Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
Well I guess you technically don't have to feel stupid BUT I will say it again they have and do give out false information. I know because they personally gave me information I KNEW was false. You however can believe what ya want.
S&B will honor the warranty on all official products regardless of where it was purchased at. I got a crafty of craigslist and they covored it! Your good.
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UnshavenFish
Well-Known Member
Problem is in the UK the stuff costs £30 for 500ml
and I can get a litre of 99.7% (minimum) ISO for £10 (from a local computer shop) so double the amount for a third of the price.Your method is good but for me soaking is easier down to the amount of vapes and parts I have to clean, and for me its easier/quicker (maybe not in total time spent as some things I soak for days at a time but the amount of time I spend physically cleaning is less)
Maybe a pic could help
Could be a few things going on here...
First 7 and 8 are not far away from eachother on the keyboard could be a mistake
The other thing is...it was a return from the UK to Germany, maybe the German S&B (being the main one) has newer stock that has not made it to the US yet
justcametomind
Well-Known Member
I'm having the overheating issue abuilt l.
The reason is a D020D has arrived and I'm hooking the Crafty to it every time I vape.
That way I can draw harder than I ever did and it also stops working when it's too much, not even charging (red+blue alarm).
This is the way it's built and I'm not worried, I don't know if yours perform the same.
S & B in US is a subsidiary of S & B Germany,
...Just sell what the Germans send them
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
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Couldn't you use vapinmofo's q-tip method, let the ISO evaporate completely, and then just pinch off the cotton tip which you'd then vape for all the goodies?
All the goodies without all the soaking work.
justcametomind
Well-Known Member
The fake units are shown on sb site iirc
BacktoCali
New Member
I have an operational question. How long does a session last for most folks? Trying to figure out how many tokes/time until diminishing returns. I like the first cut.
skyvaper
Well-Known Member
There are many variables including material, temp, pack size, draw strength. To give even more perspective we could have the same material and same pack size but vastly different session times.
BioSector
Well-Known Member
Cross post from Mighty thread as it applies to both units in my case:
Anyone notice a difference between older cooling units and those received recently?
When my Mighty came back from service a few weeks ago, I noticed something different about the cooling unit it came with compared to my others (original and a couple from wear and tear kits). Nothing visually different, but if you cover the screen with your thumb and try to draw through the older cooling units, it is airtight.
With the new one, I noticed it still allowed air in. Very little, but it wasn't airtight. I assumed a manufacturing problem, or maybe oring and set it aside. A few days later a standalone Crafty cooling unit arrived that I had ordered. It exhibited the same behavior.
I tried to get them airtight by taking them apart, ensuring o rings were good, etc. but no dice. It appears that a very small amount of air is getting in somewhere around the locking mechanism (hologram). I put both aside and thought I'd test them once all my others were dirty.
Used them the last couple days and now I wonder if this wasn't an intentional design change. It makes the airflow even less restricted when using it with the base and doesn't seem to change the volume or quality of clouds it produces. I think it might cause an issue connected to a large water piece though.. may not be able to get a good enough seal to milk a bigger piece maybe?
Anyway, anyone else notice this with newer cooling units?
Anyone notice a difference between older cooling units and those received recently?
When my Mighty came back from service a few weeks ago, I noticed something different about the cooling unit it came with compared to my others (original and a couple from wear and tear kits). Nothing visually different, but if you cover the screen with your thumb and try to draw through the older cooling units, it is airtight.
With the new one, I noticed it still allowed air in. Very little, but it wasn't airtight. I assumed a manufacturing problem, or maybe oring and set it aside. A few days later a standalone Crafty cooling unit arrived that I had ordered. It exhibited the same behavior.
I tried to get them airtight by taking them apart, ensuring o rings were good, etc. but no dice. It appears that a very small amount of air is getting in somewhere around the locking mechanism (hologram). I put both aside and thought I'd test them once all my others were dirty.
Used them the last couple days and now I wonder if this wasn't an intentional design change. It makes the airflow even less restricted when using it with the base and doesn't seem to change the volume or quality of clouds it produces. I think it might cause an issue connected to a large water piece though.. may not be able to get a good enough seal to milk a bigger piece maybe?
Anyway, anyone else notice this with newer cooling units?
Marky
Active Member
I received my mighty yesterday morning. After using it all day for 2 days I can say that in my experience, the mighty performs better than the crafty. I love the crafty and I am not putting it down in any way because it's the best vape I've used (and ive used a lot), but the vapor production is more with the mighty hit for hit than the crafty. I tested them again today side by side and the I exhaled more vapor with the mighty than crafty while both were fully charged and packed identically. I even took a 3 sec draw from the mighty and a 6 sec draw on the crafty and the mighty still produced a little more vapor than the crafty. I love them both and will use them both in certain situations but I wanted to list my experience since I read many people say both units perform the same. I'm not calling anyone a liar but my experience is a bit different and I did my best to test them under identical conditions.
I can't say why this is but I can only guess it's due to more power to the heater from the extra battery (the mighty heats much faster and holds its heat a bit better than the crafty although I have no issues with the crafty holding heat) and the cu is larger and it can hold more quantity of vapor than the crafty. I also notice the mighty has more of a draw resistance. It's not much but it's not free flow like the crafty is. I feel that restriction could produce more vapor.
With that said, the effect I feel is pretty damn even. I can't say with confidence that the mighty gets me more lit than the crafty. They both do a great job and no other vape has gotten me to this level. I have to use them both for a bit longer to be able to say if one has a better effect than the other but so far I'd say it's even in effect.
Here's a pic of my units charging last night...
-Mark
It's funny you mention this. I thought the exact thing. Except, my mighty cu is airtight when I block the mesh with my thumb and my crafty cu allows air still. My crafty is 3 weeks old and my mighty is 2 days old so I'm sure I have the newest cu's available.
However, I have a crafty wear and tear set with a new cu for it and you just made me try it on that. To my surprise, the new cu for the crafty is airtight! This must mean not every cu is made equally. I think we need to inform SB of this since it's clearly a production issue.
-Mark
I can't say why this is but I can only guess it's due to more power to the heater from the extra battery (the mighty heats much faster and holds its heat a bit better than the crafty although I have no issues with the crafty holding heat) and the cu is larger and it can hold more quantity of vapor than the crafty. I also notice the mighty has more of a draw resistance. It's not much but it's not free flow like the crafty is. I feel that restriction could produce more vapor.
With that said, the effect I feel is pretty damn even. I can't say with confidence that the mighty gets me more lit than the crafty. They both do a great job and no other vape has gotten me to this level. I have to use them both for a bit longer to be able to say if one has a better effect than the other but so far I'd say it's even in effect.
Here's a pic of my units charging last night...
-Mark
It's funny you mention this. I thought the exact thing. Except, my mighty cu is airtight when I block the mesh with my thumb and my crafty cu allows air still. My crafty is 3 weeks old and my mighty is 2 days old so I'm sure I have the newest cu's available.
However, I have a crafty wear and tear set with a new cu for it and you just made me try it on that. To my surprise, the new cu for the crafty is airtight! This must mean not every cu is made equally. I think we need to inform SB of this since it's clearly a production issue.
-Mark
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skeletor
Active Member
Hey all -- so regarding those leaky cooling units:
I've been a longtime lurker here since May when I got my Crafty. It became my one and only daily device and I gave up smoking right around Memorial Day. Since then, Crafty has had a lot of wear and tear -- 80+ hours on a 2.07 firmware. SN in the very low 17000's.
Yesterday, I was in a rush to leave the house and didn't want to clean my very sticky cooling unit and barely-hanging-on screen. So, I reached in my drawer and pulled out the wear and tear kit and extra cooling unit I bought a week after I bought the Crafty. I took one draw and went "DAMN! THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PULL."
Yep. The cooling unit that shipped with the crafty exhibits the leakiness, but the one I bought with the wear and tear kit doesn't.
Here's a quick check for those of you with leaky cooling units:
Take your CU apart. Look at the "bottom" of your CU (the part the screen goes in, and that has the "clean inside regularly" stamped on it). Face the screen and the clean regularly stamp away from you, and look down into the half moon of recessed plastic at the top. You'll see two little plastic divits that are perfectly round.
On one of my CU's (the one that shipped with the unit), the little divit on the left is punched out, and thus air flows in and out of the hole.
On the other CU, both divits are present but INTACT and not punched out.
It's *really easy* to figure out what your situation is with a paper clip that has been straightened out - but tough to see with the naked eye because no light gets into the hole.
It seems weird that S & B machined the CU's to have these divits -- almost if they wanted to have the option to knock them out if there were complaints about draw resistance (and for my part, I'll say I prefer the slight leakage over aggravating my TMJ by drawing on the plugged CU).
By the same token, I'm wondering, "Were both holes plugged originally, and then the original CU just broke with time?"
I am also fairly convinced that the CU that shipped with the 2.07 Crafty was "newer" in manufacture than the wear and tear kit, because the wear and tear kit shipped with the old, far more brittle blue o-rings. -- though the CU was built with the light blue rings... I feel like I might have ended up with a repair kit put together during a warehouse stock transition...
Can anyone else confirm they're seeing the same thing? The easy way to tell (because no light gets in the hole) is to poke both of those round divits with a paperclip and see if it goes in. If it goes in, you've found your leak.
I've been a longtime lurker here since May when I got my Crafty. It became my one and only daily device and I gave up smoking right around Memorial Day. Since then, Crafty has had a lot of wear and tear -- 80+ hours on a 2.07 firmware. SN in the very low 17000's.
Yesterday, I was in a rush to leave the house and didn't want to clean my very sticky cooling unit and barely-hanging-on screen. So, I reached in my drawer and pulled out the wear and tear kit and extra cooling unit I bought a week after I bought the Crafty. I took one draw and went "DAMN! THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PULL."
Yep. The cooling unit that shipped with the crafty exhibits the leakiness, but the one I bought with the wear and tear kit doesn't.
Here's a quick check for those of you with leaky cooling units:
Take your CU apart. Look at the "bottom" of your CU (the part the screen goes in, and that has the "clean inside regularly" stamped on it). Face the screen and the clean regularly stamp away from you, and look down into the half moon of recessed plastic at the top. You'll see two little plastic divits that are perfectly round.
On one of my CU's (the one that shipped with the unit), the little divit on the left is punched out, and thus air flows in and out of the hole.
On the other CU, both divits are present but INTACT and not punched out.
It's *really easy* to figure out what your situation is with a paper clip that has been straightened out - but tough to see with the naked eye because no light gets into the hole.
It seems weird that S & B machined the CU's to have these divits -- almost if they wanted to have the option to knock them out if there were complaints about draw resistance (and for my part, I'll say I prefer the slight leakage over aggravating my TMJ by drawing on the plugged CU).
By the same token, I'm wondering, "Were both holes plugged originally, and then the original CU just broke with time?"
I am also fairly convinced that the CU that shipped with the 2.07 Crafty was "newer" in manufacture than the wear and tear kit, because the wear and tear kit shipped with the old, far more brittle blue o-rings. -- though the CU was built with the light blue rings... I feel like I might have ended up with a repair kit put together during a warehouse stock transition...
Can anyone else confirm they're seeing the same thing? The easy way to tell (because no light gets in the hole) is to poke both of those round divits with a paperclip and see if it goes in. If it goes in, you've found your leak.
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BioSector
Well-Known Member
I'll do some checking to see if the air is getting in there on mine. I was thinking hologram as the resistance changed when I was pressing on it but it could have been the underside I was pressing on.
Both work fine, the "leaky" one may even be nicer to pull on honestly.
Both work fine, the "leaky" one may even be nicer to pull on honestly.
skeletor
Active Member
Review my post -- I edited it. Look at both of your CU's and at the piece that with the screen in it. Flip it over screen side down, and see if one of the two divits (little circles) is punched through. One of mine is on one CU, but not the other. Covering the hole plugs the leak.
Thcgos
Vape Addict
I posted the information about how to identify a fake Mighty to the Mighty Thread:
http://fuckcombustion.com/posts/822152/
I have been following this thread from Day 1 and am an early adopter.
The first run Crafty's o-rings were Bright blue, then there were a few people reporting Red O-rings (for a short period of time) and then it seemed they transitioned to light blue o-rings from then on.
There are other ways to tell if it is a fake (have a look at my original post). http://fuckcombustion.com/posts/822152/
However, the information that was circulated by S&B was only for Mighty. There hasn't been a confirmed reports of a fake crafty, yet. Not to say it isn't possible, but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Does Massdrop have a return policy? I think it should be fine though (probably an old stock photo).
Anyone on here buy from previous massdrop that can confirm theirs is ok?
JayDay
Newbs
Mine just died on me today.
66 hours #17xxx 2.07
So I charged my Crafty when I woke up and got it before leaving the house. After lunch I decided to do a load in the car, but the Crafty died on me mid load. Tried turning it on again and it said low battery (so i thought maybe i just didnt charge it properly at home) .. And theres some kind of plastic burning taste which was mostly in the CU not the oven.
I tried charging again at the office. First 10-15 seconds was rapid blinking. Then light turned solid meaning the battery is full. Tried another load but it died on me mid session. I tried smelling the usb area and discovered that it also has the burning smell.
Ive read all the pages on here, well maybe cruiesd on some, but ive never read a burning smell on the crafty. Im pretty sure its busted, but why, I only charged at the places I usually charge.
Should I worry about warranty? My local headshop is willing to do it for me, but is saying thay they have to write the issue first.
.. Ive to use my 20" roor now
66 hours #17xxx 2.07
So I charged my Crafty when I woke up and got it before leaving the house. After lunch I decided to do a load in the car, but the Crafty died on me mid load. Tried turning it on again and it said low battery (so i thought maybe i just didnt charge it properly at home) .. And theres some kind of plastic burning taste which was mostly in the CU not the oven.
I tried charging again at the office. First 10-15 seconds was rapid blinking. Then light turned solid meaning the battery is full. Tried another load but it died on me mid session. I tried smelling the usb area and discovered that it also has the burning smell.
Ive read all the pages on here, well maybe cruiesd on some, but ive never read a burning smell on the crafty. Im pretty sure its busted, but why, I only charged at the places I usually charge.
Should I worry about warranty? My local headshop is willing to do it for me, but is saying thay they have to write the issue first.
.. Ive to use my 20" roor now
BioSector
Well-Known Member
Nice find. I'm at work now but I'll take a paper clip to the CUs tonight.
justcametomind
Well-Known Member
15 minutes of ISO soak is all it takes to me. I just disassemble the CU, leaving rings and screen in place, and soak.
Only issue I had, ISO gets saturated with oils after 10+ washes and since I didn't realized it, for some days I was actually dirtying the CU, not cleaning it.
I have 2 jars full of dark ISO waiting me to experiment on some qwiso.
Marky
Active Member
Wow! My crafty cu that is leaking even with good o rings has a hole where you described! This is def where the leak is coming from. I am going to push SB to send me a new cu. This is not acceptable. Thank you for your observation! Good eyes!
Here's a pic of the cu with the hole (to the left).
-Mark