw.

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

Socks, give the "slow draw 7 up" technique a try for loads 0.1g and under.

Sorry, had to give it a name. @Bravesst could probably come up with a good acronym.

"7 up" because you set it to seven and keep it vertical, pointing up. No liquid pad.

This is for small loads, remember.

Most important part is "slow draw." The flow is so unrestricted with the Plenty, that it takes some practice to do a zombie like slow draw. You can lengthen the priming to 6-10 seconds around 380F. It's primed when you see the whisps of vapor rising from mouthpiece. Then take first of the long slow draws (did I mention to draw slowly?) Be an Olympian zombie and draw for over 20 seconds. Hardest part is keeping your drooling saliva from dripping out of your mouth during the long and tasty draws -- hmmm, had that problem in several situations unrelated to vaping.

Long term FC members probably feel like it's deja vu all over again: Fun reading through posts from '08-'10 in SSV, DBV, HA threads. People complaining how they burn through material because the bowl is large or because they enjoy the vapor density with large loads. Then others chime in about discovering fabulous efficiency with the Purple Days log vape. Cue Twilight Zone music.

Go ahead and use it handheld. Not hard to keep it vertical. Walk around, hand it to girlfriend, relax, just keep it vertical. Oh, one more thing: Slow down your draw.